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Sat, 18 June 2016 16:04  |
RicksGMC
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I need some urgent advice/ help with a transmission problem that just started, we are supposed to be leaving for Branson on Thursday.
I took the GMC out for a test drive today in preparation for our trip to Branson. It ran great for 20 miles or so then I pulled onto the interstate with an immediate uphill incline and had to get on the gas to accelerate enough for the merge causing the transmission to downshift. After that it would only go into 2nd gear and never into 3rd, I made it back home by taking side streets. A few times it was having a hard time shifting out of 1st.
I checked fluid level and added a pint, took it for another drive and it's still not shifting.
I'm looking for any suggestions of things I can check that might be causing this that I can resolve so we can still go to Branson.
Thanks in advance!
Rick
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission problems [message #302272 is a reply to message #302270] |
Sat, 18 June 2016 16:23  |
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Check the vacuum line to the modulator, be sure it's not cracked or loose. Next call Manny.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission problems [message #302278 is a reply to message #302270] |
Sat, 18 June 2016 17:05 |
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Check your vacuum line to trans fron intake.
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Rick Drummond wrote:
> I need some urgent advice/ help with a transmission problem that just
> started, we are supposed to be leaving for Branson on Thursday.
>
> I took the GMC out for a test drive today in preparation for our trip to
> Branson. It ran great for 20 miles or so then I pulled onto the interstate
> with an immediate uphill incline and had to get on the gas to accelerate
> enough for the merge causing the transmission to downshift. After that it
> would only go into 2nd gear and never into 3rd, I made it back home by
> taking side streets. A few times it was having a hard time shifting out of
> 1st.
> I checked fluid level and added a pint, took it for another drive and it's
> still not shifting.
> I'm looking for any suggestions of things I can check that might be
> causing this that I can resolve so we can still go to Branson.
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Rick
>
> Rick&Tammy Drummond
> Prior Lake MN
> '74 (re)Painted Desert
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission problems [message #302279 is a reply to message #302278] |
Sat, 18 June 2016 17:06 |
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Call me 800-752-7502
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Jim Kanomata wrote:
> Check your vacuum line to trans fron intake.
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> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Rick Drummond
> wrote:
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>> I need some urgent advice/ help with a transmission problem that just
>> started, we are supposed to be leaving for Branson on Thursday.
>>
>> I took the GMC out for a test drive today in preparation for our trip to
>> Branson. It ran great for 20 miles or so then I pulled onto the interstate
>> with an immediate uphill incline and had to get on the gas to accelerate
>> enough for the merge causing the transmission to downshift. After that it
>> would only go into 2nd gear and never into 3rd, I made it back home by
>> taking side streets. A few times it was having a hard time shifting out of
>> 1st.
>> I checked fluid level and added a pint, took it for another drive and
>> it's still not shifting.
>> I'm looking for any suggestions of things I can check that might be
>> causing this that I can resolve so we can still go to Branson.
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> Rick&Tammy Drummond
>> Prior Lake MN
>> '74 (re)Painted Desert
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission problems [message #302282 is a reply to message #302278] |
Sat, 18 June 2016 18:02 |
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I checked the vacuum line and it appears connected and intact. I put a vacuum tester on the line to the transmission modulator and it holds vacuum though I'm not sure if the modulator is actually functioning or not.
I also followed the procedure to test the throttle kick down solenoid, the manual states I should hear a click from the modulator when pedal is depressed but mine does not make any sound (that I can hear).
Rick
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Prior Lake MN
'74 (re)Painted Desert
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Jim Kanomata wrote:
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> Check your vacuum line to trans fron intake.
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>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Rick Drummond wrote:
>>
>> I need some urgent advice/ help with a transmission problem that just
>> started, we are supposed to be leaving for Branson on Thursday.
>>
>> I took the GMC out for a test drive today in preparation for our trip to
>> Branson. It ran great for 20 miles or so then I pulled onto the interstate
>> with an immediate uphill incline and had to get on the gas to accelerate
>> enough for the merge causing the transmission to downshift. After that it
>> would only go into 2nd gear and never into 3rd, I made it back home by
>> taking side streets. A few times it was having a hard time shifting out of
>> 1st.
>> I checked fluid level and added a pint, took it for another drive and it's
>> still not shifting.
