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| Introduction [message #306368] |
Fri, 02 September 2016 10:50  |
rootesrefuge
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Hello all,
New to the group, having just bought a 1974 Sequoia. Already contacted the registry and it's new to the list, so another survivor is now registered!
Still working on getting it home, as the radiator leaked like a sieve. Freshly recored radiator is now waiting to be installed. The coach is about 100 miles away, so towing would be a very expensive option. I think the radiator will be enough to get it home, where I can more easily tend to getting it back in shape.
I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions as it comes together, and look forward to being part of the group!
Best regards,
John A
Omaha, NE
John in Omaha, Nebraska
74 26' Sequoia
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| Re: [GMCnet] Introduction [message #306369 is a reply to message #306368] |
Fri, 02 September 2016 10:57  |
emerystora
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If you can bring lots of water with you and stop frequently to fill the radiator you might be all right.
Loosen the radiator cap so that it cannot build up pressure and that will lessen the leakage.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Sep 2, 2016, at 9:50 AM, J Artz wrote:
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> Hello all,
>
> New to the group, having just bought a 1974 Sequoia. Already contacted the registry and it's new to the list, so another survivor is now registered!
>
> Still working on getting it home, as the radiator leaked like a sieve. Freshly recored radiator is now waiting to be installed. The coach is about 100
> miles away, so towing would be a very expensive option. I think the radiator will be enough to get it home, where I can more easily tend to getting it
> back in shape.
>
> I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions as it comes together, and look forward to being part of the group!
>
> Best regards,
> John A
> Omaha, NE
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| Re: [GMCnet] Introduction [message #306371 is a reply to message #306369] |
Fri, 02 September 2016 11:08 |
Kingsley Coach
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...what Emery said and add the water with the engine running, not turned
off .
Mike in NS
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
> If you can bring lots of water with you and stop frequently to fill the
> radiator you might be all right.
> Loosen the radiator cap so that it cannot build up pressure and that will
> lessen the leakage.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 9:50 AM, J Artz wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> New to the group, having just bought a 1974 Sequoia. Already contacted
> the registry and it's new to the list, so another survivor is now
> registered!
>>
>> Still working on getting it home, as the radiator leaked like a sieve.
> Freshly recored radiator is now waiting to be installed. The coach is about
> 100
>> miles away, so towing would be a very expensive option. I think the
> radiator will be enough to get it home, where I can more easily tend to
> getting it
>> back in shape.
>>
>> I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions as it comes together, and look
> forward to being part of the group!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> John A
>> Omaha, NE
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Introduction [message #306372 is a reply to message #306371] |
Fri, 02 September 2016 11:09 |
Kingsley Coach
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Oh, and welcome aboard !
Mike in NS
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Kingsley Coach
wrote:
> ...what Emery said and add the water with the engine running, not turned
> off .
>
> Mike in NS
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
>
>> If you can bring lots of water with you and stop frequently to fill the
>> radiator you might be all right.
>> Loosen the radiator cap so that it cannot build up pressure and that will
>> lessen the leakage.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
>>
>>> On Sep 2, 2016, at 9:50 AM, J Artz wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> New to the group, having just bought a 1974 Sequoia. Already contacted
>> the registry and it's new to the list, so another survivor is now
>> registered!
>>>
>>> Still working on getting it home, as the radiator leaked like a sieve.
>> Freshly recored radiator is now waiting to be installed. The coach is about
>> 100
>>> miles away, so towing would be a very expensive option. I think the
>> radiator will be enough to get it home, where I can more easily tend to
>> getting it
>>> back in shape.
>>>
>>> I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions as it comes together, and look
>> forward to being part of the group!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> John A
>>> Omaha, NE
>>>
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> 1977 Kingsley 26-11
> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
> Antigonish, NS
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> Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
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| Re: Introduction [message #306375 is a reply to message #306368] |
Fri, 02 September 2016 11:35 |
77Royale
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Welcome, Probably goes without saying, but if your elbows deep already might want to replace the hoses, and Tstat and put a new rad cap on for good measure.
If not already done by the PO, or if you have the original temp gauge still, a Napa temp sender. TS6469.
Safe and uneventful travels to you....
77 Royale, Rear Dry Bath. 403, 3.55 Final Drive, Lenzi goodies, Patterson carb and dizzy.
Mid Michigan
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| Re: Introduction [message #306376 is a reply to message #306368] |
Fri, 02 September 2016 11:35 |
jhbridges
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Take your Dremel or cutoff wheel and cut the radiator frame an inch or so above the bottom. Drop the radiator out. Drill the frame halves on each side and bolt flat hinges across the cuts. Drive the pins put, put the recored radiator in, and replace the bottom of the frame using either bolts or the hinge pins. Be sure the mounts for the radiator are in good shape, or get new ones. (The rubber parts)
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Introduction [message #306378 is a reply to message #306376] |
Fri, 02 September 2016 11:54 |
James Hupy
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The Olds engine with a cross flow radiator does NOT LIKE no pressure in the
cooling system. You are on the correct track with a re-cored radiator.
