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| Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally [message #305412] |
Mon, 15 August 2016 04:43  |
Ken Burton
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I held off announcing this until I had a firm commitment that they would attend.
I got a 9:30 am telephone call confirming that the same company and crew would attend and install GMC windshields at the GMCMI rally in Mansfield Ohio on Oct 1st and 2nd only.
As we have done at the previous rallys, I will do the scheduling and take the reservations. I have no interest in the business end of this and that will be handled by Preferred Glass.
I have room for 16 windshields plus 2 standbys in case one of 16 is a no show. That only happened once in all of the rallys we previous did.
So If you want on the list, get to me now using Private Message or if you are an email user, you have my email address. Use it. I will take reservations in the order that messages are received.
Do not hesitate as we always have more people that want on the list than we have slots for.
If you want to telephone me my unlisted phone number is on the Black list. I am not listing my email or my unlisted phone in the open because the last time someone posted my email address I got flooded with spam and to this day it never completely went away. I had to learn how to filer out junk mail after that incident.
If you telephone me and end up with my recorder, please SPEAK SLOWLY and repeat any numbers twice. I have a hearing loss that makes understanding the recorder difficult.
Final pricing has not been set as he does not have a shipping quote from the supplier's trucking company for shipment to Mansfield. For the people that are on the list, I will give you the pricing information as soon as I get it and you will have the option to back out at that time.
That is about it. PM or email me now if you want on the list. The slots will fill up fast.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally [message #305464 is a reply to message #305412] |
Tue, 16 August 2016 03:47  |
Ken Burton
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Well, I posted the announcement at 4:43 AM. By 9:00 AM I had 7 of the 8 confirmed slots filled. So as of right now I have one confirmed slot and two standby ones available.
Ken B.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally [message #305465 is a reply to message #305464] |
Tue, 16 August 2016 04:09 |
Kimberlea Weeks
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I did announce it on facebook as soon as you mentioned it on the forum.
What is the cost of the windows? kim
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On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 3:47 AM, Ken Burton wrote:
> Well, I posted the announcement at 4:43 AM. By 9:00 AM I had 7 of the 8
> confirmed slots filled. So as of right now I have one confirmed slot and
> two
> standby ones available.
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> Ken B.
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> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally [message #305466 is a reply to message #305465] |
Tue, 16 August 2016 04:49 |
Ken Burton
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The price has yet to be determined. I now have the 8th slot filled so we now know the correct mix of right and left windshields to be ordered. Now he can contact the warehouse and get them to give him a firm quote including shipping. They usually only stock 6 of each in Elkhart so the supplier will probably have to ship some in for one of their other 3 warehouses.
He told me the cost should be about the same as previous rallys.
I will not post pricing on the net because it is not fair to our regular GMC vendors. I also promised a couple of them in the past that I would not post windshield pricing in an open forum like GMCnet.
As soon as I get a firm price from Preferred Glass I will notify the 8 people on the list and any stsndbys via email. I will also give out the price to anyone who PMs or emails me.
All reservations are full at this time but I will still take standbys in case one or more of the reservations cancels or does not make it to the rally.
There is a very slight possibility that they might agree to stay over for a 3rd day. They have never done this in the past at our rallys, but if there were enough standbys, I would ask them to see if they are up to doing that.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally [message #305467 is a reply to message #305466] |
Tue, 16 August 2016 04:59 |
Kimberlea Weeks
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Was wondering for ourselves to have ours replaced.
