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| [GMCnet] Black List [message #299327] |
Wed, 20 April 2016 16:06  |
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I need some help from all you GMCers. The GMC Assist list, aka, "The Black
List", has been available for 17 years at http://bdub.net/Black_List/.
However there are still only about 6% of us listed as members willing to at
least tell other owners over the phone where they can get parts or take
their GMC for local help.
Would some of you please let me know why folks do not join.
Might it be that I haven't explained the purpose of the list sufficiently?
Do most owners think they are not qualified?
Even if you're away, you can give advice over the phone.
Perhaps I need help with a new introduction. Any volunteers?
Is it too hard to find? Please make suggestions.
Street address is not required as first contact should be by other means.
If you want your email address private, let me know and I won't list it. I
do have to have an email address for annual audit purposes however.
In January I added the Service Providers and Service Comments lists to the
bottom so it is even more valuable to have at hand.
Back last November, with help from Robert Bailey, I linked to a Google Map
to generally locate all members by zip code.
Please help. Respond privately if you want to.
Thanks
bdub
76 Palm Beach | Central Texas | www.bdub.net
http://bdub.net/GMCLinks.html
https://www.facebook.com/groups/classicgmcmotorhomes/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List [message #299332 is a reply to message #299327] |
Wed, 20 April 2016 16:58  |
tphipps
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Billy, cannot imagine not being on the Black List. It is a great help when you are out and about. Great way to met new GMC friends. An honor to help the general community.
Tom, MS II
Black List - don't leave home without it.
2012 Phoenix Cruiser model 2552
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List [message #299338 is a reply to message #299327] |
Wed, 20 April 2016 17:50 |
GMC.LES
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Perhaps a name change? (No disrespect to the originator)
Amongst most people, being blacklisted is not a good thing. The younger owners likely do not understand the origins of the black list and why it was named as such. If it were called the TZE Assistance List (or similar), success might be higher. The name needs to be self describing.
Just my 2 pennies.
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
> On Apr 20, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Billy Massey wrote:
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> I need some help from all you GMCers. The GMC Assist list, aka, "The Black
> List", has been available for 17 years at http://bdub.net/Black_List/.
> However there are still only about 6% of us listed as members willing to at
> least tell other owners over the phone where they can get parts or take
> their GMC for local help.
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> Would some of you please let me know why folks do not join.
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> Might it be that I haven't explained the purpose of the list sufficiently?
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> Do most owners think they are not qualified?
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> Even if you're away, you can give advice over the phone.
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> Perhaps I need help with a new introduction. Any volunteers?
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> Is it too hard to find? Please make suggestions.
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> Street address is not required as first contact should be by other means.
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> If you want your email address private, let me know and I won't list it. I
> do have to have an email address for annual audit purposes however.
>
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>
> In January I added the Service Providers and Service Comments lists to the
> bottom so it is even more valuable to have at hand.
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>
> Back last November, with help from Robert Bailey, I linked to a Google Map
> to generally locate all members by zip code.
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>
> Please help. Respond privately if you want to.
>
> Thanks
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> bdub
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> 76 Palm Beach | Central Texas | www.bdub.net
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> http://bdub.net/GMCLinks.html
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> https://www.facebook.com/groups/classicgmcmotorhomes/
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> https://www.facebook.com/groups/gmcmm/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List [message #299339 is a reply to message #299338] |
Wed, 20 April 2016 18:19 |
bdub
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Location: Central Texas
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Thanks for the suggestion. Hard to break old habits. It'd be a hard
sell. The actual name, "The GMC Assist List" pretty much says it all. TZE
fits though. I like it.
Billy
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Les Burt wrote:
> Perhaps a name change? (No disrespect to the originator)
>
> Amongst most people, being blacklisted is not a good thing. The younger
> owners likely do not understand the origins of the black list and why it
> was named as such. If it were called the TZE Assistance List (or similar),
> success might be higher. The name needs to be self describing.
>
> Just my 2 pennies.
>
> Les Burt
> Montreal
> '75 Eleganza 26'
> The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
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>
>> On Apr 20, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Billy Massey wrote:
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>>
>>
>> I need some help from all you GMCers. The GMC Assist list, aka, "The
> Black
>> List", has been available for 17 years at http://bdub.net/Black_List/.
>> However there are still only about 6% of us listed as members willing to
> at
>> least tell other owners over the phone where they can get parts or take
>> their GMC for local help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Would some of you please let me know why folks do not join.
>>
>>
>>
>> Might it be that I haven't explained the purpose of the list
> sufficiently?
>>
>>
>>
>> Do most owners think they are not qualified?
>>
>>
>>
>> Even if you're away, you can give advice over the phone.
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps I need help with a new introduction. Any volunteers?
