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Sat, 07 May 2016 10:45  |
glwgmc
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After a fun sorority reunion for Sharon in Portland, OR, we are now in Spokane, WA, visiting for a few days before heading for Jasper, AB, and then north to AK. The Royale is loaded to the gunnels and ran like a champ, except for not liking winter gas going up hill in warm to hot weather. A few vapor lock symptoms that the electric fuel pump fixed. The last big outing in the Royale took place in Feb so the fuel in the tank when we left was winter blend fuel. It took a couple of 250 mile fill ups to dilute that with summer blend so I don't expect much issue from here.
Before we left I did my normal every two year replacement of two tires, all 16" load range E BFG Commercial TAs. About 50 miles out from Spokane we could feel a bit of a vibration that was speed related. I stopped and ran my hands over all six tires. None were hotter than the others and all six felt the same with no apparent bumps or bulges so I thought maybe we had tossed a wheel weight. Nope. A loud bang followed by lots of flailing against the side of the coach shortly after exiting off the freeway let us know in no uncertain way that a tire had blown. When we got safely to the side of the road and surveyed the damage we found bad news and good news.
The good news was the Alcoa rim still appeared to be undamaged. The bad news was the whole tread had separated, zipping almost all the way off like an old retread. What was left of the tread strip knocked the step off, beat up the paint, picked out both bogie greasers, tore the T skirt loose and didn't help the plastic chrome trim around the wheel openings on the T skirt. Nothing that will hamper our continuing adventure, but enough to require some time in dock to effect repairs.
An interesting side note. We choose the BFG tires because they are available nearly everywhere. Well they are available here but the well known western tire company that came out to do the wheel change doesn't carry them and now claims the price for that one tire will be $100 more than we paid our local gas station in rural So. OR! But, they were Johnny on the spot and got to us within a few minutes of our call so I guess I can't complain too much in the grand scheme of things.
The tire that blew had a 2011 date code, had lots of tread left, and had been rotated every 5000 to 6000 miles. It was the forward PS bogie. That is the only spot where we have ever had tire issues on either of the coaches. That is the same spot where we lost a tire on this coach in the middle of no where Iowa on our way to the Maritime Provinces in 2010. Interesting as that wheel measures frame parallel, the tread showed no unusual wear and that tire was the same temp as all the others.
Hopefully, that will be the only unwanted adventure on this journey!
Jerry
Jerry Work
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| Re: [GMCnet] Jaunt to Alaska - the first 600 miles [message #300250 is a reply to message #300248] |
Sat, 07 May 2016 11:26  |
James Hupy
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Darn, Jerry, Sure wish we could have been with you guys. I'm right about
midway through with my cardiovascular rehabilitation. They have increased
the speed of my treadmill twice, moved me up in weight of the dumbells
twice, and changed the tension on my resistance bands as well. They are
serious about this stuff. 150 minutes weekly of cardiovascular activity
that gets my heart rate into the 140 range. Always wear a cardiac monitor
and before, during, and after exercise they take blood pressure. Record
all that and email it all to my cardiologist. They haven't killed me yet,
so I must be doing ok. Darn valve makes a racket when it is quiet, but we
are getting used to it.
Working part time in the shop now. Don't know if it was them stirring
around in my chest or the anaesthesia that knocked me in the dirt, but my
strength is slowly returning. Couldn't be that I will be 76 on the 17th of
May? Nah, Dr. says I'm a young 75. Have the cardio workup of a 50 year old.
Hmmm? Watch out for Moose on the highway, you don't want to hit one. Keep
us posted on your travels. We enjoy reading them.
Jim and Judy Hupy
Salem, Or.
On May 7, 2016 8:46 AM, "Gerald Work" wrote:
> After a fun sorority reunion for Sharon in Portland, OR, we are now in
> Spokane, WA, visiting for a few days before heading for Jasper, AB, and
> then north to AK. The Royale is loaded to the gunnels and ran like a
> champ, except for not liking winter gas going up hill in warm to hot
> weather. A few vapor lock symptoms that the electric fuel pump fixed. The
> last big outing in the Royale took place in Feb so the fuel in the tank
> when we left was winter blend fuel. It took a couple of 250 mile fill ups
> to dilute that with summer blend so I don't expect much issue from here.
