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Radiator is back in place, still hoses to hook up. Removed the oil cooler adapter and steel lines, the adapter retaining bolt was only finger tight. Explains how dirty the engine is back there.

Big question for you folks, were the trans cooler tubes originally all metal? One is metal, the other had a piece of hose clamped to the tubing right behind the radiator. Both ends of that tube had flares, but no nuts so I'm thinking somebody cut out a section and flared the cut ends to give a better seal on the hose. A new steel line from the radiator to the cut end, and a compression fitting to join the two should do it. The cooler pressure is low enough, a compression fitting should be fine.

Pulled the heater hoses and capped the engine fittings for now. The coach has the lines running back to the water heater, not sure if I'll bother with those since the seller said the hot water heater is disconnected as it leaked. Doubt that many new heaters have a coolant fed preheater. Repaired some 12v ignition wiring, tried to make some sense out of the vacuum hoses. That's going to be a job for later, the ones that are left are all connected, empty connectors are capped off.

Still have to replace the air pressure switch, it sat right where the bolts go to hold the radiator saddle and didn't look healthy. The placement of the switch is really odd, can't imagine why the mounting bracket is welded in place when there's no room to rotate the switch to thread it into the fitting. The plan is to use a 90° fitting to swing it to the driver's side.

All in all, a productive day. Still couldn't run the engine for long, but did put it in gear and feel the trans engage. With luck, next week it moves under it's own power.

Thanks again for everybody's input!

John


John in Omaha, Nebraska 74 26' Sequoia
Re: Reassembling [message #307041 is a reply to message #307038] Mon, 12 September 2016 11:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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John

Yes, the original transmission cooler lines were all metal.

Instead of working on the pressure switch you could install Schrader valves in each airbag and direct inflate them for the drive home.

Dennis

rootesrefuge wrote on Mon, 12 September 2016 10:54
Radiator is back in place, still hoses to hook up. Removed the oil cooler adapter and steel lines, the adapter retaining bolt was only finger tight. Explains how dirty the engine is back there.

Big question for you folks, were the trans cooler tubes originally all metal? One is metal, the other had a piece of hose clamped to the tubing right behind the radiator. Both ends of that tube had flares, but no nuts so I'm thinking somebody cut out a section and flared the cut ends to give a better seal on the hose. A new steel line from the radiator to the cut end, and a compression fitting to join the two should do it. The cooler pressure is low enough, a compression fitting should be fine.

Pulled the heater hoses and capped the engine fittings for now. The coach has the lines running back to the water heater, not sure if I'll bother with those since the seller said the hot water heater is disconnected as it leaked. Doubt that many new heaters have a coolant fed preheater. Repaired some 12v ignition wiring, tried to make some sense out of the vacuum hoses. That's going to be a job for later, the ones that are left are all connected, empty connectors are capped off.

Still have to replace the air pressure switch, it sat right where the bolts go to hold the radiator saddle and didn't look healthy. The placement of the switch is really odd, can't imagine why the mounting bracket is welded in place when there's no room to rotate the switch to thread it into the fitting. The plan is to use a 90° fitting to swing it to the driver's side.

All in all, a productive day. Still couldn't run the engine for long, but did put it in gear and feel the trans engage. With luck, next week it moves under it's own power.

Thanks again for everybody's input!

John



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Re: Reassembling [message #307046 is a reply to message #307041] Mon, 12 September 2016 12:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Depending upon the model of water heater, modern ones do come with the engine hot water heating option. Still used in many applications. Major leaks in the water heater area may be a result of water standing inside the water heater and expanding in your brisk Nebraska winters. Ice can split the tank.
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Re: [GMCnet] Reassembling [message #307047 is a reply to message #307038] Mon, 12 September 2016 12:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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John,
They all came with full steel lines from the factory.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 8:54 AM, J Artz wrote:

> Radiator is back in place, still hoses to hook up. Removed the oil cooler
> adapter and steel lines, the adapter retaining bolt was only finger tight.
> Explains how dirty the engine is back there.
>
> Big question for you folks, were the trans cooler tubes originally all
> metal? One is metal, the other had a piece of hose clamped to the tubing
> right
> behind the radiator. Both ends of that tube had flares, but no nuts so
> I'm thinking somebody cut out a section and flared the cut ends to give a
> better seal on the hose. A new steel line from the radiator to the cut
> end, and a compression fitting to join the two should do it. The cooler
> pressure is low enough, a compression fitting should be fine.
>
> Pulled the heater hoses and capped the engine fittings for now. The coach
> has the lines running back to the water heater, not sure if I'll bother with
> those since the seller said the hot water heater is disconnected as it
> leaked. Doubt that many new heaters have a coolant fed preheater. Repaired
> some
> 12v ignition wiring, tried to make some sense out of the vacuum hoses.
> That's going to be a job for later, the ones that are left are all
> connected,
> empty connectors are capped off.
>
> Still have to replace the air pressure switch, it sat right where the
> bolts go to hold the radiator saddle and didn't look healthy. The placement
> of
> the switch is really odd, can't imagine why the mounting bracket is welded
> in place when there's no room to rotate the switch to thread it into the
> fitting. The plan is to use a 90° fitting to swing it to the driver's side.
>
> All in all, a productive day. Still couldn't run the engine for long, but
> did put it in gear and feel the trans engage. With luck, next week it moves
> under it's own power.
>
> Thanks again for everybody's input!
>
> John
>
> --
> John in Omaha
> 74 26' Sequoia
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Re: Reassembling [message #307051 is a reply to message #307038] Mon, 12 September 2016 13:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks, I figured they probably should be metal, even if only for a little extra cooling from being exposed to airflow under the coach. I'll pick up a piece of 5/16" steel tubing before heading down there again.