Always fit new hoses, clamps, and belts, and don't forget a new 9 pound
pressure cap while you are at it. They are kind of a bugger to get totally
full. Be sure your coolant overflow tank and hose is in good shape too.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Sep 2, 2016 9:36 AM, "Johnny Bridges via Gmclist" <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Take your Dremel or cutoff wheel and cut the radiator frame an inch or so
> above the bottom. Drop the radiator out. Drill the frame halves on each
> sine and bolt flat hinges across the cuts. Drive the pins put, put the
> recored radiator in, and replace the bottom of the frame using either bolts
> or
> the hinge pins. Be sure the mounts for the radiator are in good shape, or
> get new ones. (The rubber parts)
>
> --johnny
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> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and
> add - ons.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Introduction [message #306380 is a reply to message #306373] |
Fri, 02 September 2016 11:59 |
jimk
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John,
Get hold of Wally Anderson in Omaha.
He will be a great contact for you to help you and get familiar with your
new acquired coach.
Call me and I will give you his phone #
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 9:22 AM, J Artz wrote:
> I was hoping that at first, but the water was running out as fast as it
> was poured in. The previous owner is okay with me fixing it on site, so I
> pulled the radiator a couple weekends ago to get it recored. Got it back
> this week but can't get down there this weekend, so planning on next. Got my
> fingers crossed!
>
> John in NE
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| Re: Introduction [message #306386 is a reply to message #306373] |
Fri, 02 September 2016 13:40 |
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Matt Colie
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John,
Welcome to the group, family, cult, asylum.....
The radiator was a good move. Getting a hold of Wally will be another good move.
Did you download a copy of the Black's list (aka GMC Assist list)? A good thing to have even for just 100 miles. If she has been sitting long, have a line of tires. Lots of us have old 16.5s to lend, but you make it even if they are old.
If you don't have all the service manuals, they can be downloaded at Bdub's. Be sure to collect X7425 as there are some differences with 73&4 that are not common to later. You did not say if it is a 23 or 26.
When you get her traveling and you can join in, then the real fun starts. You found your way here and that is a good start. There is a considerable Facebook group to, but I will caution you about the technical advice there. There are people here that tell you more accidentally. This is a great group of helping and supportive people. (Notice we already volunteered Wally Anderson - look him up in the Black list if he doesn't call you first.) We have some great stories that you can hear at any rally. Get to one as soon as you are able. When you do, you will be welcomed there too. As the only other community I know of that is like this is that of the watermen that are my world, I have taken to welcoming new owners much as any new owner or vessel is welcomed there. So,
May the Good Lord bless this coach and all those that set forth within her.
Welcome John
Matt
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| Re: Introduction [message #306390 is a reply to message #306368] |
Fri, 02 September 2016 16:08 |
Tilerpep
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Welcome aboard!
I have found AAA RV Plus worth having, and would recommend you getting some kind of towing coverage before your attempt to get home. Dollar wise and peace of mind. Reading horror stories of one and two thousand dollar tow bills convinced me early on that was a risk I couldn't stomach or afford. A three mile tow home this summer after a failed new parts test drive paid for the three years I have had it. With this plan I can choose anywhere to tow within 100 miles, they will pay for towing beyond that 100 mile range if there is no "qualified shop" - which is always a running debate with a forty year old motorhome, but fairly reasonable to argue once you know the major shops and capable mechanics in a given region. To me, this is where the BlackList comes in - advice where to take it. No one on the BlackList has a front lift wrecker capable of lifting 6,000 lbs and total tow capacity of 15,000 (one guide for what to ask for if you need a wrecker). BlackListers may actually get you going and avoid a tow, but certain situations...
Found out this summer that AAA RV Platinum level (only another $50 or so annual) gives you trip interruption coverage that covers mechanical breakdown away from home that delays you more than 24 hours. Like all insurance, if you need it you are glad you have it. One hotel night and a rental car to go get parts might cost you more than the total annual premium, not just the $50 upgrade.
If you use the "search" function here on the forum front page (good for many topics) you can find plenty of towing insurance discussion on various companies to choose from.
My 2 cents...
1975 Glenbrook, 1978 Royale rear bath
Raleigh, NC
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| Re: Introduction [message #306399 is a reply to message #306368] |
Fri, 02 September 2016 19:22 |
SpookyEng
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Welcome! After my experience on my trip home with our coach I heartily second the advice to get towing coverage. My annual Good Sam coverage paid for itself (by a factor of 5) on the second day I owned the coach.
JD Lisenby- USAF Ret
1978 Royale-455
MacDash, Manny Tranny, FI-tech, 3.70 etc etc
Navarre, FL
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| Re: Introduction [message #306401 is a reply to message #306368] |
Fri, 02 September 2016 19:36 |
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Bummer. I was just in omaha with my gmc and had dinner with a couple of omaha gmc owners on wednesday. Look up wally, There are some good guys living in your town.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: Introduction [message #306417 is a reply to message #306368] |
Sat, 03 September 2016 00:48 |
George Beckman
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rootesrefuge wrote on Fri, 02 September 2016 08:50Hello all,
N Freshly recored radiator is now waiting to be installed. The coach is about 100 miles away, so towing would be a very expensive option. I think the radiator will be enough to get it home, where I can more easily tend to getting it back in shape.