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it too hard to find? Please make suggestions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Street address is not required as first contact should be by other means.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want your email address private, let me know and I won't list
> it. I
>> do have to have an email address for annual audit purposes however.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In January I added the Service Providers and Service Comments lists to
> the
>> bottom so it is even more valuable to have at hand.
>>
>>
>>
>> Back last November, with help from Robert Bailey, I linked to a Google
> Map
>> to generally locate all members by zip code.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please help. Respond privately if you want to.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> bdub
>>
>> 76 Palm Beach | Central Texas | www.bdub.net
>>
>> http://bdub.net/GMCLinks.html
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/classicgmcmotorhomes/
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/groups/gmcmm/
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List [message #299340 is a reply to message #299327] |
Wed, 20 April 2016 18:39 |
jhbridges
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Credit where it's due - Roger Black's GMC Assist List
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List [message #299341 is a reply to message #299338] |
Wed, 20 April 2016 18:30 |
k2gkk
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AGREED!
Just the term "Black List" is "off-putting!"
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From: gmc.les@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 18:50:40 -0400
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Black List
Perhaps a name change? (No disrespect to the originator)
Amongst most people, being blacklisted is not a good thing. The younger owners likely do not understand the origins of the black list and why it was named as such. If it were called the TZE Assistance List (or similar), success might be higher. The name needs to be self describing.
Just my 2 pennies.
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
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On Apr 20, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Billy Massey wrote:
I need some help from all you GMCers. The GMC Assist list, aka, "The Black
List", has been available for 17 years at http://bdub.net/Black_List/.
However there are still only about 6% of us listed as members willing to at
least tell other owners over the phone where they can get parts or take
their GMC for local help.
Would some of you please let me know why folks do not join.
Might it be that I haven't explained the purpose of the list sufficiently?
Do most owners think they are not qualified?
Even if you're away, you can give advice over the phone.
Perhaps I need help with a new introduction. Any volunteers?
Is it too hard to find? Please make suggestions.
Street address is not required as first contact should be by other means.
If you want your email address private, let me know and I won't list it. I
do have to have an email address for annual audit purposes however.
In January I added the Service Providers and Service Comments lists to the
bottom so it is even more valuable to have at hand.
Back last November, with help from Robert Bailey, I linked to a Google Map
to generally locate all members by zip code.
Please help. Respond privately if you want to.
Thanks
bdub
76 Palm Beach | Central Texas | www.bdub.net
http://bdub.net/GMCLinks.html
https://www.facebook.com/groups/classicgmcmotorhomes/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/gmcmm/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List [message #299342 is a reply to message #299327] |
Wed, 20 April 2016 18:45 |
rcjordan
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I'll admit that the term "Black list" puzzled me for a moment, but the explanation as to why was pretty easy to find. But that was *here*. On FB, the casual/transient reading & posting may let it get buried more easily --even though you have it in the sticky. OTOH, I think that FB will provide a good source for recruits IF they understand that it's for more than top mechanics. Even though I have tools and some mechanical skills, I was concerned that I wouldn't be available much due to my work or travels. Then someone here pointed out that just being able to point someone to a local tire shop or tow company could be a big help. THAT, I can do, even if just by email.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
76 Eleganza
Elizabeth City, NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List [message #299344 is a reply to message #299340] |
Wed, 20 April 2016 18:58 |
James Hupy
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It has been known by the name of the originator since it's incecption. That
list of volunteers has saved my butt on at least 2 occasions. I like to be
as "politically correct" as my West Coast upbringing will allow, but, come
on guys, give it a rest.
Jim Hupy ( slang for logger) originated in Canada somewhere. Mixture of
French, Canadian, Native American & only GOD knows what else. Mongrel Dog
like most Americans. No right to belittle or praise anyone else based on
social standing or any other reason like hair color, height, weight, etc.
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Apr 20, 2016 4:40 PM, "Johnny Bridges via Gmclist" <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Credit where it's due - Roger Black's GMC Assist List
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> --johnny
> --
> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit
> Braselton, Ga.
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> "Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my
> dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List [message #299353 is a reply to message #299327] |
Wed, 20 April 2016 21:22 |
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Greetings -
I expect we've all heard of "Assisted Living" facilities...
How about "Roger Black's Assisted GMCing" ??
Steve W
1973 23'
Southern California
Steve W
1973 : 23'
Southern California
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List [message #299358 is a reply to message #299353] |
Thu, 21 April 2016 00:44 |
KimS
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As a wanna be GMCer working on getting the wife to agree to getting our own coach, I will attest to the value of the Back List and the name is not an issue at all. I have used the Black List to contact a local member who was extremely pleasant and helpful in my learning about GMC's. Thank you Mike.