>
> Before we left I did my normal every two year replacement of two tires,
> all 16" load range E BFG Commercial TAs. About 50 miles out from Spokane
> we could feel a bit of a vibration that was speed related. I stopped and
> ran my hands over all six tires. None were hotter than the others and all
> six felt the same with no apparent bumps or bulges so I thought maybe we
> had tossed a wheel weight. Nope. A loud bang followed by lots of flailing
> against the side of the coach shortly after exiting off the freeway let us
> know in no uncertain way that a tire had blown. When we got safely to the
> side of the road and surveyed the damage we found bad news and good news.
>
> The good news was the Alcoa rim still appeared to be undamaged. The bad
> news was the whole tread had separated, zipping almost all the way off like
> an old retread. What was left of the tread strip knocked the step off,
> beat up the paint, picked out both bogie greasers, tore the T skirt loose
> and didn't help the plastic chrome trim around the wheel openings on the T
> skirt. Nothing that will hamper our continuing adventure, but enough to
> require some time in dock to effect repairs.
>
> An interesting side note. We choose the BFG tires because they are
> available nearly everywhere. Well they are available here but the well
> known western tire company that came out to do the wheel change doesn't
> carry them and now claims the price for that one tire will be $100 more
> than we paid our local gas station in rural So. OR! But, they were Johnny
> on the spot and got to us within a few minutes of our call so I guess I
> can't complain too much in the grand scheme of things.
>
> The tire that blew had a 2011 date code, had lots of tread left, and had
> been rotated every 5000 to 6000 miles. It was the forward PS bogie. That
> is the only spot where we have ever had tire issues on either of the
> coaches. That is the same spot where we lost a tire on this coach in the
> middle of no where Iowa on our way to the Maritime Provinces in 2010.
> Interesting as that wheel measures frame parallel, the tread showed no
> unusual wear and that tire was the same temp as all the others.
>
> Hopefully, that will be the only unwanted adventure on this journey!
>
> Jerry
>
> Jerry Work
> The Dovetail Joint
> Fine furniture designed & hand crafted
> in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
> in historic Kerby, OR
> http://jerrywork.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Jaunt to Alaska - the first 600 miles [message #300257 is a reply to message #300248] |
Sat, 07 May 2016 14:52 |
Mr ERFisher
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On Saturday, May 7, 2016, Gerald Work wrote:
> After a fun sorority reunion for Sharon in Portland, OR, we are now in
> Spokane, WA, visiting for a few days before heading for Jasper, AB, and
> then north to AK. The Royale is loaded to the gunnels and ran like a
> champ, except for not liking winter gas going up hill in warm to hot
> weather. A few vapor lock symptoms that the electric fuel pump fixed. The
> last big outing in the Royale took place in Feb so the fuel in the tank
> when we left was winter blend fuel. It took a couple of 250 mile fill ups
> to dilute that with summer blend so I don't expect much issue from here.
>
> Before we left I did my normal every two year replacement of two tires,
> all 16" load range E BFG Commercial TAs. About 50 miles out from Spokane
> we could feel a bit of a vibration that was speed related. I stopped and
> ran my hands over all six tires. None were hotter than the others and all
> six felt the same with no apparent bumps or bulges so I thought maybe we
> had tossed a wheel weight. Nope. A loud bang followed by lots of flailing
> against the side of the coach shortly after exiting off the freeway let us
> know in no uncertain way that a tire had blown. When we got safely to the
> side of the road and surveyed the damage we found bad news and good news.
>
> The good news was the Alcoa rim still appeared to be undamaged. The bad
> news was the whole tread had separated, zipping almost all the way off like
> an old retread. What was left of the tread strip knocked the step off,
> beat up the paint, picked out both bogie greasers, tore the T skirt loose
> and didn't help the plastic chrome trim around the wheel openings on the T
> skirt. Nothing that will hamper our continuing adventure, but enough to
> require some time in dock to effect repairs.
>
> An interesting side note. We choose the BFG tires because they are
> available nearly everywhere. Well they are available here but the well
> known western tire company that came out to do the wheel change doesn't
> carry them and now claims the price for that one tire will be $100 more
> than we paid our local gas station in rural So. OR! But, they were Johnny
> on the spot and got to us within a few minutes of our call so I guess I
> can't complain too much in the grand scheme of things.