]
Welcome, John,
I am sure the re-cored radiator will be fine and you will not loose water, though it is a good idea to check it after running a bit. Sounds like you got it out OK and will get it back in fine, as well. Give the hoses a squeeze to make sure they still have some life.
Has it been sitting a long while? Some have had junk in the fuel tanks plug things after running a bit. I drove mine home about 250 miles and am probably lucky as the tires were old. Nice tread, but many here have had trouble with blowouts on DOT dated tires that are more than 8-10 years old.
The main thing is to have fun. Every time you take a GMC out it is an adventure. 99% of the time it is a great adventure. Occasionally things go amuck, but they are simple in many ways and it is always fun to be able to cobble something together to make it home. We have about 70K miles in GMCs and have only been on "the hook" once, and that was my own fault. The transmission was giving signs of trouble and I went to the mountains anyway... well almost to the mountains.
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: Introduction [message #306424 is a reply to message #306368] |
Sat, 03 September 2016 04:02 |
Ken Burton
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This will not help you at this point since you have already pulled the radiator and sent it in to be repaired or re-cored but...
The first time my radiator leaked was at a rally in Louisiana. That is where I met Wally from Omaha. My leak was in the front row and accessible. So I borrowed Emery's towd and went to Home depot for some solder and a heavy duty soldering iron. I was successful in soldering the radiator from the outside and drove it that way for two more years.
On the way to the Harrington Delaware rally, I blew a huge hole in the front of the radiator again. I could not keep water in it for more than a few miles even with the radiator cap loose.
So it was back to Home Depot again. This time solder was not going to do it. So I got plumber's epoxy putty. The stuff that looks like putty that you kneed together to make it harden. I plugged the hole with that stuff and it hardened as soon as the radiator got hot. I removed the cap and cut a slot in the rubber seal that goes in the neck while leaving the top seal alone. Replacing the cap with the slot cut in it sealed the coolant in system but the cut slot in the cap prevented the system from building up pressure. All of the pressurized air, or coolant pushed out of the radiator was routed to the overflow bottle as the engine heated up. When the engine was shut down, the fluid to returned to the radiator like normal. We drove it that way to the rally about 250 miles away. I was prepared to drive it back to Indiana after the rally that way if necessary.
At the rally I got a replacement radiator from Gene Dotson. Emery, Colonel Ken, Rick Denny, and several other GMCers helped me replace the radiator and the previously modified cap.
So my point in this story is to consider cutting the lower rubber seal in the cap to prevent pressure build up, and also consider using plumbers epoxy to plug a major hole from the outside in a leaking radiator.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Introduction [message #306427 is a reply to message #306424] |
Sat, 03 September 2016 04:56 |
Mr ERFisher
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Read here
http://gmcmotorhome.info/radiator.html#REM
On Saturday, September 3, 2016, Ken Burton wrote:
> This will not help you at this point since you have already pulled the
> radiator and sent it in to be repaired or re-cored but...
>
> The first time my radiator leaked was at a rally in Louisiana. That is
> where I met Wally from Omaha. My leak was in the front row and accessible.
> So I borrowed Emery's towd and went to Home depot for some solder and a
> heavy duty soldering iron. I was successful in soldering the radiator from
> the outside and drove it that way for two more years.
>
> On the way to the Harrington Delaware rally, I blew a huge hole in the
> front of the radiator again. I could not keep water in it for more than a
> few
> miles even with the radiator cap loose.
>
> So it was back to Home Depot again. This time solder was not going to do
> it. So I got plumber's epoxy putty. The stuff that looks like putty that
> you kneed together to make it harden. I plugged the hole with that stuff
> and it hardened as soon as the radiator got hot. I removed the cap and cut
> a slot in the rubber seal that goes in the neck while leaving the top seal
> alone. Replacing the cap with the slot cut in it sealed the coolant in
> system but the cut slot in the cap prevented the system from building up
> pressure. All of the pressurized air, or coolant pushed out of the radiator
> was routed to the overflow bottle as the engine heated up. When the
> engine was shut down, the fluid to returned to the radiator like normal. We
> drove it that way to the rally about 250 miles away. I was prepared to
> drive it back to Indiana after the rally that way if necessary.
>
> At the rally I got a replacement radiator from Gene Dotson. Emery,
> Colonel Ken, Rick Denny, and several other GMCers helped me replace the
> radiator
> and the previously modified cap.
>
> So my point in this story is to consider cutting the lower rubber seal in
> the cap to prevent pressure build up, and also consider using plumbers epoxy
> to plug a major hole from the outside in a leaking radiator.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
>
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| Re: Introduction [message #306430 is a reply to message #306368] |
Sat, 03 September 2016 08:11 |
jhbridges
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Brian -
You don't have to cut the radiator frame, but it makes removal/replacement a lot easier, particularly if you're doing it single handedly.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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