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Wed, 09 March 2016 09:34  |
gibsongo
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Hello All,
Suppose I should have expected this given the poor state of the frame, but both fuel tanks on my coach appear to be rusted to the point of no return. Initially they looked good, but that's because they had been repaired with brazing and coated in epoxy. Cleaning them up revealed pinholes, splitting seams, rust inside, etc. I know Applied GMC and Golby sell new tanks, but after paying for shipping, duty, and converting the USD to Canadian pesos, I am looking at north of $3,000 CAD for a set - plus another $500 CAD to replace the rusted senders.
Just wondering whether any Canadian GMCers have any "local" ideas - cheap metal fabricators? Tank RENU? One company in Toronto (Gas Tank Exchange) quoted $725/tank to rehab them - which sounds pricey unless it comes with a guarantee. Who knows - perhaps someone out there either north or south of the border might have a set of used tanks in reasonable condition for sale?
Thanks in advance
Gordon Gibson
1976 23' Norris Upfit
Montreal West, Qc. Canada
Gordon Gibson
1976 23" Norris Upfit
Montreal West, Quebec, Canada
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| Re: Rusted Gas Tanks [message #296992 is a reply to message #296989] |
Wed, 09 March 2016 09:51  |
77Royale
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It looks like a 10 hour one way drive but Cinnabar in Sandusky MI Im pretty sure has new tanks. A friend of mine got two last year. Not sure on the duty for those.
but its another option I suppose.
Ive heard mixed reviews about the renue places. Same friend had his done and the insides turned to goo. Hence the new tanks.
77 Royale, Rear Dry Bath. 403, 3.55 Final Drive, Lenzi goodies, Patterson carb and dizzy.
Mid Michigan
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| Re: Rusted Gas Tanks [message #296993 is a reply to message #296989] |
Wed, 09 March 2016 10:02 |
gibsongo
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Hi 77 Royale,
Thanks for the answer. I hoped Cinnabar would have tanks since they are not far from Frank Borrmann's garage (Bluevale Ontario) where the coach is being worked on. But I phoned them yesterday and they didn't carry tanks. They were the ones who referred be to Tank Renu.
Gordon Gibson
1976 23' Norris Upfit
Montreal West, Quebec, Canada
Gordon Gibson
1976 23" Norris Upfit
Montreal West, Quebec, Canada
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| Re: Rusted Gas Tanks [message #296997 is a reply to message #296989] |
Wed, 09 March 2016 11:48 |
bwevers
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Manny has a new stainless steel single tank that replaces
the two original tanks...
Bill Wevers GMC49ers, GMC Western States
1975 Glenbrook - Manny Powerdrive, OneTon
455 F Block, G heads
San Jose
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| Re: Rusted Gas Tanks [message #296998 is a reply to message #296989] |
Wed, 09 March 2016 11:53 |
rcjordan
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>manny
Still not on the website, or not that I could find.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
76 Birchaven Coachmen Side Wet Bath
76 Eleganza
Elizabeth City, NC
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| Re: Rusted Gas Tanks [message #296999 is a reply to message #296996] |
Wed, 09 March 2016 11:56 |
77Royale
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Thanks Matt.
Good to know about the used tanks, and possibly some new options if needed.
77 Royale, Rear Dry Bath. 403, 3.55 Final Drive, Lenzi goodies, Patterson carb and dizzy.
Mid Michigan
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| Re: Rusted Gas Tanks [message #297001 is a reply to message #296989] |
Wed, 09 March 2016 12:13 |
kingd
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Gordon, there may not be "duty" on tanks coming from the USA due to the age of the
GMCMH. (1973-1978) Call the Canadian Agency responsible for imports and ask what the "duty"
is on "antique Auto parts" which the GMC qualifies for. You probably will still need to pay GST.
If United States Postal Service and Canada Post will handle something as big as a gas tank
you might not get dinged for GST. If I was buying 2 tanks I'd have them shipped a couple of weeks
apart.
DAVE KING
lurker, wannabe
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rusted Gas Tanks [message #297004 is a reply to message #296989] |
Wed, 09 March 2016 13:15 |
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Gordon,
I just Googled; "Sheet metal fabricators, Montreal, Canada" and came up with three hits,
Techmetal Inc
No reviews . Manufacturer
791 Avenue Lajoie . +1 514-420-0462
Holocene Solutions Inc
No reviews . Metal Fabricator
5745 Place Turcot . +1 514-933-6346
Murphco Metal En Feuille
No reviews . Sheet Metal Contractor
4955 Rue Brock . +1 514-937-3275
I'd suggest you take one of your tanks to one of these companies and see what they'll charge you to make two of them.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Gibson
Hello All,
Suppose I should have expected this given the poor state of the frame, but both fuel tanks on my coach appear to be rusted to the
point of no return.