*Thank you for being a member and supporting the GMC Motorhome lifestyle.*
*Kimberlea Weeks*
VP Administration and Convention Manager
612.501.4600 | f.866.519.0047 | www.gmcmi.com
*GMC Motorhomes International*
1402 So. Cage Blvd | Unit 273 | Pharr | TX 78577-6288
*We invite you to join us at all of our events!*
*GMCMI 2016 Fall Convention*Friday, September 30 to Thursday, October 6
Richland County Fairgrounds | Mansfield, Ohio
*"A Celebration of Vintage Pre-1980 Motorhomes"*
Friday, March 24 to Thursday, March 30, 2017
Heart of Oklahoma Exposition Center, Shawnee, Oklahoma
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 4:49 AM, Ken Burton wrote:
> The price has yet to be determined. I now have the 8th slot filled so we
> now know the correct mix of right and left windshields to be ordered. Now
> he can contact the warehouse and get them to give him a firm quote
> including shipping. They usually only stock 6 of each in Elkhart so the
> supplier
> will probably have to ship some in for one of their other 3 warehouses.
>
> He told me the cost should be about the same as previous rallys.
>
> I will not post pricing on the net because it is not fair to our regular
> GMC vendors. I also promised a couple of them in the past that I would not
> post windshield pricing in an open forum like GMCnet.
>
> As soon as I get a firm price from Preferred Glass I will notify the 8
> people on the list and any stsndbys via email. I will also give out the
> price
> to anyone who PMs or emails me.
>
> All reservations are full at this time but I will still take standbys in
> case one or more of the reservations cancels or does not make it to the
> rally.
>
> There is a very slight possibility that they might agree to stay over for
> a 3rd day. They have never done this in the past at our rallys, but if
> there were enough standbys, I would ask them to see if they are up to
> doing that.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
>
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| Re: Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally [message #305491 is a reply to message #305486] |
Tue, 16 August 2016 22:43 |
rjw
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Larry wrote on Tue, 16 August 2016 21:10I have advised this for the past windshield replacements, so here a' goes again. When you replace your windshields try to be there when the windshields are out. Then take the time to loosen and remove all of the screws that hold the dashboard in place. Clean the threads, put a little white lube on the threads and screw them back in, being careful to just lightly tighten them. These screws can be rusted in and can be nearly impossible to get out should you feel the need to remove the dash. Because of the angle of the installed windshield and the close quarters relative to the dash, cleaning up the screws now while you can get at them will make it a lot easier in the future for you or the next owner to remove them. Don't ask How I know this. Just what I'd do....
I wish I had done that when I had my windshields done by these guys at a GMCMI rally about 4 years ago. However, it seemed like there was little time to do so. They work pretty fast and I work pretty slow. I am very happy with the new windshields and the price I paid. Thanks Ken!
Richard
76 Palm Beach
SE Michigan
www.PalmBeachGMC.com
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| Re: Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally [message #305504 is a reply to message #305491] |
Wed, 17 August 2016 00:30 |
Ken Burton
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rjw wrote on Tue, 16 August 2016 22:43Larry wrote on Tue, 16 August 2016 21:10I have advised this for the past windshield replacements, so here a' goes again. When you replace your windshields try to be there when the windshields are out. Then take the time to loosen and remove all of the screws that hold the dashboard in place. Clean the threads, put a little white lube on the threads and screw them back in, being careful to just lightly tighten them. These screws can be rusted in and can be nearly impossible to get out should you feel the need to remove the dash. Because of the angle of the installed windshield and the close quarters relative to the dash, cleaning up the screws now while you can get at them will make it a lot easier in the future for you or the next owner to remove them. Don't ask How I know this. Just what I'd do....
I wish I had done that when I had my windshields done by these guys at a GMCMI rally about 4 years ago. However, it seemed like there was little time to do so. They work pretty fast and I work pretty slow. I am very happy with the new windshields and the price I paid. Thanks Ken!
I also wish I had done the same thing when Preferred Glass did mine over 10 years ago. I was not smart enough to do it at the time.
I think I would get one of those screw driver tips that have the little grooves in it for removing stubborn screws. I might also use an impact driver on the stubborn ones like we use on Japanese motorcycles. I would also stop by the hardware store and buy a bunch of new STAINLESS screws. Replace the removed ones with stainless. I do not know the size and I am not near my coach to figure it out at the moment. I am guessing that they are #8 but please verify it yourself before buying replacement stainless ones.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally [message #305855 is a reply to message #305849] |
Mon, 22 August 2016 22:34 |
Kosier
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Larry,
On Rob Mueller's recommendation we had the crew of installers seal the edges
of our windshields before installation.
