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Another fuel delivery problem? [message #302709] |
Mon, 27 June 2016 14:51 |
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pjburt
Messages: 436 Registered: February 2016 Location: Fresno, California
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I seem to have a fuel problem that is kicking me in the... teeth.
A short history; I bought the coach in Feb 2016. Applied GMC dropped the fuel tanks, cleaned them, replaced all fuel hoses with the good stuff, plus installed an inline canister filter and electric fuel pump by the tanks. Drove it home to Fresno, Ca. (175 mi.). The new electric pump was leaking and Jimk sent me a replacement.
I began to clean up the interior and only drove it about 30 miles with no problems until last Friday. I filled it at Costco and it took 34 gals. two blocks down the road it started sputtering and tried to die when I gave it any gas. It would idle great and start right up when it stalled. No cranking. In fact, once I figured out how to start it cold, it was pump once to set the choke then half a squirt and it would kick right over. This is a stock points distributor.
It would do about 10mph in low, any more than that and it would bog down. when I finally got it back to the shop, I changed the canister filter and the cartridge at the carb. No luck. It would run for about a mile then start acting up again. (Vapor-lock??) Maybe but The old saying if you didn't do it it wasn't done. So, I replaced the points, condenser, coil, cap and rotor. Still no luck. I needed spares anyway.
Went back and checked for blockage in the fuel lines. Clear.
I was sitting in front of the coach contemplating what to do next when I glanced under the coach and the carbon canister was dripping gas. So I blocked the leak and went home to research causes. I decided to check the separator and disassemble the canisters or maybe disconnect them entirely but I don't know that that is what is causing the bogging. It doesn't seem to be running rich.
Today I was under the rig checking my seatbelt reinforcement for Johnny Osburn and noticed the seam on the forward fuel tank is seeping. and they both look like they have been ballooned. The gas cap does not tighten so it is able to vent through there.
I'm fluxomed and need some other brains to set me on the right course. I had hoped to go to Paso for the Rally and I'm thinking I have more than one problem.
Jerry Burt Fresno, CA.
73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands
Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS
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Re: Another fuel delivery problem? [message #302710 is a reply to message #302709] |
Mon, 27 June 2016 15:27 |
lqqkatjon
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You have to many variables in the Mix, just like the thread earlier, you probably need to hook it to a boat gas tank, and make 100% sure you have fuel supply problem, or a carb/engine problem. However you also need to get to the bottom of the fuel leaking at the seam before you start the thing on fire.
6 gallon boat gas tank, with 2 gas stops will get you to Paso Robles. less then 115 miles? Then you can talk about all the fuel supply problems from there and come up with all sorts of more questions.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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Re: [GMCnet] Another fuel delivery problem? [message #302711 is a reply to message #302709] |
Mon, 27 June 2016 15:20 |
Gary Worobec
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Jerry, you could check to see if the rubber O-RING on the cannister fuel filter is OK. Sometimes they get cut when you replace the filter. You may be sucking a bit of air.
> On Jun 27, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Jerry Burt wrote:
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> I seem to have a fuel problem that is kicking me in the... teeth.
> A short history; I bought the coach in Feb 2016. Applied GMC dropped the fuel tanks, cleaned them, replaced all fuel hoses with the good stuff, plus
> installed an inline canister filter and electric fuel pump by the tanks. Drove it home to Fresno, Ca. (175 mi.). The new electric pump was leaking and
> Jimk sent me a replacement.
> I began to clean up the interior and only drove it about 30 miles with no problems until last Friday. I filled it at Costco and it took 34 gals. two
> blocks down the road it started sputtering and tried to die when I gave it any gas. It would idle great and start right up when it stalled. No
> cranking. In fact, once I figured out how to start it cold, it was pump once to set the choke then half a squirt and it would kick right over. This is
> a stock points distributor.
>
> It would do about 10mph in low, any more than that and it would bog down. when I finally got it back to the shop, I changed the canister filter and
> the cartridge at the carb. No luck. It would run for about a mile then start acting up again. (Vapor-lock??) Maybe but The old saying if you didn't do
> it it wasn't done. So, I replaced the points, condenser, coil, cap and rotor. Still no luck. I needed spares anyway.
>
> Went back and checked for blockage in the fuel lines. Clear.
>
> I was sitting in front of the coach contemplating what to do next when I glanced under the coach and the carbon canister was dripping gas. So I
> blocked the leak and went home to research causes. I decided to check the separator and disassemble the canisters or maybe disconnect them entirely
> but I don't know that that is what is causing the bogging. It doesn't seem to be running rich.
>
> Today I was under the rig checking my seatbelt reinforcement for Johnny Osburn and noticed the seam on the forward fuel tank is seeping. and they both
> look like they have been ballooned. The gas cap does not tighten so it is able to vent through there.
>
> I'm fluxomed and need some other brains to set me on the right course. I had hoped to go to Paso for the Rally and I'm thinking I have more than one
> problem.