Initially they looked good, but that's because they had been repaired with brazing and coated in epoxy. Cleaning them up revealed
pinholes, splitting seams, rust inside, etc. I know Applied GMC and Golby sell new tanks, but after paying for shipping, duty, and
converting the USD to Canadian pesos, I am looking at north of $3,000 CAD for a set - plus another $500 CAD to replace the rusted
senders.
Just wondering whether any Canadian GMCers have any "local" ideas - cheap metal fabricators? Tank RENU? One company in Toronto (Gas
Tank Exchange) quoted $725/tank to rehab them - which sounds pricey unless it comes with a guarantee. Who knows - perhaps someone
out there either north or south of the border might have a set of used tanks in reasonable condition for sale?
Thanks in advance
Gordon
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Rob M. (USAussie)
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| Re: Rusted Gas Tanks [message #297007 is a reply to message #297001] |
Wed, 09 March 2016 13:46 |
gibsongo
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KingD
Yes - you are right. Actually my understanding is that there would be no duty regardless of the age thanks to the North American Free Trade Agreement - provided that the item is made in the USA. I have had all my GMC-related stuff (Applied, Ragusa, Alex Sirum) shipped to the UPS store in Plattsburgh New York - typically by Fedex or UPS - and I go down and pick it up. But even with no duty, the 30% exchange rate these days plus 15% tax - plus shipping to the UPS store makes a set of new tanks fairly expensive!
Gordon
Gordon Gibson
1976 23" Norris Upfit
Montreal West, Quebec, Canada
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rusted Gas Tanks [message #297013 is a reply to message #297004] |
Wed, 09 March 2016 14:08 |
gibsongo
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Thanks Rob,
Unfortunately (well....fortunately in many ways) my coach is at Frank Borrmann's garage in Bluevale Ontario and I am in Montreal. Bringing the tanks to a fabricator in Montreal for a quote would involve a drive of about 800 KM each way. Frank has checked with local fabricators and said that the cost of building isn't that different from what Golby and Applied are asking for new ones.
I just got a quote from Tank Exchange in Toronto - rehabbing (cleaning, fixing holes and coating with some form of poly) would be $750 CAD (just over $500 USD) each. Gotta wonder if this makes sense, given that the tanks have already been rehabbed by the PO. The metal is paper thin in some areas.
Gordon
Gordon Gibson
1976 23" Norris Upfit
Montreal West, Quebec, Canada
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rusted Gas Tanks [message #297021 is a reply to message #297017] |
Wed, 09 March 2016 16:11 |
gibsongo
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Les,
Thank you very much for the lead - I sent Marcus McGee an email and am keeping my fingers crossed that he still has the coaches - and that one of them still has its tanks.
But just in case the response is negative, I am mentally trying to build a case for persuading you to part with your tanks. Let's see....First born son? Nope - too old and set in his ways. Besides he'd just eat you out of house and home. A pile of filthy lucre? Nope - not much of a motivator since I assume that's a given. Free investment and financial planning advice (what I did before retiring 6 months ago). Probably not - the disclaimers I would have to wrap it in would probably scare you away. A happier spouse as a result of "decluttering"? Perhaps a bit more promising - unless you are one of those lucky GMC owners with a barn or huge garage.
Would the argument that less fuel capacity means stopping more often - which is a good thing - work?
I'll let you know when I hear from Marcus, and thanks again.
Gordon
Gordon Gibson
1976 23" Norris Upfit
Montreal West, Quebec, Canada
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rusted Gas Tanks [message #297024 is a reply to message #297021] |
Wed, 09 March 2016 16:30 |
GMC.LES
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Gordon,
Hopefully you have success with Marcus. Last I spoke with him, he was trying to sell the parts coaches intact. He also may not have the ability to remove the tanks himself at his current location. Success may depend on how involved you want to get in the removal of the donor tanks.