Gary Kosier
77PB w/500Cad
Newark, Ohio
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From: "Larry"
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 10:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally
> I was just out looking at my windshields. They were replaced in 2005...11
> yrs ago. They are beginning to fog around the edges already. IIRC, one
> of
> the things that can prevent the premature fogging of our windshields is to
> somehow seal the edges of the windshields right before installation. I
> wish I had known this 11yrs ago.
>
> My point, if sealing the edges of the windshields will prevent or prolong
> fogging, for those that are going to replace windshields at the Mansfield
> rally, you might consider researching this and get the edges sealed while
> they are still in the shipping crate. Just what I'd do.
> --
> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally [message #305857 is a reply to message #305855] |
Mon, 22 August 2016 23:34 |
Ken Burton
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I saw Eric Tanner painting the edges of his new windshields with something prior to having them installed at the Amana Colonies Rally. I do not know what he painted them with. In ten years we will find out if it did any good.
I have seen many old cars in junk yards with badly fogged windshields. I have been told that it is air getting in between the plies of glass that causes this. Others have said that is moisture, or glass to plastic separation, or prolonged sun exposure. One internet site claims that it is a breakdown of the bond between the plastic and the glass caused by long term UV exposure.
It is interesting that we do not usually see this fogging on the side and rear windows.
I do not to have the answer, but it probably would not hurt to seal the glass edge with something as long as it does not affect the plastic in the middle of the windshield.
I wonder what it should be sealed with?
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally [message #305858 is a reply to message #305412] |
Mon, 22 August 2016 23:42 |
Ken Burton
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We have all of the installation slots reserved and reconfirmed. Tomorrow the windshields will be ordered and set up for shipping to Mansfield. I still can take back up reservations in case one of the reserved coaches does not make it to the rally. I currently have one back up reservation for a right side only windshield.
I'll take additional back reservations from anyone that is interested. Do not get your hopes up because in all of the rallies we have done, only once did we have a no-show coach. That coach never made it to the rally.
Ken B.
Ken Burton - N9KB
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Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally [message #305859 is a reply to message #305857] |
Mon, 22 August 2016 23:45 |
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Ken,
Eric was painting black nail polish on the edges to prevent the fog from forming.
Not sure where he heard it from but he swears by it.
Jared
On Tuesday, August 23, 2016 12:34 AM, Ken Burton wrote:
I saw Eric Tanner painting the edges of his new windshields with something prior to having them installed at the Amana Colonies Rally. I do not know
what he painted them with. In ten years we will find out if it did any good.
I have seen many old cars in junk yards with badly fogged windshields. I have been told that it is air getting in between the plies of glass that
causes this. Others have said that is moisture, or glass to plastic separation, or prolonged sun exposure. One internet site claims that it is a
breakdown of the bond between the plastic and the glass caused by long term UV exposure.
It is interesting that we do not usually see this fogging on the side and rear windows.
I do not to have the answer, but it probably would not hurt to seal the glass edge with something as long as it does not affect the plastic in the
middle of the windshield.
I wonder what it should be sealed with?
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally [message #305862 is a reply to message #305859] |
Tue, 23 August 2016 00:05 |
Ken Burton
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werewilfs wrote on Mon, 22 August 2016 23:45Ken,
Eric was painting black nail polish on the edges to prevent the fog from forming.
Not sure where he heard it from but he swears by it.
Jared
Thanks for the info. I'll look on the web and see if I can find anything on this. I might even call Eric.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally [message #305863 is a reply to message #305857] |
Tue, 23 August 2016 00:01 |
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Ken,
Eric was painting the edges with fingernail polish to seal them. I mentioned it to the installer (also Ken) and he gave me a tin of
sealer that has a little ball connected to the cap (like liquid shoe polish) and told me to coat the edges which I did.