Thought of another question - how repairable are seam leaks on these fuel tanks? The seller removed the main tank because it was leaking at the side seam, but still has the tank. Don't know which route would be more cost effective, having the old one repaired or trying to find a used tank....


John


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Re: [GMCnet] Reassembling [message #307056 is a reply to message #307051] Mon, 12 September 2016 15:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It would be best if you upsize the lines from 5/16 to 3/8 inch tubing. This has been done by a lot of us, including me on all the coaches that I owned or own.
You can get the adapters for the transmission end from Jim K. and they are not expensive and the radiator end will take a 3/8 inch tubing fitting when you take the adapter out.

JR Wright
Michigan
> On Sep 12, 2016, at 2:42 PM, J Artz wrote:
>
> Thanks, I figured they probably should be metal, even if only for a little extra cooling from being exposed to airflow under the coach. I'll pick up a
> piece of 5/16" steel tubing before heading down there again.
>
> Thought of another question - how repairable are seam leaks on these fuel tanks? The seller removed the main tank because it was leaking at the side
> seam, but still has the tank. Don't know which route would be more cost effective, having the old one repaired or trying to find a used tank....
>
>
> John
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Re: Reassembling [message #307061 is a reply to message #307038] Mon, 12 September 2016 17:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I do not like the heater lines being capped. I believe that you still need the coolant flowing from the back of the engine to keep the manifold and heads cooled. I would run a hose between the two ports instead of capping them.

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Re: [GMCnet] Reassembling [message #307070 is a reply to message #307051] Mon, 12 September 2016 19:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would have a good welding shop braze the ends by filling the tank with
water to avoid explosion of the gas fumes.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 11:42 AM, J Artz wrote:

> Thanks, I figured they probably should be metal, even if only for a little
> extra cooling from being exposed to airflow under the coach. I'll pick up a
> piece of 5/16" steel tubing before heading down there again.
>
> Thought of another question - how repairable are seam leaks on these fuel
> tanks? The seller removed the main tank because it was leaking at the side
> seam, but still has the tank. Don't know which route would be more cost
> effective, having the old one repaired or trying to find a used tank....
>
>
> John
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Re: [GMCnet] Reassembling [message #307076 is a reply to message #307070] Mon, 12 September 2016 22:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I've not had very good luck with water in a tank while welding. There are small air pockets that can make for a REALLY BAD day. I hate to do tanks but if absolutely necessary I'll purge the tank with CO2 before, and during the welding process. In fact, I'll run the CO2 for a good 15 minutes before starting. Once you've had one blow up in your face you'll always be a little gun shy.
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Re: [GMCnet] Reassembling [message #307082 is a reply to message #307051] Tue, 13 September 2016 01:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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John,

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the radiator is grounded to the engine via the transmission oil cooler lines

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-----Original Message-----
From: J Artz

Thanks, I figured they probably should be metal, even if only for a little extra cooling from being exposed to airflow under the
coach. I'll pick up a piece of 5/16" steel tubing before heading down there again.

Thought of another question - how repairable are seam leaks on these fuel tanks? The seller removed the main tank because it was
leaking at the side seam, but still has the tank. Don't know which route would be more cost effective, having the old one repaired
or trying to find a used tank....

John


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Re: Reassembling [message #307088 is a reply to message #307051] Tue, 13 September 2016 11:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you look in the tank, and you feel your only problem is the outside edges/seams. I would not hesitate to use the por-15 gas tank kit. You can easily rotate the tank around and get the por-15 to seal up the outside edges. It is a process, but it should work well if it just the seams leaking.

if the whole inside of the tank is rotted, then I would believe that method would not work well due to trying to get the por-15 in contact with all surfaces short of cutting open the tank.

there are places that refurbish tanks, but that is costly, and is getting up there with the price of new tanks.

https://www.amazon.com/POR-15-49239-Auto-Fuel-Repair/dp/B000H9K4K0/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1473782908&sr=8-4&keywords=por-15+gas+tank+seale r




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Re: Reassembling [message #307089 is a reply to message #307038] Tue, 13 September 2016 11:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Didn't somebody - maybe Manny - have some new tanks made a while back?

