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Carb settings apt adjust [message #297520] |
Thu, 17 March 2016 09:02 |
Tilerpep
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Does the picture on page 32 of the following q-jet write up match expert opinion on what should be happening with power valve height in primary venturis on an "RV cam" otherwise stock 455?
http://www.corvette-restoration.com/resources/technical_papers/Q-Jet_Carb_Tuning.pdf
My rods are no where near that deep. Movement marks from the jet on the rod are showing just barely gets near the taper fat part, much less sits within it.
Backstory if you want to keep reading:
Many attempts (2 years) at getting my gas mileage up from 6 and 7 mpg and occasional but persistent overheating. Those two symptoms, plus nozzle drip and just barely a hint of surge/unevenness at idle. I bought a second carb (correct number but center section warped) to compare and learn from, and did a bunch of reading here and general web.
Several of our experts over time have recommended that I check the power valve movement, and it always moved, so we moved on. Now, I am thinking it is not seating far enough down. Both carbs I have are the pre-1975 style that have the APT adjust screw press fit covered. I pulled one press fit cover off the extra carb and voila, another q-jet adjustment.
I read that you can't mix rods from 1973 carb and 1975 carbs, as they used different lengths. I read this on a non GMC site, and not sure if our carbs were consistent over their production run. This got me thinking about rod height and seating more than simply stuck or not stuck. Next thought was that even if the non-oem rebuild kit gasket I have been using on these multiple rebuilds and cleanings are even a bit too thin, that is the same as adjusting the APT up (because the stop is on the bottom plate and the power piston comes down from the middle section, gasket thickness and density would affect this), which causes rich at all but heavy loads (when power piston would rise fully as expected).
My inexact method of verifying has been to mount carb bottom plate to center section with gasket, then observe jets in position while manually pushing the power valve all the way down.
And the full confession paragraph is that I hypothesized this before I learned of the press fit covered adjustment at the front of the bottom plate (next to pcv vacuum port). Many web sites said "early carbs" had no adjustment and I thought that was me. Apparently some 1960s carbs had no adjustment, early seventies had this factory sealed adjustment, and post 1975 had one geared up to the top of the carb for access without disassembly. So, on my good carb I literal persuaded the apt adjuster down with some hammer and screwdriver intricacies. ahem. put it all back together and first time ever absolutely no nozzle drip on passenger side, idle mixture screws behaving as expected and can kill motor. So it seems I am on right track and need to adjust with proper APT turn screw. Thus, the question of where the rods should sit.
Will I need to re-seal that adjuster hole? It does not seem that much vacuum could get by the adjuster screw.
TIA
1975 Glenbrook, 1978 Royale rear bath
Raleigh, NC
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Re: Carb settings apt adjust [message #297532 is a reply to message #297520] |
Thu, 17 March 2016 10:52 |
George Beckman
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Tilerpep wrote on Thu, 17 March 2016 07:02Does the picture on page 32 of the following q-jet write up match expert opinion on what should be happening with power valve height in primary venturis on an "RV cam" otherwise stock 455?
http://www.corvette-restoration.com/resources/technical_papers/Q-Jet_Carb_Tuning.pdf
My rods are no where near that deep. Movement marks from the jet on the rod are showing just barely gets near the taper fat part, much less sits within it.
Thus, the question of where the rods should sit.
TIA
I am sorry I don't know beans about main jet rods. My comments are from the fuel injection (EFI) side of things and lean vs. rich mixtures. On the onset of trying to figure out EFI for our 12K lb rigs several of us were told that if we leaned out the mixture during cruise we would burn valves and pistons and generally ruin everything. So, we installed Wide Band O2 gauges to check fuel mixture and exhaust temperature gauges to check combustion temperature.
We found that lean mixtures cool the exhaust under light loads; cruising with no wind, no hill, etc. But, and here is the important part, when the engine begins to labor even a bit. Not full throttle but sarting with slightly less that half throttle, if the mixture didn't get rich (power valve and those big secondary jets) in a big hurry, temperatures climbed really fast. Exhaust could climb 150 degrees in seconds.