He told me to clean out the seal with 409 followed by lacquer thinner until it was IMMACULATE.
He explained that moisture is what caused the fogging problem and to prevent it the last thing he did was to squirt black RTV
between the windshield and the seal all the way around the outside.
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Burton
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2016 2:34 PM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally
I saw Eric Tanner painting the edges of his new windshields with something prior to having them installed at the Amana Colonies
Rally. I do not know what he painted them with. In ten years we will find out if it did any good.
I have seen many old cars in junk yards with badly fogged windshields. I have been told that it is air getting in between the plies
of glass that causes this. Others have said that is moisture, or glass to plastic separation, or prolonged sun exposure. One
internet site claims that it is a breakdown of the bond between the plastic and the glass caused by long term UV exposure.
It is interesting that we do not usually see this fogging on the side and rear windows.
I do not to have the answer, but it probably would not hurt to seal the glass edge with something as long as it does not affect the
plastic in the middle of the windshield.
I wonder what it should be sealed with?
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally [message #305943 is a reply to message #305412] |
Wed, 24 August 2016 17:17 |
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To Ken Burton and all, windshield fogging is a result of windshield being made of laminated glass.
3 layers, glass, plastic and them layer 3, also glass.When the "bond" fails, the fogging results.
Windshields are made from laminated glass for at least 2 reasons.
1) protects the occupants in case something hits the windshield from the outside.
2) might keep an unrestrained occupant from "going through" the windshield in a crash.
Side and rear windows used to be made out of non-laminated tempered(hardened) glass that would
shatter into small bit when broken. Now with side curtain air bags, the side windows may be laminated safety
glass so the window doesn't end up in small bits in a windows up crash and gives the airbag something to bear
against.
This has somewhat changed the procedures for emergency responders to get into car or people out of cars after a crash.
A spring punch won't result in the window being in bits. The fast way to get through a laminated window is to
break with a hammer and cut it out with a "sawzall" Effective but not elegant or pretty. Ask your local Fire and Rescue
crew about this. They should know and have been trained.
DAVE KING
lurker, wannabe
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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| Re: Windshields at Mansfield GMCMI rally [message #306061 is a reply to message #305412] |
Sun, 28 August 2016 06:23 |
Ken Burton
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Well, Just when I thought I had everything organized for this I got a cancellation note from one of the attendees. He sold his coach.
We had difficulties with the windshield order because 3 of the 4 US warehouses were out of stock with no idea if or when more may be produced and their stock replenished. Another way to say it is they are on back order with no replenishment date specified. We are OK at this time as we have our order firm hold so we are OK for the rally.
Because of this cancellation, we need to call the manufacturer / distributor and possibly change quantities and to see if the changed quantities are available. We also need to change the specs on the shipping containers they are building. (left and right can not go in the same container)
I had one standby person for 2 windshields in case someone canceled, but that person is out the country and I can not contact him. I also have 2 standby people that want right side only, so that will not fit the order we already placed. Also distributor was suppose to build the containers on Monday.
Here is what I decided to do. If there is anyone out there that wants to take this reserved slot for two windshields to be installed at the Mansfield rally on Oct 1 or Oct 2, please contact me by telephone immediately. My phone number is on the Black List in Hebron, IN. If you get my recorder SPEAK SLOWLY and repeat any numbers twice.
If I get a firm order from someone for 2 windshields by 10 AM CDT Monday I'll put you in that vacated reserved slot.
After 10AM CDT we will be calling and changing quantities and specification on the hand built shipping containers.
If someone wants to put this information up on one or more of the splinter GMC group facebook sites, feel free to do so. JUST DO NOT POST MY unlisted phone number. Interested parties can look it up on the Black list.
I do not have or want a facebook ID.
Thank you
Ken Burton
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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