>
> The tire that blew had a 2011 date
>
> Sounds. Like a 5. Year old tire
>
> Typical
> had lots of tread left, and had been rotated every 5000 to 6000 miles. It
> was the forward PS bogie. That is the only spot where we have ever had
> tire issues on either of the coaches. That is the same spot where we lost
> a tire on this coach in the middle of no where Iowa on our way to the
> Maritime Provinces in 2010. Interesting as that wheel measures frame
> parallel, the tread showed no unusual wear and that tire was the same temp
> as all the others.
>
> Hopefully, that will be the only unwanted adventure on this journey!
>
> Jerry
>
> Jerry Work
> The Dovetail Joint
> Fine furniture designed & hand crafted
> in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
> in historic Kerby, OR
> http://jerrywork.com
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Jaunt to Alaska - the first 600 miles [message #300258 is a reply to message #300248] |
Sat, 07 May 2016 16:43 |
Carl S.
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Jerry,
I had the same issues with BFG Commercial TAs at about the same age or less, and for that matter, the PO installed Kumhos before them. Fortunately, I caught them before they actually came apart and did any damage. I'm on to Coopers now, but won't take a chance on tires any older than five years old from now on, and obviously, that may be too long.
Hope the rest of your trip goes better. I'm envious. Someday we hope to make that trip too.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Jaunt to Alaska - the first 600 miles [message #300259 is a reply to message #300248] |
Sat, 07 May 2016 17:16 |
bobby5832708
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Jerry,
I had a similar experience last year with 2 Goodrich Comm TA's although not as bad as what you went through.
Mine were made late 2011 and purchased spring of 2012. They had just over 3 years of use and had about 2/3 of tread left when on a trip to SC the drivers mid tire started thumping pretty badly. It had a big knot where the tread and sidewall joined and several bands of tread were higher than the others. I put on the crappy spare tire and continued on the trip. About 50 miles later the GMC starts thumping again, this time it's the passenger mid tire looking like it is trying to give birth to a football. Now I have no spare tire and two bad Goodrich tires and made it to a state park in Santee SC. Next morning was a Sunday and the only place to get tires was a Walmart 30 miles away in Manning SC. Made it bumping and thumping to Walmart and bought 3 of Dextero DHT2 'Chinese' tires, one as a spare and two to replace the Goodrich 'Made in USA' tires that had pretty much come apart (fortunately never lost the tread).
As much as I don't want to like the Dextero tires (I like to buy American when possible), I can't find anything wrong with them. They run smooth and, since moving them to the front, find that they steer and handle just fine. At $106 they are half the price of the 'Made in USA' Goodriches and are available at Walmarts all over the country. It's been a year now and the Dextero tires still work fine.
Looking at my tires yesterday I saw one of my Goodyear Wranglers has a bit of tread damage where it looks like a stone or something got between the treads and made a small cut in the rubber. Normally I would go to my local tire dealer and buy another Good-something but seeing how well the Dexteros have worked for me I think I will take the wheel to Walmart this week and buy another $106 Dextero.
I hope the rest of your trip goes well and that you don't have any more Goodrich tire problems.
Bob Heller
2017 Winnebago 29VE
Winter Springs FL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Jaunt to Alaska - the first 600 miles [message #300264 is a reply to message #300248] |
Sun, 08 May 2016 00:29 |
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Gerald,
> A loud bang followed by lots of flailing against the side of the coach shortly after exiting off the freeway let us know in no uncertain way that a tire had blown
sorry to hear that bad news. But good that noone was hurt.
I wonder: How often did you drive that coach? I had heard that one of
the culprits with tires is not moving them enough.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Jaunt to Alaska - the first 600 miles [message #300328 is a reply to message #300248] |
Mon, 09 May 2016 09:36 |
glwgmc
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After lots of digging I found a number of references to tread separation on GF Goodrich Commercial TA tires manufactured around the time of the tire that failed on our coach. I also came across a voluntary recall by the company on two sizes close to ours. The recall was issued in 2012 for 235/85 16 and 245/75 16 LRE manufactured between April 2010 and July 2012. Our bad 225/75 16 LRE tire was made in 2011.