So, be really careful about fiddling with the power valve. I changed my Power Enrichment (Power Valve) setting on the EFI and boy did I put that back in a hurry. When it starts to pull it needs to be rich (12.8:1). It is sad that auto makers around the world have never figured out how to cool combustion with anything cheaper than gasoline. (Well they know water can do it but don't want to bother due to expense, I suppose.)
On to the overheating. I am thinking that is timing. If you are getting poor mileage due to too much gas, that won't usually cause heat. Lean will cause combustion heat but by the time you see that on the water temp gauge valves will have been too hot for several minutes and probably ruined. It can go so lean it is half missing causing loss of power, poor mileage, etc. but again that toasts valves.
If the timing is too retarded, mileage goes down really fast and heat goes up quickly. Exhaust valve temperature is also a problem. The explosion started too late and is still going on when the exhaust valve is opening--- more fire than usual burning in the headers. If it is too advanced the same thing happens, except the explosion is driving the piston down when it is trying to come up.
If you have the HEI with vacuum, make sure all that is free and working. With a timing light, when you time it the vacuum advance hose is disconnected. When it is connected, the vacuum should pull the timing mark off so far you will never see it with the light. The weights on the distributor are noted for getting gummed up, rusted and generally not working worth beans. It can happen on relatively newly rebuilt distributors. Just something that needs to be monitored.
All that said, adjusting all this electronically, last trip out I didn't quite get 10 mpg and I wasn't towing and I drove about 65. I have hills around here and GMCs gobble gas on hills and don't make it up going back down.
Anyway, sounds like you are working your way through this and I wish you luck.
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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Re: Carb settings apt adjust [message #297535 is a reply to message #297520] |
Thu, 17 March 2016 11:43 |
bwevers
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My coach used to get 7.5MPG with 130,000 miles on the engine, stock gears and rebuilt carb.
I recently put in a new engine and added a Manny power drive (like 3.50 gears).
With the same carb I get 9 MPG. The manifold vacuum is ~13 inches when cruising at 60MPH.
Bill Wevers GMC49ers, GMC Western States
1975 Glenbrook - Manny Powerdrive, OneTon
455 F Block, G heads
San Jose
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Re: [GMCnet] Carb settings apt adjust [message #297536 is a reply to message #297535] |
Thu, 17 March 2016 12:16 |
James Hupy
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I know that I have mentioned this several times on the GMCNet and at
Rallies where I have been a presenter and during round table discussions.
But for the new guys I will repeat my self. THE SINGLE MOST COST EFFECTIVE
IMPROVEMENT THAT YOU CAN DO TO YOUR COACH IS TO CHANGE THE FINAL DRIVE
GEARING. THIS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED AT LEAST TWO WAYS. ONE IS IN THE PRIMARY
DRIVE CHAINCASE IN THE TRANSMISSION, AND THE OTHER IS IN THE FINAL DRIVE
DIFFERENTIAL GEARING.
Overall experience has shown us that the 455 likes 4.55 to 1 final
drive ratio when you do not tow anything heavy, 3.70 to 1 if you do. The
403 engine, being somewhat Oversquare, prefers to rev a bit higher. 3.70 to
1 if you don't tow anything heavy, and 4.10 to 1 if you do.
If you still use a Quadrajet carb, stay with the jetting and settings
that GMC put in to the coach when it left the factory. Do not substitute
metering rods from passenger cars or lean down the main jets. It will get
very expensive, very quickly if you do.
If you go with the EBL fuel injection, stay with what Randy VanWinkle
and George tell you. Part throttle lean cruise with a very light load will
drive your exhaust gas temperatures out of range very quickly. Remember,
when there is no oxygen present in exhaust gasses, even at very high (over
3000 degrees) there will not be much damage to the valves or seats. BUT,
when oxygen is present, the valves and seats will be damaged, even at very
much lower temperatures. That is one big reason not to have leaking exhaust
manifold gaskets or open headers. Reversion of gasses will introduce oxygen
into the valve areas and oxidation will happen quickly. Like turning on the
oxygen valve on a cutting torch. Same amount of acetylene at the same flow
rate and pressure, but more oxygen results in cutting through 1/2" steel
plate like butter. Similar stuff happens inside your engine when you
introduce too much oxygen to the combustion process.