>> I'm looking for any suggestions of things I can check that might be
>> causing this that I can resolve so we can still go to Branson.
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> Rick&Tammy Drummond
>> Prior Lake MN
>> '74 (re)Painted Desert
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission problems [message #302284 is a reply to message #302282] |
Sat, 18 June 2016 19:26 |
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Sir, the switch is under the dash on top of the acceraletor pedal. Maybe unplug it and see if it unclicks. The activator wire is usually ran with the vacuum line to trans. Plugs in side. Does your speedo still work?
RicksGMC wrote on Sat, 18 June 2016 19:02I checked the vacuum line and it appears connected and intact. I put a vacuum tester on the line to the transmission modulator and it holds vacuum though I'm not sure if the modulator is actually functioning or not.
I also followed the procedure to test the throttle kick down solenoid, the manual states I should hear a click from the modulator when pedal is depressed but mine does not make any sound (that I can hear).
Rick
Rick&Tammy Drummond
Prior Lake MN
'74 (re)Painted Desert
> On Jun 18, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Jim Kanomata wrote:
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> Check your vacuum line to trans fron intake.
>
>
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Rick Drummond wrote:
>>
>> I need some urgent advice/ help with a transmission problem that just
>> started, we are supposed to be leaving for Branson on Thursday.
>>
>> I took the GMC out for a test drive today in preparation for our trip to
>> Branson. It ran great for 20 miles or so then I pulled onto the interstate
>> with an immediate uphill incline and had to get on the gas to accelerate
>> enough for the merge causing the transmission to downshift. After that it
>> would only go into 2nd gear and never into 3rd, I made it back home by
>> taking side streets. A few times it was having a hard time shifting out of
>> 1st.
>> I checked fluid level and added a pint, took it for another drive and it's
>> still not shifting.
>> I'm looking for any suggestions of things I can check that might be
>> causing this that I can resolve so we can still go to Branson.
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> Rick&Tammy Drummond
>> Prior Lake MN
>> '74 (re)Painted Desert
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission problems [message #302286 is a reply to message #302284] |
Sat, 18 June 2016 19:44 |
RicksGMC
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I used a volt meter and tested the switch on the accelerator pedal and it tested ok.
The speedometer is functioning properly also.
Rick
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Prior Lake MN
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> On Jun 18, 2016, at 7:26 PM, Charles Boyd wrote:
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> Sir, the switch is under the dash on top of the acceraletor pedal. Maybe unplug it and see if it unclicks. The activator wire is usually ran with
> the vacuum line to trans. Plugs in side. Does your speedo still work?
>
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> RicksGMC wrote on Sat, 18 June 2016 19:02
>> I checked the vacuum line and it appears connected and intact. I put a vacuum tester on the line to the transmission modulator and it holds vacuum
>> though I'm not sure if the modulator is actually functioning or not.
>> I also followed the procedure to test the throttle kick down solenoid, the manual states I should hear a click from the modulator when pedal is
>> depressed but mine does not make any sound (that I can hear).
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> Rick&Tammy Drummond
>> Prior Lake MN
>> '74 (re)Painted Desert
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>>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Jim Kanomata wrote:
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>>> Check your vacuum line to trans fron intake.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Rick Drummond wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I need some urgent advice/ help with a transmission problem that just
>>>> started, we are supposed to be leaving for Branson on Thursday.
>>>>
>>>> I took the GMC out for a test drive today in preparation for our trip to
>>>> Branson. It ran great for 20 miles or so then I pulled onto the interstate
>>>> with an immediate uphill incline and had to get on the gas to accelerate
>>>> enough for the merge causing the transmission to downshift. After that it
>>>> would only go into 2nd gear and never into 3rd, I made it back home by
>>>> taking side streets. A few times it was having a hard time shifting out of
>>>> 1st.
>>>> I checked fluid level and added a pint, took it for another drive and it's
>>>> still not shifting.
>>>> I'm looking for any suggestions of things I can check that might be
>>>> causing this that I can resolve so we can still go to Branson.