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Re: [GMCnet] Reassembling [message #307090 is a reply to message #307082] Tue, 13 September 2016 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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USAussie wrote on Mon, 12 September 2016 23:42
John,

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the radiator is grounded to the engine via the transmission oil cooler lines

Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426



...Or the braised stainless steel engine oil cooler lines (if you have them).


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Re: [GMCnet] Reassembling [message #307091 is a reply to message #307090] Tue, 13 September 2016 11:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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some larger industrial radiator shops also repair gas tanks. If there is
one in your area that re cores radiators for heavy equipment you might
inquire there for your tank seam repair.

sully
77 eleganza 2
seattle

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Carl Stouffer wrote:

> USAussie wrote on Mon, 12 September 2016 23:42
>> John,
>>
>> I'm surprised no one has mentioned that the radiator is grounded to the
> engine via the transmission oil cooler lines
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> USAussie - Downunder
>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> ...Or the braised stainless steel engine oil cooler lines (if you have
> them).
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Re: Reassembling [message #307099 is a reply to message #307061] Tue, 13 September 2016 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is just temporary, it'll only stay this way for 100 miles or so. Once it's here, I can deal with checking the heater core and replacing the hoses. Back in the 60s when you could order cars without heaters, the engine fittings were left off and threaded plugs fitted.


Ken Burton wrote on Mon, 12 September 2016 17:01
I do not like the heater lines being capped. I believe that you still need the coolant flowing from the back of the engine to keep the manifold and heads cooled. I would run a hose between the two ports instead of capping them.



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Re: [GMCnet] Reassembling [message #307100 is a reply to message #307091] Tue, 13 September 2016 16:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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sgltrac wrote on Tue, 13 September 2016 11:41
some larger industrial radiator shops also repair gas tanks. If there is
one in your area that re cores radiators for heavy equipment you might
inquire there for your tank seam repair.

sully
77 eleganza 2



The shop that did the radiator recore also does gas tanks, so once the coach and the tank are both here I'll get an estimate. Not sure if the tanks are unique to the motorhome chassis or if they used an existing tank.

My biggest fear is about the fuel fill pipe. When the main (rear) tank was removed, I hope they didn't do anything permanent to the fill pipe.


John in Omaha, Nebraska 74 26' Sequoia
Re: Reassembling [message #307101 is a reply to message #307038] Tue, 13 September 2016 16:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I believe the tanks are unique to the vehicle. Any good welding shop ought to be able to duplicate the fill pipe without a lot of trouble.

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rootesrefuge wrote on Mon, 12 September 2016 12:42
Thanks, I figured they probably should be metal, even if only for a little extra cooling from being exposed to airflow under the coach. I'll pick up a piece of 5/16" steel tubing before heading down there again.

Thought of another question - how repairable are seam leaks on these fuel tanks? The seller removed the main tank because it was leaking at the side seam, but still has the tank. Don't know which route would be more cost effective, having the old one repaired or trying to find a used tank....


John

If you are only trying to get it home you can do a quick temporary fix with a bar of Ivory soap. Just rub it into the bad spot and it'll stop the leak. May sound crazy but it works, I've done it before for a quick temp solution. Hal


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Re: [GMCnet] Reassembling [message #307103 is a reply to message #307102] Tue, 13 September 2016 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My biggest fear is about the fuel fill pipe. When the main (rear) tank was
removed, I hope they didn't do anything permanent to the fill pipe.

What happened to the fill pipe? I thought you just had a weeping seam.

Manny made a bunch of fuel cells. 50 gallon single tanks for the diesel.

Sully
77 eleganza 2
Seattle

On Tuesday, September 13, 2016, Hal StClair
wrote:

> rootesrefuge wrote on Mon, 12 September 2016 12:42
>> Thanks, I figured they probably should be metal, even if only for a
> little extra cooling from being exposed to airflow under the coach. I'll
> pick
>> up a piece of 5/16" steel tubing before heading down there again.
>>
>> Thought of another question - how repairable are seam leaks on these
> fuel tanks? The seller removed the main tank because it was leaking at the
>> side seam, but still has the tank. Don't know which route would be more
> cost effective, having the old one repaired or trying to find a used
>> tank....
>>
>>
>> John
>
> If you are only trying to get it home you can do a quick temporary fix
> with a bar of Ivory soap. Just rub it into the bad spot and it'll stop the
> leak. May sound crazy but it works, I've done it before for a quick temp
> solution. Hal
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>
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sgltrac wrote on Tue, 13 September 2016 17:00
My biggest fear is about the fuel fill pipe. When the main (rear) tank was
removed, I hope they didn't do anything permanent to the fill pipe.

What happened to the fill pipe? I thought you just had a weeping seam.

Manny made a bunch of fuel cells. 50 gallon single tanks for the diesel.

Sully
77 eleganza 2
Seattle




The previous owner removed the leaky tank and ran with just the one. I don't know yet how they plugged, capped, or sealed where the fill tube attached to the main tank. Hopefully nothing that can't be undone, I'd like to put the tank back in.



John in Omaha, Nebraska 74 26' Sequoia
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