Just some of what I have learned the hard way. You don't have to. Just
listen and learn.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Bill Wevers wrote:
> My coach used to get 7.5MPG with 130,000 miles on the engine, stock gears
> and rebuilt carb.
> I recently put in a new engine and added a Manny power drive (like 3.50
> gears).
> With the same carb I get 9 MPG. The manifold vacuum is ~13 inches when
> cruising at 60MPH.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Carb settings apt adjust [message #297538 is a reply to message #297536] |
Thu, 17 March 2016 12:38 |
emerystora
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Jim
Did you mean to say 3.55 instead of 4.55?
Emery Stora
> On Mar 17, 2016, at 11:16 AM, James Hupy wrote:
>
> I know that I have mentioned this several times on the GMCNet and at
> Rallies where I have been a presenter and during round table discussions.
> But for the new guys I will repeat my self. THE SINGLE MOST COST EFFECTIVE
> IMPROVEMENT THAT YOU CAN DO TO YOUR COACH IS TO CHANGE THE FINAL DRIVE
> GEARING. THIS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED AT LEAST TWO WAYS. ONE IS IN THE PRIMARY
> DRIVE CHAINCASE IN THE TRANSMISSION, AND THE OTHER IS IN THE FINAL DRIVE
> DIFFERENTIAL GEARING.
> Overall experience has shown us that the 455 likes 4.55 to 1 final
> drive ratio when you do not tow anything heavy, 3.70 to 1 if you do. The
> 403 engine, being somewhat Oversquare, prefers to rev a bit higher. 3.70 to
> 1 if you don't tow anything heavy, and 4.10 to 1 if you do.
> If you still use a Quadrajet carb, stay with the jetting and settings
> that GMC put in to the coach when it left the factory. Do not substitute
> metering rods from passenger cars or lean down the main jets. It will get
> very expensive, very quickly if you do.
> If you go with the EBL fuel injection, stay with what Randy VanWinkle
> and George tell you. Part throttle lean cruise with a very light load will
> drive your exhaust gas temperatures out of range very quickly. Remember,
> when there is no oxygen present in exhaust gasses, even at very high (over
> 3000 degrees) there will not be much damage to the valves or seats. BUT,
> when oxygen is present, the valves and seats will be damaged, even at very
> much lower temperatures. That is one big reason not to have leaking exhaust
> manifold gaskets or open headers. Reversion of gasses will introduce oxygen
> into the valve areas and oxidation will happen quickly. Like turning on the
> oxygen valve on a cutting torch. Same amount of acetylene at the same flow
> rate and pressure, but more oxygen results in cutting through 1/2" steel
> plate like butter. Similar stuff happens inside your engine when you
> introduce too much oxygen to the combustion process.
> Just some of what I have learned the hard way. You don't have to. Just
> listen and learn.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR
> 78 GMC Royale 403
>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Bill Wevers wrote:
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>> My coach used to get 7.5MPG with 130,000 miles on the engine, stock gears
>> and rebuilt carb.
>> I recently put in a new engine and added a Manny power drive (like 3.50
>> gears).
>> With the same carb I get 9 MPG. The manifold vacuum is ~13 inches when
>> cruising at 60MPH.
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Carb settings apt adjust [message #297541 is a reply to message #297538] |
Thu, 17 March 2016 12:50 |
James Hupy
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Emery, thank you for catching MY ERROR. YES, I meant 3.55 to 1. Not what I
said but what I meant. Good to see someone reads what I write.
Jim Hupy
On Mar 17, 2016 10:39 AM, "Emery Stora" wrote:
> Jim
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> Did you mean to say 3.55 instead of 4.55?
>
> Emery Stora
>
>> On Mar 17, 2016, at 11:16 AM, James Hupy wrote:
>>
>> I know that I have mentioned this several times on the GMCNet and at
>> Rallies where I have been a presenter and during round table discussions.