> --
> Patti & Jerry Burt
> 73 Gmc 26'
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Re: Another fuel delivery problem? [message #302712 is a reply to message #302709] |
Mon, 27 June 2016 15:31 |
tphipps
Messages: 3005 Registered: August 2004 Location: Spanish Fort, AL
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Sounds like a fuel flow problem. Has enough fuel to start and idle, not enough delivered to run. A quick test would be to rig a marine type fuel tank directly to the CARB ants see if it runs that way.
A ballooned tank may mean tank venting problem. Can it be made to run normally with the gas cap loosened?
Tom, MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
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Re: Another fuel delivery problem? [message #302718 is a reply to message #302714] |
Mon, 27 June 2016 16:28 |
Carl S.
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A Hamilto wrote on Mon, 27 June 2016 14:00A Hamilto wrote on Mon, 27 June 2016 15:36Maybe the filter at the carb needs to be replaced. Never mind. I see you changed that.
But a clue is: "I filled it at Costco and it took 34 gals. two blocks down the road it started sputtering and tried to die when I gave it any gas."
You might have water in the tanks from that gas. Figure out a way to get as much of that gas out and put fresh gas (from someplace else) in it.
Not likely. Costco sells a VERY high volume of high quality gas and it is very unlikely that they have water in their tanks. I guess anything is possible though.
I don't know what the gas running out of the charcoal canister might have to do with this, but that shouldn't be happening either. That, and the ballooning of the tanks points to a venting problem of some sort.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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Re: [GMCnet] Another fuel delivery problem? [message #302719 is a reply to message #302716] |
Mon, 27 June 2016 16:29 |
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pjburt
Messages: 436 Registered: February 2016 Location: Fresno, California
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James Hupy wrote on Mon, 27 June 2016 14:13Costco moves more gas than just about anyone. I kinda doubt that they would
have contaminated fuel, but because it is at least a possibility, it should
be checked to rule it out. Gasoline dripping from the charcoal cannister
tells me that the liquid/vapor separator in the rear wheel well on the
drivers side of the coach either is not working or is overwhelmed with
liquid fuel expanding out of the tanks through the vent hoses. This should
NOT be happening. Is the exhaust pipe emitting black smoke, which might
indicate a sunk float or stuck inlet needle in the carb. Change and/or
check ONLY ONE THING AT A TIME to rule out your problem (s).
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Jun 27, 2016 2:01 PM, "A." wrote:
> A Hamilto wrote on Mon, 27 June 2016 15:36
>> Maybe the filter at the carb needs to be replaced.
> Never mind. I see you changed that.
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> But a clue is: "I filled it at Costco and it took 34 gals. two blocks down
> the road it started sputtering and tried to die when I gave it any gas."
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> You might have water in the tanks from that gas. Figure out a way to get
> as much of that gas out and put fresh gas (from someplace else) in it.
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My fill burps back so it is hard to tell if it is over filled. Gauge senders aren't accurate either. Could that fill the vent line causing the separator to fill?
Jerry Burt Fresno, CA.
73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands
Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS
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Re: Another fuel delivery problem? [message #302721 is a reply to message #302709] |
Mon, 27 June 2016 16:45 |
lqqkatjon
Messages: 2324 Registered: October 2010 Location: St. Cloud, MN
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Costo is good, but you never know.
We had a big thunderstorm roll through last year. Not unusual at all for MN, we get thunderstorm and huge quick rainfall often. This one happened in the evening, the next morning i was headed to work about 6:30 am, got a tankful of water. Here the new round-about they installed a month prior messed up the drainage. Gas station never had water in that tank 15 years prior, I was the lucky one at 6:30 am. another big gas supplier in town was vandalized on their diesel, and took out a bunch of city trucks.
boat gas tank will let you know what direction you need to pursue.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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Re: [GMCnet] Another fuel delivery problem? [message #302723 is a reply to message #302719] |
Mon, 27 June 2016 16:47 |
lqqkatjon
Messages: 2324 Registered: October 2010 Location: St. Cloud, MN
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35 gallon fill up, I would guess your tanks are full-full. You could try to drain off 10 gallons and see how it runs?
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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Re: Another fuel delivery problem? [message #302728 is a reply to message #302709] |
Mon, 27 June 2016 17:57 |
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pjburt
Messages: 436 Registered: February 2016 Location: Fresno, California
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All right. I was going to just close up shop for the week (100*+ temps and metal building) and worry about this next week but now there are some things I'm going to have to try tomorrow. Thanks for motivating me again... I think
I'll keep you posted on my progress.
Jerry Burt Fresno, CA.
73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands
Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS
A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour.
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Re: Another fuel delivery problem? [message #302729 is a reply to message #302728] |
Mon, 27 June 2016 18:22 |
tphipps
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Just remembered my last fuel related problem. The fuel line behind the middle wheel has a metal shield to protect the fuel and air lines in that area. The metal wore a hole in the gas line. Acts just like vapor lock because additional air is coming in with the fuel. Replaced hose, put additional protection on the line. No more trouble.
Tom, MS II
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
KA4CSG
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