I made the decision to order two Michelin LTX M/S2 tires from Costco to replace the bad one and its date mate still on the coach. They will be in today. I will take the rims with old tires into Costco and they will mount and balance the new ones. They would not remove and remount the tires from the coach as they wont work on a motorhome here. Took only one day for them to get the tires. Our price out the door was $389.98 for the two so a bit less than we have been paying our local service station for the Commercial TAs. We live in rural So. OR and wanted to help keep our local station in business but from now on will do the rotation using these Michelins from Costco.
If you have Commercial TAs made during that 2010 to 2012 time period I suggest you hunt down an authorized BF Goodrich dealer and see if they will do anything about replacing yours even though our coach size was not part of the recall. I just can't imagine why those two sizes that were recalled would be made any differently from the size we use.
BTW, the BF Goodrich tire name has quite a history of being acquired and used by several companies before Michelin finally wound up with the name through an acquisition from a private equity group a while back. The BF Goodrich company stopped making tires several decades ago.
Thanks to all of you who provided info about this issue.
Jerry
Jerry Work
The Dovetail Joint
Fine furniture designed & hand crafted
in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
in historic Kerby, OR
http://jerrywork.com
> On May 7, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Gerald Work wrote:
>
> After a fun sorority reunion for Sharon in Portland, OR, we are now in Spokane, WA, visiting for a few days before heading for Jasper, AB, and then north to AK. The Royale is loaded to the gunnels and ran like a champ, except for not liking winter gas going up hill in warm to hot weather. A few vapor lock symptoms that the electric fuel pump fixed. The last big outing in the Royale took place in Feb so the fuel in the tank when we left was winter blend fuel. It took a couple of 250 mile fill ups to dilute that with summer blend so I don't expect much issue from here.
>
> Before we left I did my normal every two year replacement of two tires, all 16" load range E BFG Commercial TAs. About 50 miles out from Spokane we could feel a bit of a vibration that was speed related. I stopped and ran my hands over all six tires. None were hotter than the others and all six felt the same with no apparent bumps or bulges so I thought maybe we had tossed a wheel weight. Nope. A loud bang followed by lots of flailing against the side of the coach shortly after exiting off the freeway let us know in no uncertain way that a tire had blown. When we got safely to the side of the road and surveyed the damage we found bad news and good news.
>
> The good news was the Alcoa rim still appeared to be undamaged. The bad news was the whole tread had separated, zipping almost all the way off like an old retread. What was left of the tread strip knocked the step off, beat up the paint, picked out both bogie greasers, tore the T skirt loose and didn't help the plastic chrome trim around the wheel openings on the T skirt. Nothing that will hamper our continuing adventure, but enough to require some time in dock to effect repairs.
>
> An interesting side note. We choose the BFG tires because they are available nearly everywhere. Well they are available here but the well known western tire company that came out to do the wheel change doesn't carry them and now claims the price for that one tire will be $100 more than we paid our local gas station in rural So. OR! But, they were Johnny on the spot and got to us within a few minutes of our call so I guess I can't complain too much in the grand scheme of things.
>
> The tire that blew had a 2011 date code, had lots of tread left, and had been rotated every 5000 to 6000 miles. It was the forward PS bogie. That is the only spot where we have ever had tire issues on either of the coaches. That is the same spot where we lost a tire on this coach in the middle of no where Iowa on our way to the Maritime Provinces in 2010. Interesting as that wheel measures frame parallel, the tread showed no unusual wear and that tire was the same temp as all the others.
>
> Hopefully, that will be the only unwanted adventure on this journey!
>
> Jerry
>
> Jerry Work
> The Dovetail Joint
> Fine furniture designed & hand crafted
> in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
> in historic Kerby, OR
> http://jerrywork.com
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Jaunt to Alaska - the first 600 miles [message #300366 is a reply to message #300328] |
Mon, 09 May 2016 18:07 |
jimk
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Jerry,
At least the tires are something you can acquire on the trip.
I wish we can do that , but time is running out for us.
Have a great trip and enjoy.
On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Gerald Work wrote:
> After lots of digging I found a number of references to tread separation
> on GF Goodrich Commercial TA tires manufactured around the time of the tire
> that failed on our coach. I also came across a voluntary recall by the
> company on two sizes close to ours. The recall was issued in 2012 for
> 235/85 16 and 245/75 16 LRE manufactured between April 2010 and July 2012.