>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>> Rick
>>>>
>>>> Rick&Tammy Drummond
>>>> Prior Lake MN
>>>> '74 (re)Painted Desert
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission problems [message #302296 is a reply to message #302270] |
Sat, 18 June 2016 23:39 |
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Since it happened right after you floored it, I strongly suspect the kickdown switch or the kick down solenoid. Unplug the wire from the trans and see if the problem goes away. If it does, you can drive it that way and not hurt anything. You just will not have any passing gear. You can still pull it down manually with the gear shift.
If unplugging it does not change the symptoms, it still could be the kickdown solenoid in the trans. It also can be a vacuum leak anywhere in the rubber and steel line from the intake to the modulator. Finally as suggested previously it could be a sticking governor.
Chuck Boyd asked this before.
Does the speedometer work?
Ken Burton - N9KB
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission problems [message #302310 is a reply to message #302296] |
Sun, 19 June 2016 13:08 |
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To eliminate causes I pulled and inspected the governor, which appeared just fine; I re-checked the vacuum line and fittings to the modulator, using a hand vac pump I pulled vac on the modulator and steel line and it held pressure. I used a volt meter and checked the kick-down switch on the accelerator pedal and it appears to be functioning properly which leaves me with the kick-down solenoid.
I have the orange wire to the solenoid disconnected right now and took another test drive, it appears to be shifting properly again; so question is did something I touch resolve it or could it be temperature related?
The other question I have is how to know for sure it's shifting? The tranny shifts so smooth I don't actually hear it, when it was acting up yesterday at 55-65mph the rpm's are about 3500 today at 55-65mph rpm's are 2300-2500 (3.70 final drive) does that sound correct?
Rick
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> On Jun 18, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Ken Burton wrote:
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> Since it happened right after you floored it, I strongly suspect the kickdown switch or the kick down solenoid. Unplug the wire from the trans and
> see if the problem goes away. If it does, you can drive it that way and not hurt anything. You just will not have any passing gear. You can still
> pull it down manually with the gear shift.
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> If unplugging it does not change the symptoms, it still could be the kickdown solenoid in the trans. It also can be a vacuum leak anywhere in the
> rubber and steel line from the intake to the modulator. Finally as suggested previously it could be a sticking governor.
>
> Chuck Boyd asked this before.
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> Does the speedometer work?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission problems [message #302315 is a reply to message #302310] |
Sun, 19 June 2016 13:26 |
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See this link for "Engine RPM vs Speed" (in third):
http://gdurl.com/ion9
(snatched from someone's GMC info - thanks!!)
Rob
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76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
On 2016-06-19, at 11:08 AM, Rick Drummond wrote:
> To eliminate causes I pulled and inspected the governor, which appeared just fine; I re-checked the vacuum line and fittings to the modulator, using a hand vac pump I pulled vac on the modulator and steel line and it held pressure. I used a volt meter and checked the kick-down switch on the accelerator pedal and it appears to be functioning properly which leaves me with the kick-down solenoid.
> I have the orange wire to the solenoid disconnected right now and took another test drive, it appears to be shifting properly again; so question is did something I touch resolve it or could it be temperature related?
> The other question I have is how to know for sure it's shifting? The tranny shifts so smooth I don't actually hear it, when it was acting up yesterday at 55-65mph the rpm's are about 3500 today at 55-65mph rpm's are 2300-2500 (3.70 final drive) does that sound correct?
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission problems [message #302345 is a reply to message #302311] |
Sun, 19 June 2016 16:54 |
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I reconnected the wire to the kick-down solenoid and drove it and now it appears to be shifting properly again. I'll go with the hope that I touched and corrected whatever was causing it... I plan on driving it as much as I can this week before we leave just to make sure.
Other than RPM's is there any indication that the transmission is actually shifting thru all 3 gears?
Rick
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> On Jun 19, 2016, at 1:15 PM, A. wrote:
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> RicksGMC wrote on Sun, 19 June 2016 13:08
>> To eliminate causes I pulled and inspected the governor, which appeared just fine; I re-checked the vacuum line and fittings to the modulator,
>> using a hand vac pump I pulled vac on the modulator and steel line and it held pressure. I used a volt meter and checked the kick-down switch on the
>> accelerator pedal and it appears to be functioning properly which leaves me with the kick-down solenoid.
>> I have the orange wire to the solenoid disconnected right now and took another test drive, it appears to be shifting properly again; so question
>> is did something I touch resolve it or could it be temperature related?