>> But for the new guys I will repeat my self. THE SINGLE MOST COST
> EFFECTIVE
>> IMPROVEMENT THAT YOU CAN DO TO YOUR COACH IS TO CHANGE THE FINAL DRIVE
>> GEARING. THIS CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED AT LEAST TWO WAYS. ONE IS IN THE
> PRIMARY
>> DRIVE CHAINCASE IN THE TRANSMISSION, AND THE OTHER IS IN THE FINAL DRIVE
>> DIFFERENTIAL GEARING.
>> Overall experience has shown us that the 455 likes 4.55 to 1 final
>> drive ratio when you do not tow anything heavy, 3.70 to 1 if you do. The
>> 403 engine, being somewhat Oversquare, prefers to rev a bit higher. 3.70
> to
>> 1 if you don't tow anything heavy, and 4.10 to 1 if you do.
>> If you still use a Quadrajet carb, stay with the jetting and settings
>> that GMC put in to the coach when it left the factory. Do not substitute
>> metering rods from passenger cars or lean down the main jets. It will get
>> very expensive, very quickly if you do.
>> If you go with the EBL fuel injection, stay with what Randy VanWinkle
>> and George tell you. Part throttle lean cruise with a very light load
> will
>> drive your exhaust gas temperatures out of range very quickly. Remember,
>> when there is no oxygen present in exhaust gasses, even at very high
> (over
>> 3000 degrees) there will not be much damage to the valves or seats. BUT,
>> when oxygen is present, the valves and seats will be damaged, even at
> very
>> much lower temperatures. That is one big reason not to have leaking
> exhaust
>> manifold gaskets or open headers. Reversion of gasses will introduce
> oxygen
>> into the valve areas and oxidation will happen quickly. Like turning on
> the
>> oxygen valve on a cutting torch. Same amount of acetylene at the same
> flow
>> rate and pressure, but more oxygen results in cutting through 1/2" steel
>> plate like butter. Similar stuff happens inside your engine when you
>> introduce too much oxygen to the combustion process.
>> Just some of what I have learned the hard way. You don't have to. Just
>> listen and learn.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, OR
>> 78 GMC Royale 403
>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Bill Wevers wrote:
>>>
>>> My coach used to get 7.5MPG with 130,000 miles on the engine, stock
> gears
>>> and rebuilt carb.
>>> I recently put in a new engine and added a Manny power drive (like 3.50
>>> gears).
>>> With the same carb I get 9 MPG. The manifold vacuum is ~13 inches when
>>> cruising at 60MPH.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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Re: [GMCnet] Carb settings apt adjust [message #297559 is a reply to message #297557] |
Thu, 17 March 2016 17:36 |
James Hupy
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Thanks Jim. Most of my posts are intended to be informational. I plead
guilty to stepping on some toes on more than one occasion. I plead guilty
to being a smart ass, as well. But, I guess working in a Prison for many
years has had its effect. But, I do like to help keep these old GMC Coaches
going.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Mar 17, 2016 3:24 PM, "Jim Galbavy" wrote:
> JimH,
>
> You're making a big assumption that I can read and write real good.
> I can write my own name and a couple words. I do better with pictures
> and drawings. ....and I can be hands on too(sometimes)(maybe).
>
> Taking ANNIE out with the SUNSHINE STATESMEN tomorrow. 'supposed to rain
> some, so I'll be able to check for leaks.
>
> Keep writing, I enjoy what you have to say.
>
> jim galbavy
> '73 x-CL ANNIE
> Lake Mary, Fl
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Re: Carb settings apt adjust [message #297568 is a reply to message #297520] |
Thu, 17 March 2016 20:56 |
Dennis S
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Tyler
No expert here -- but have you looked at this How To? It discusses how to adjust the different apt.
http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/How_to_rebuild_a_Rochester_Quadrajet_4MV_carburetor
And this specific to the GMC
http://www.gmcws.org/Tech/quadrajet/index_files/frame.htm
Does this help?
Dennis
Tilerpep wrote on Thu, 17 March 2016 09:02Does the picture on page 32 of the following q-jet write up match expert opinion on what should be happening with power valve height in primary venturis on an "RV cam" otherwise stock 455?
http://www.corvette-restoration.com/resources/technical_papers/Q-Jet_Carb_Tuning.pdf
My rods are no where near that deep. Movement marks from the jet on the rod are showing just barely gets near the taper fat part, much less sits within it.
