| [GMCnet] Question for European GMC Owners [message #294591] |
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USAussie
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G'day,
As noted in another email I purchased Kerry Pinkerton's Kingsley and I'm thinking of shipping it or Double Trouble to Europe.
I reckon the best place to store it would be in Spain or Portugal as the climate is benign. I checked the internet and it appeared
that I needed to be a resident of Portugal to register it there. As a double check I contacted an old Hamilton Standard Field Rep
buddy of mine that is based in Portugal and he confirmed that.
So, anybody GMC owners in Europe have any ideas where I can register it and yet store it in Portugal or Spain?
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
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| Re: [GMCnet] Question for European GMC Owners [message #294594 is a reply to message #294591] |
Thu, 28 January 2016 05:57  |
appie
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Robert
This is a general problem in Europe. You have to be a resident to register a vehicule
As registration taxes are very high in Denmark smart folkes have started a organisation in Germany, Flensborg to avoid paying this.
This organisation registers the vehicule in its name, while the person still is the legal owner. This means all paperwork including insurence aaa etc is in the name of the organisation. So no legal problems and very low cost.
The organisation has a warehouse in Flensborg offering storage in-and outside
Ofcourse such a coach will have to be conform local regulations and pass tests, these ar different country to country
The website is in danish http://www.imc-motorclub.dk/home.html.
Let me know if I have to translate parts of it.
Appie
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| Re: [GMCnet] Question for European GMC Owners [message #294595 is a reply to message #294594] |
Thu, 28 January 2016 05:59 |
appie
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Storing here in Portugal or Spain, in or outside is no problem. I have a few adresses offering this
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: [GMCnet] Question for European GMC Owners [message #294597 is a reply to message #294596] |
Thu, 28 January 2016 06:17 |
appie
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That is right Loffen. But that is when the vehicule is on the road and does not apply for storage. Anyway there is no way anybody can control that, so I would not worry about that
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: [GMCnet] Question for European GMC Owners [message #294600 is a reply to message #294599] |
Thu, 28 January 2016 07:33 |
appie
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As you can see it is not al that easy to have a coach in europe
Also the gmc would have to pass a test every year in the country it is registred only in Denmark it is 8 years for oldtimers. But Denmark is not the easiest country to register it in.
As Loffen implied (?) you can let somebode else own itfor registration, but that can give all kind of legal problems. In Germany it is possible to have it registered by someone who is not the legal owner
Complicated he
Anyway let us know who vi can help
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: [GMCnet] Question for European GMC Owners [message #294602 is a reply to message #294600] |
Thu, 28 January 2016 08:09 |
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Loffen
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Regarding the EU tests, Norway is not in the EU but we have a special agreements like EØS and schengen so we can travel and so on without any problems, but we do also have our own test for vehicles.
The tests in Europe and Norway are more or less identical as they use the same standard, however in Norway vehicles over 30 years old has tax exempts and MUCH simpler EU vehicle tests, this year there will be new rules 30 years vehicles will have to be inspected ever second year, vehicles over 35 years old NO inspections..
So lets see what you should pay in tax for a imported 30 year old vehicle, 25% of the sales price and shipping cost ( you bought it for $ 3000 and paid $ 2000 in shipping, total $ 5000 = $ 1250 in tax) first time registration and license plates including vehicle inspection. around $ 800.
yearly road/vehicle tax $ 60, Insurance $ 120
And that is it  How much in Denmark Appie ?
1973 23' # 1848 Sky Blue Glacier called Baby Blue and a 1973 26'-3 # 1460 Parrot green Seqouia Known as the Big Green,
And sold my 1973 26'-2 # 581 White Canyon lands under the name Dobbelt trøbbel
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| Re: [GMCnet] Question for European GMC Owners [message #294604 is a reply to message #294602] |
Thu, 28 January 2016 08:34 |
appie
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Well ye
Theres are salestax and importtax
Establised is usd 2000 importtax for gmc. Salestax is normally 25% of the totalprice including freight etc. But there is a lower salestax for collectors items 5%. That might be used if you can persuade the customoffice that it indeed is a rare collectors item. That would be good as you then can move it al over the eu. Roadtax is usd 600 yearly and I pay alrisc insurense usd 600. And 200usd yearly for aaa
Btw dutch vehicules can now be tested in spain
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: [GMCnet] Question for European GMC Owners [message #294614 is a reply to message #294591] |
Thu, 28 January 2016 10:45 |
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Rob, whilst some brave souls like Appie use them in europe, many many roads there are simply too narrow and twisty for driving something that big to be even remotely pleasant.........and gas cost multiples of here make it an very expensive way to travel...
I'm a Scot and have driven a lot in france, and some roads are uncomfortable even in a normal sized car.....I wouldnt do it in a GMC.
Pete
USAussie wrote on Thu, 28 January 2016 04:50G'day,
As noted in another email I purchased Kerry Pinkerton's Kingsley and I'm thinking of shipping it or Double Trouble to Europe.
I reckon the best place to store it would be in Spain or Portugal as the climate is benign. I checked the internet and it appeared
that I needed to be a resident of Portugal to register it there. As a double check I contacted an old Hamilton Standard Field Rep
buddy of mine that is based in Portugal and he confirmed that.