> Our bad 225/75 16 LRE tire was made in 2011.
>
> I made the decision to order two Michelin LTX M/S2 tires from Costco to
> replace the bad one and its date mate still on the coach. They will be in
> today. I will take the rims with old tires into Costco and they will mount
> and balance the new ones. They would not remove and remount the tires from
> the coach as they wont work on a motorhome here. Took only one day for
> them to get the tires. Our price out the door was $389.98 for the two so a
> bit less than we have been paying our local service station for the
> Commercial TAs. We live in rural So. OR and wanted to help keep our local
> station in business but from now on will do the rotation using these
> Michelins from Costco.
>
> If you have Commercial TAs made during that 2010 to 2012 time period I
> suggest you hunt down an authorized BF Goodrich dealer and see if they will
> do anything about replacing yours even though our coach size was not part
> of the recall. I just can't imagine why those two sizes that were
> recalled would be made any differently from the size we use.
>
> BTW, the BF Goodrich tire name has quite a history of being acquired and
> used by several companies before Michelin finally wound up with the name
> through an acquisition from a private equity group a while back. The BF
> Goodrich company stopped making tires several decades ago.
>
> Thanks to all of you who provided info about this issue.
>
> Jerry
>
> Jerry Work
> The Dovetail Joint
> Fine furniture designed & hand crafted
> in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
> in historic Kerby, OR
> http://jerrywork.com
>
>
>> On May 7, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Gerald Work wrote:
>>
>> After a fun sorority reunion for Sharon in Portland, OR, we are now in
> Spokane, WA, visiting for a few days before heading for Jasper, AB, and
> then north to AK. The Royale is loaded to the gunnels and ran like a
> champ, except for not liking winter gas going up hill in warm to hot
> weather. A few vapor lock symptoms that the electric fuel pump fixed. The
> last big outing in the Royale took place in Feb so the fuel in the tank
> when we left was winter blend fuel. It took a couple of 250 mile fill ups
> to dilute that with summer blend so I don't expect much issue from here.
>>
>> Before we left I did my normal every two year replacement of two tires,
> all 16" load range E BFG Commercial TAs. About 50 miles out from Spokane
> we could feel a bit of a vibration that was speed related. I stopped and
> ran my hands over all six tires. None were hotter than the others and all
> six felt the same with no apparent bumps or bulges so I thought maybe we
> had tossed a wheel weight. Nope. A loud bang followed by lots of flailing
> against the side of the coach shortly after exiting off the freeway let us
> know in no uncertain way that a tire had blown. When we got safely to the
> side of the road and surveyed the damage we found bad news and good news.
>>
>> The good news was the Alcoa rim still appeared to be undamaged. The bad
> news was the whole tread had separated, zipping almost all the way off like
> an old retread. What was left of the tread strip knocked the step off,
> beat up the paint, picked out both bogie greasers, tore the T skirt loose
> and didn't help the plastic chrome trim around the wheel openings on the T
> skirt. Nothing that will hamper our continuing adventure, but enough to
> require some time in dock to effect repairs.
>>
>> An interesting side note. We choose the BFG tires because they are
> available nearly everywhere. Well they are available here but the well
> known western tire company that came out to do the wheel change doesn't
> carry them and now claims the price for that one tire will be $100 more
> than we paid our local gas station in rural So. OR! But, they were Johnny
> on the spot and got to us within a few minutes of our call so I guess I
> can't complain too much in the grand scheme of things.
>>
>> The tire that blew had a 2011 date code, had lots of tread left, and had
> been rotated every 5000 to 6000 miles. It was the forward PS bogie. That
> is the only spot where we have ever had tire issues on either of the
> coaches. That is the same spot where we lost a tire on this coach in the
> middle of no where Iowa on our way to the Maritime Provinces in 2010.
> Interesting as that wheel measures frame parallel, the tread showed no
> unusual wear and that tire was the same temp as all the others.
>>
>> Hopefully, that will be the only unwanted adventure on this journey!
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> Jerry Work
>> The Dovetail Joint
>> Fine furniture designed & hand crafted
>> in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
>> in historic Kerby, OR
>> http://jerrywork.com
>>
>
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