Backstory if you want to keep reading:
Many attempts (2 years) at getting my gas mileage up from 6 and 7 mpg and occasional but persistent overheating. Those two symptoms, plus nozzle drip and just barely a hint of surge/unevenness at idle. I bought a second carb (correct number but center section warped) to compare and learn from, and did a bunch of reading here and general web.
Several of our experts over time have recommended that I check the power valve movement, and it always moved, so we moved on. Now, I am thinking it is not seating far enough down. Both carbs I have are the pre-1975 style that have the APT adjust screw press fit covered. I pulled one press fit cover off the extra carb and voila, another q-jet adjustment.
I read that you can't mix rods from 1973 carb and 1975 carbs, as they used different lengths. I read this on a non GMC site, and not sure if our carbs were consistent over their production run. This got me thinking about rod height and seating more than simply stuck or not stuck. Next thought was that even if the non-oem rebuild kit gasket I have been using on these multiple rebuilds and cleanings are even a bit too thin, that is the same as adjusting the APT up (because the stop is on the bottom plate and the power piston comes down from the middle section, gasket thickness and density would affect this), which causes rich at all but heavy loads (when power piston would rise fully as expected).
My inexact method of verifying has been to mount carb bottom plate to center section with gasket, then observe jets in position while manually pushing the power valve all the way down.
And the full confession paragraph is that I hypothesized this before I learned of the press fit covered adjustment at the front of the bottom plate (next to pcv vacuum port). Many web sites said "early carbs" had no adjustment and I thought that was me. Apparently some 1960s carbs had no adjustment, early seventies had this factory sealed adjustment, and post 1975 had one geared up to the top of the carb for access without disassembly. So, on my good carb I literal persuaded the apt adjuster down with some hammer and screwdriver intricacies. ahem. put it all back together and first time ever absolutely no nozzle drip on passenger side, idle mixture screws behaving as expected and can kill motor. So it seems I am on right track and need to adjust with proper APT turn screw. Thus, the question of where the rods should sit.
Will I need to re-seal that adjuster hole? It does not seem that much vacuum could get by the adjuster screw.
TIA
Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
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Re: Carb settings apt adjust [message #297585 is a reply to message #297520] |
Fri, 18 March 2016 08:21 |
Tilerpep
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That crankshaft coalition link is very detailed, very helpful. Still learning. Yesterday a little progress with carb on coach. I bought a second carb to learn from, and one thing trying to verify/understand realized the choke adjusting rod, and the fuel pump rods on mine were bent and diagrams and beater carb were straight. This changed how high the pump sits at rest and the amount of tension the choke mechanism could put on the choke in full open. Also messed around with timing, and mixture screws. Nozzle drip at idle 98% gone for first time ever. So, for those watching at home: I have barely lowered float height from spec, put mixture screws about 3 turns out (and swapped a screw from beater carb because mine was so loose conjectured air leak), advanced timing to 13 base, straightened external adjusting rods, and barely barely lowered apt adjuster. Today I am picking up a pcv valve, as the idle drops about 50-100 when I pinch that hose. Every other hose pinched off makes no difference to idle sound, or vacuum reading.
As far as mpg, I have a rebuilt motor with 8000 miles on it, and 3.55 gears, both put in by previous owner in 2001. No way should this setup get 5 and 6 mpg.