So, anybody GMC owners in Europe have any ideas where I can register it and yet store it in Portugal or Spain?
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
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| Re: [GMCnet] Question for European GMC Owners [message #294617 is a reply to message #294614] |
Thu, 28 January 2016 10:58 |
appie
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Pete
I do not find that a problem. Yes there are roads I do not travel, but the local bus and renovation truck is bigger han I am
Do not be scared!
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: [GMCnet] Question for European GMC Owners [message #294618 is a reply to message #294614] |
Thu, 28 January 2016 11:11 |
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thesmith wrote on Thu, 28 January 2016 17:45Rob, whilst some brave souls like Appie use them in europe, many many roads there are simply too narrow and twisty for driving something that big to be even remotely pleasant.........and gas cost multiples of here make it an very expensive way to travel...
I'm a Scot and have driven a lot in france, and some roads are uncomfortable even in a normal sized car.....I wouldnt do it in a GMC.
Pete
USAussie wrote on Thu, 28 January 2016 04:50G'day,
As noted in another email I purchased Kerry Pinkerton's Kingsley and I'm thinking of shipping it or Double Trouble to Europe.
I reckon the best place to store it would be in Spain or Portugal as the climate is benign. I checked the internet and it appeared
that I needed to be a resident of Portugal to register it there. As a double check I contacted an old Hamilton Standard Field Rep
buddy of mine that is based in Portugal and he confirmed that.
So, anybody GMC owners in Europe have any ideas where I can register it and yet store it in Portugal or Spain?
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
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What ???
The only reason for saying something like that must be no or little driving experience
1973 23' # 1848 Sky Blue Glacier called Baby Blue and a 1973 26'-3 # 1460 Parrot green Seqouia Known as the Big Green,
And sold my 1973 26'-2 # 581 White Canyon lands under the name Dobbelt trøbbel
in Norway
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| Re: [GMCnet] Question for European GMC Owners [message #294622 is a reply to message #294618] |
Thu, 28 January 2016 12:28 |
appie
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Thinking. Would it be possible to register in the us, some state without periodic testing and having a overseas insurence for the periods you will be driving ?
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: [GMCnet] Question for European GMC Owners [message #294623 is a reply to message #294602] |
Thu, 28 January 2016 12:44 |
Olly Schmidt
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I imported a Miata in 1994 from the US and did not need to pay a single
cent on import duties or taxes, as it was moving belongings from the US
to Germany. One of the reasons I register the GMC in the US on my name
is exactly that: When I move the GMC over to Germany, I don't want to
pay taxes.
Germany has historic vehicle registration as well, as long as they are
really in the original historic state, can be quite tricky.
We also have special (read cheaper) insurance for RVs in Germland. The
technical check every two years is a nuisance. Also, if you have LPG on
board, the system needs to certified every so many years.
I found this on importing historical cars:
-- google translate might be your friend.
One thing that might be of help is: You can import a car into the EU
through any EU country, and register it later on in a different EU
country. As the above page says, many Germans import their cars through
the NL, as the NL seems to be much more lenient when it comes to
historic vehicles.
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Thu, 28 January 2016 15:59 |
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USAussie
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Pete,
Thank you for your input.
Please be advised that I was based in Paris from 1978 - 1981; owned a Peugeot 504 which I drove all over Europe and am fully aware
of the goat track roads that exist as I have driven on them. I drove from Paris, through Andorra, to Madrid, to Malaga, up to
Valencia, Barcelona, and back to Paris.
In recent years Helen and I have rented cars in Paris and driven to Milan and back; London and driven to Glasgow and back, Dublin
and driven down to the Ring of Kerry and back.
As far as driving a GMC on them I just pulled out the Kummerly & Frey road map of France I used back when I was based in Paris (yes
I saved it) and I note it has a legend in the bottom right corner that provides details on the roads. The goat tracks are skinny
black lines. Obviously I would plan my route to avoid them.
Actually I have the experience of driving Double Trouble on a goat track road in the USA as Helen wanted to take a scenic route one
day (I can't remember where it was), however, I did it for about 20 miles or so to please her but that night at dinner she said SHE
would never take us down one of those roads again as it was too scary sitting in the passenger seat.
As far as the cost goes Helen was of Scotch - Irish descent and was the one that saved money, I often told her I intended to die
broke! Now that she's gone I will do my level best to achieve that goal. We didn't have any children so I don't have anyone to leave
my estate to other than charities.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Smith
Rob, whilst some brave souls like Appie use them in europe, many many roads there are simply too narrow and twisty for driving
something that big to be even remotely pleasant.........and gas cost multiples of here make it an very expensive way to travel...
I'm a Scot and have driven a lot in france, and some roads are uncomfortable even in a normal sized car.....I wouldnt do it in a
GMC.
Pete
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| Re: [GMCnet] Question for European GMC Owners [message #294636 is a reply to message #294629] |
Thu, 28 January 2016 16:08 |
Olly Schmidt
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Well, as Lenze has written before, nearly every little crook and cranny
of Europe is served by some kind of bus or garbage truck. If they can
get everywhere, so can the GMC :D
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