You might also have a look at the black list. There used to be a fellow that had two gutted project coaches located on Atwater just north of the market. Those coaches were moved about 3 years ago, but the owner was still listed in the black list at the time. With recent revisions to the black list, he may have been removed. I don't recall his name so I can't be of much help trying to track him down. Maybe someone here still has an old version of the blacklist.
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
> On Mar 9, 2016, at 5:11 PM, Gordon Gibson wrote:
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> Les,
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> Thank you very much for the lead - I sent Marcus McGee an email and am keeping my fingers crossed that he still has the coaches - and that one of them
> still has its tanks.
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> But just in case the response is negative, I am mentally trying to build a case for persuading you to part with your tanks. Let's see....First born
> son? Nope - too old and set in his ways. Besides he'd just eat you out of house and home. A pile of filthy lucre? Nope - not much of a motivator
> since I assume that's a given. Free investment and financial planning advice (what I did before retiring 6 months ago). Probably not - the disclaimers
> I would have to wrap it in would probably scare you away. A happier spouse as a result of "decluttering"? Perhaps a bit more promising - unless you
> are one of those lucky GMC owners with a barn or huge garage.
>
> Would the argument that less fuel capacity means stopping more often - which is a good thing - work?
>
> I'll let you know when I hear from Marcus, and thanks again.
>
> Gordon
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rusted Gas Tanks [message #297132 is a reply to message #297024] |
Fri, 11 March 2016 10:11 |
gibsongo
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Les
Just to let you know that Marcus did get back to me and thinks he may have some tanks. He will take a look through his storage yard on the weekend and get back to me.
Thanks for the referral and I'll let you know how it turns out.
Gordon
Gordon Gibson
1976 23" Norris Upfit
Montreal West, Quebec, Canada
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rusted Gas Tanks [message #297134 is a reply to message #297049] |
Fri, 11 March 2016 10:13 |
gibsongo
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Thanks Bob. I'll keep that in mind. I guess the only thing that could be done here would be to slosh fuel tank sealant through the tube. The outside has been sandblasted prior to painting.
Gordon
Gordon Gibson
1976 23" Norris Upfit
Montreal West, Quebec, Canada
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rusted Gas Tanks [message #297135 is a reply to message #297134] |
Fri, 11 March 2016 10:25 |
77Royale
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For what its worth on the filler neck and tubes, I have had very satisfactory results using a product called Evaporust on smaller rusted gas tanks. Its water based, no nasty chemical smell and "better" for the environment. If you can remove the tube and seal up one end just pour it in and let it sit for a few days.
It worked wonders on an old Honda 4wheeler gas tank which was badly rusted on the inside. Took care of 99% of the issues.
I think it was 20 bucks for a gallon at autozone, and if its not too nasty coming out you can reuse it a few times. Works great on rusted tools if you can submerge them.
Just an idea.
77 Royale, Rear Dry Bath. 403, 3.55 Final Drive, Lenzi goodies, Patterson carb and dizzy.
Mid Michigan
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| Re: [GMCnet] Rusted Gas Tanks [message #297138 is a reply to message #297135] |
Fri, 11 March 2016 10:58 |
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77Royale wrote on Fri, 11 March 2016 10:25For what its worth on the filler neck and tubes, I have had very satisfactory results using a product called Evaporust on smaller rusted gas tanks. Its water based, no nasty chemical smell and "better" for the environment. If you can remove the tube and seal up one end just pour it in and let it sit for a few days.
It worked wonders on an old Honda 4wheeler gas tank which was badly rusted on the inside. Took care of 99% of the issues.
I think it was 20 bucks for a gallon at autozone, and if its not too nasty coming out you can reuse it a few times. Works great on rusted tools if you can submerge them.
Just an idea.
Once you derust, it's usually necessary to coat the parts or they rust again quickly. There are a ton of gas tank sealers out there... FWIW, I've had good luck with Red Kote. Not surprisingly, Amazon lists Evaporust as "frequently bought together" with Red Kote...
http://www.amazon.com/Red-Kote-Quart-Sealer-Diesel/dp/B009X0JOSM
Just make sure you give the Red Kote a long time to dry.. In the past, I've hooked up a small muffin fan to a length of dryer hose, then taped the hose to one of the openings on the tank for a few days, to speed up drying. Amazing what some airflow will do do drying times..
Mark S. '73 Painted Desert,
Manny 1 Ton Front End,
Howell Injection,
Leigh Harrison 4bag and Rear Brakes,
Fort Worth, TX
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