>> The other question I have is how to know for sure it's shifting? The tranny shifts so smooth I don't actually hear it, when it was acting up
>> yesterday at 55-65mph the rpm's are about 3500 today at 55-65mph rpm's are 2300-2500 (3.70 final drive) does that sound correct?
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> Rick&Tammy Drummond
>> Prior Lake MN
>> '74 (re)Painted Desert
> The RPMs at speed indicate you have a 3.07 final drive. If you reconnect the kickdown solenoid and it stops shifting, there's your culprit. If it
> continues to shift correctly with the kickdown solenoid reconnected, that would indicate a connection corrosion issue that you cleared when
> disconnecting and reconnecting.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission problems [message #302352 is a reply to message #302270] |
Sun, 19 June 2016 17:47 |
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Have the copilot watch the tach as you accelerate with a fixed throttle position. You'll see two instances where it drops perceptibly. The 1-2 shift is at a fairly low speed unless you're really standing on it. However, your reported RPM and road speed correspond to my 3.07 coach.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission problems [message #302353 is a reply to message #302270] |
Sun, 19 June 2016 17:52 |
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Rick,
You will know it is not in 3rd gear if you drive 1 exit down i-35.
You will also not be able to go very fast stuck in 1st.
Starting on a hill from a dead start, you will know if it is not starting in 3rd. Pay attention. You can count the shifts even so suttle.
Jon Roche
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission problems [message #302376 is a reply to message #302352] |
Sun, 19 June 2016 19:52 |
RicksGMC
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I'll try the copilot watching the tach trick on the next drive.
I was a little vague with my rpm #s, so I rechecked:
50mph is 2200-2300
60mph is 2800-2900
According to PO the coach has a 3.70 final drive from Jim K.
Thanks to everyone for your help and suggestions!
Rick
Rick&Tammy Drummond
Prior Lake MN
'74 (re)Painted Desert
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 5:47 PM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist wrote:
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> Have the copilot watch the tach as you accelerate with a fixed throttle position. You'll see two instances where it drops perceptibly. The 1-2 shift
> is at a fairly low speed unless you're really standing on it. However, your reported RPM and road speed correspond to my 3.07 coach.
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> --johnny
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission problems [message #302387 is a reply to message #302310] |
Sun, 19 June 2016 22:58 |
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Rick — one way to tell if it shifted into high is to use the shift lever to downshift to second and check the rams. Then shift back into drive and it should run at a lower rpm if its has shifted.
Emery Stora
> On Jun 19, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Rick Drummond wrote:
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> To eliminate causes I pulled and inspected the governor, which appeared just fine; I re-checked the vacuum line and fittings to the modulator, using a hand vac pump I pulled vac on the modulator and steel line and it held pressure. I used a volt meter and checked the kick-down switch on the accelerator pedal and it appears to be functioning properly which leaves me with the kick-down solenoid.
> I have the orange wire to the solenoid disconnected right now and took another test drive, it appears to be shifting properly again; so question is did something I touch resolve it or could it be temperature related?
> The other question I have is how to know for sure it's shifting? The tranny shifts so smooth I don't actually hear it, when it was acting up yesterday at 55-65mph the rpm's are about 3500 today at 55-65mph rpm's are 2300-2500 (3.70 final drive) does that sound correct?
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> Rick
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> Rick&Tammy Drummond
> Prior Lake MN
> '74 (re)Painted Desert
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>> On Jun 18, 2016, at 11:39 PM, Ken Burton wrote:
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>> Since it happened right after you floored it, I strongly suspect the kickdown switch or the kick down solenoid. Unplug the wire from the trans and
>> see if the problem goes away. If it does, you can drive it that way and not hurt anything. You just will not have any passing gear. You can still
>> pull it down manually with the gear shift.
>>
>> If unplugging it does not change the symptoms, it still could be the kickdown solenoid in the trans. It also can be a vacuum leak anywhere in the
>> rubber and steel line from the intake to the modulator. Finally as suggested previously it could be a sticking governor.
>>
>> Chuck Boyd asked this before.
>>
>> Does the speedometer work?
>> --
>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>> 76 Palm Beach
>> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission problems [message #302400 is a reply to message #302270] |
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jhbridges
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Those revised RPM numbers correspond to my 3.70 coach.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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