What the list is called is not important, what is - is the willingness of members to allow others to contact them should the need arise. Too many people think they are unable to offer any meaningful assistance but when problems are happening people need and want to feel they are not alone. Just being able to reach out is what is valuable.
Leave the name alone and keep encouraging participation.
Kim
Hillsboro Oregon
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List [message #299362 is a reply to message #299327] |
Thu, 21 April 2016 06:53 |
rcjordan
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>Leave the name alone and keep encouraging participation.
That pretty much sums it up for me.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
76 Eleganza
Elizabeth City, NC
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List [message #299365 is a reply to message #299362] |
Thu, 21 April 2016 08:00 |
jknezek
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rcjordan wrote on Thu, 21 April 2016 07:53>Leave the name alone and keep encouraging participation.
That pretty much sums it up for me.
I agree with this. As one of the younger members of this group, as I have been for the 9 years I've owned my coach, I can see why the name is confusing. A "black list" is usually people who are shunned for some reason or another, and I find it entertainingly ironic that we use the term for a completely different meaning. I see no problem with calling it "The Black List", we simply need to get more people to agree to be on it.
I think a lot of the problem is people don't feel they have a lot to offer. As many of you know, I'm not particularly mechanical, but in my half dozen or so Black List calls over the years I have never failed to be some help, even if it was simply to calm someone down. I will also never forget the help I've received from fellow Black Listers on a couple occasions.
More publicity and more stories like Johnny reported, where we share our successes and the causes, in both online communities, is the best idea I can give.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List [message #299368 is a reply to message #299327] |
Thu, 21 April 2016 08:30 |
jhbridges
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Just to bring up the other side of the discussion. The term 'Black List' has to my mind deterred the more superficial folks from bothering people to no purpose, because they skimmed over something called a black list. Does a friendlier (to the non GMC fanatics) name invite abuse? The few times I've been contacted have been GMCers with legitimate problems/questions. Will a different name get me calls from some wonk who just had a blowout on his Suburban? Time will tell. Regardless, Roger Black's efforts should be noted in the name if it's changed.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List [message #299371 is a reply to message #299368] |
Thu, 21 April 2016 08:51 |
Justin Brady
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I'm relatively new, and I honestly just forgot to add myself to it.
Done now though.
I think posting about it regularly is your answer. You're never going to get everyone but if you regularly say something about it (A "Call to action" if you will) people will continue to join.
Justin Brady
http://www.thegmcrv.com/
1976 Palm Beach 455
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List [message #299379 is a reply to message #299371] |
Thu, 21 April 2016 09:59 |
Ken Henderson
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Justin's right. We need to have at least a monthly reminder, in each of
our many GMC media, for people to join. Some good advertiser should write
up a "canned" request that can be used by everyone -- repetition of even an
offensive ad seems to be the way to success.
Ken H.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Justin Brady wrote:
> I'm relatively new, and I honestly just forgot to add myself to it.
> Done now though.
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> I think posting about it regularly is your answer. You're never going to
> get everyone but if you regularly say something about it (A "Call to action"
> if you will) people will continue to join.
> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List [message #299382 is a reply to message #299340] |
Thu, 21 April 2016 10:42 |
Bullitthead
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Johnny (and Rob)got the name right! Honor the originator, and tag the name with GMC and the self-explanatory "assist or assistance", and the title won't be as intimidating to those that have other thoughts about being on a "blacklist" 
Terry Kelpien
ASE Master Technician
73 Glacier 260
Smithfield, Va.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Black List [message #299402 is a reply to message #299327] |
Thu, 21 April 2016 13:07 |
pzerkel
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OK, the following is my opinion. The name discussion is being taken up elsewhere, but to me that is not the biggest issue...
>>Do most owners think they are not qualified?<<
I am on the list. I think I have been for about 5 years now. But the above was the biggest impediment to me. Knowing some of the names that are on there, and knowing my skillset / tool collection / work spaces cannot hold a candle to some there.
I can only recall receiving one call. It was on a holiday (either Memorial or Labor Day) weekend. I was out of town, but checked messages. Person was needing a Power Steering hose made on the holiday. I knew of a place that could do it locally during the week, but was not aware of anywhere that was open on the holiday. By the time I called the person back, he had already discovered that the local O'Reillys Auto Parts store made hydraulic hoses and was open on the holiday; and had taken care of it himself.
In fact, I learned more from him about local resources than he learned from me.
As time goes on, I have learned a few more things (and acquired a few more tools) than when I first signed up for "The List". But I know my resources still pale in comparison to many on the list. I know people are trying to make it clear that you really do not have to be an expert to be on the list, I just feel that message needs to be consistently and constantly reinforced.
Paul Zerkel
'78 Eleganza II
Salisbury IL (near Springfield)
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