Keep the ideas coming - it encourages as well as informs
1975 Glenbrook, 1978 Royale rear bath
Raleigh, NC
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Re: Carb settings apt adjust [message #297588 is a reply to message #297520] |
Fri, 18 March 2016 08:35 |
JohnL455
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I would say to put rods, jets, hanger and spring back to stock. Then drive with an exhaust gas sniffer. Stock should get you within one step of optimal then confirm with sniffer other than wild guessing. Should make short work of the issue.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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Re: [GMCnet] Carb settings apt adjust [message #297635 is a reply to message #297536] |
Fri, 18 March 2016 22:11 |
George Beckman
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James Hupy wrote on Thu, 17 March 2016 10:16Remember,
when there is no oxygen present in exhaust gasses, even at very high (over
3000 degrees) there will not be much damage to the valves or seats. BUT,
when oxygen is present, the valves and seats will be damaged, even at very
much lower temperatures. That is one big reason not to have leaking exhaust
manifold gaskets or open headers. Reversion of gasses will introduce oxygen
into the valve areas and oxidation will happen quickly. Like turning on the
oxygen valve on a cutting torch. Same amount of acetylene at the same flow
rate and pressure, but more oxygen results in cutting through 1/2" steel
plate like butter. Similar stuff happens inside your engine when you
introduce too much oxygen to the combustion process.
Just some of what I have learned the hard way. You don't have to. Just
listen and learn.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
And, finally I understand why auto manufacturers go for the rich fuel mixture to save engine parts. I knew lots of fuel reduces the combustion temperature. No one ever told me it was helping to make sure the O2 was used up. I have been wondering for years why H2O was not used instead of rich mixtures.(I have read that it lowers temps and was used in WWII to save fuel during take off, etc.) I have even used cutting torches and have seen the effect of hitting the O2 valve. This has been a DUH! moment for my little brain.
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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Re: Carb settings apt adjust [message #297637 is a reply to message #297520] |
Sat, 19 March 2016 01:14 |
Gadabout
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Hi Tyler,
Sounds like your getting close with the carb settings. With patience you can fine tune the Rochester and have a smooth and responsive carb.
Most books and websites will tell you that the adjustable part throttle (APT) is set at the factor and not intended to be adjusted but as other parts wear out over 40 years of use, why not play with it.
Not sure what you mean buy using a hammer and screwdriver for the ATP adjuster. It does screw in/out but needs a slotted tool to adjust. I use a Hex Head T-Handle with a slot cut into the tip.
Here is a Kit to make the adjuster accessible : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl7s9S394xU
Following the instructions here will help fine tune your settings: http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/How_to_rebuild_a_Rochester_Quadrajet_4MV_carburetor#APT_adjustment
The power piston spring and jets can also contribute to the symptom you described. I usually change these on any carb I am rebuilding.
Carb jets can make a huge difference especially at higher altitudes. Brent Covey provides some good insight on Carb Jetting and tuning for the GMC Motorhome here: http://gmcmotorhome.info/engine.html
At my home elevation of 2000 ft I run 72 jets, and will drop to 70 when going on Ski Trips that take us above 5000ft or increase 74 for sea level runs.
Have fun with the project.
Carl Harr : Driver NASCAR Pro Series #2
1978 Gadabout-Restoring
1978 Palm Beach
1976 Glenbrook
Prevost Featherlite H3-45
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Re: Carb settings apt adjust [message #297714 is a reply to message #297637] |
Sun, 20 March 2016 08:58 |
Chris Tyler
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Not sure what you mean buy using a hammer and screwdriver for the ATP adjuster. It does screw in/out but needs a slotted tool to adjust. I use a Hex Head T-Handle with a slot cut into the tip.
Gadabout, I think he was referring to the power piston/rods. I would make sure that is moving freely. May be some kind of gunk holding it up. Don't get carried away with the emory cloth though.
Here is a Kit to make the adjuster accessible : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl7s9S394xU
Have done this many times without the kit. Be careful to blow out all the chips from tapping. Also, Id recommend a little anti seize or permatex #2 on the plug. You don't need to over tighten.
The power piston spring and jets can also contribute to the symptom you described. I usually change these on any carb I am rebuilding.
Definitely check it. How much idle vacuum do you have? Stock should be ok with an RV type cam. Radical cams on the street you have to use a very light spring to keep the piston down at idle.
76 Glenbrook
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Re: Carb settings apt adjust [message #297715 is a reply to message #297520] |
Sun, 20 March 2016 09:22 |
JohnL455
Messages: 4447 Registered: October 2006 Location: Woodstock, IL
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The video guy is a real hack with the tap. Dry, not reversing to clear chips and not using a tap handle. Cring.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
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