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Wed, 20 January 2016 03:59  |
Glover, Brian K.
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Hello all.
I am wanting to find and install an awning on my 26 foot GMC, not sure where to get it or exactly what length I may need ? also would like to hear how others installed theres ? such as where it mounts up top ? and how you secured it to the top ? bolts, screws ? etc....
I would really like anyones imput on this and hopefully pictures ! visual aid always helps !!
Thanks,
Brian
Brian G.
Griffin Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] awnings ? [message #294097 is a reply to message #294095] |
Wed, 20 January 2016 05:43  |
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We supply the Zip Dee awning that is designed for GMC coach.
The curved side is the major issue the other manufactures prefer not to
supply their units.
We sell A & E and CareFree as well, but for other coaches.
Zip comes standard with the Sunbrella fabric and Aluminum shield cover
standard .
On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 1:59 AM, wrote:
> Hello all.
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> I am wanting to find and install an awning on my 26 foot GMC, not sure
> where to get it or exactly what length I may need ? also would like to hear
> how
> others installed theres ? such as where it mounts up top ? and how you
> secured it to the top ? bolts, screws ? etc....
> I would really like anyones imput on this and hopefully pictures ! visual
> aid always helps !!
> Thanks,
> Brian
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> Griffin Ga.
> 1978 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] awnings ? [message #294106 is a reply to message #294095] |
Wed, 20 January 2016 08:26 |
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Back in the early 60's Mr Henry Duda designed an awning to fit Airstream trailers and formed the ZipDee company. He modified it a little when GM came out with the GMC motor home. Can you see where the name came from? Zip-pa-dee-do-da the Walt Disney song from The Song of the South.
I met Henry at early FMCA rallies and I've been to the factory at Elk Grove Village, IL which is near O'Hare airport. They will install it for you there. I have owned several ZipDees. The first was on my 1969 Travco.
It has been the premier awning for the GMC. There are several dealers around the country. Jim Kanomata of Applied GMC in Newark,CA is one of them.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Jan 20, 2016, at 2:59 AM, Glover@mac.com wrote:
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> Hello all.
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> I am wanting to find and install an awning on my 26 foot GMC, not sure where to get it or exactly what length I may need ? also would like to hear how
> others installed theres ? such as where it mounts up top ? and how you secured it to the top ? bolts, screws ? etc....
> I would really like anyones imput on this and hopefully pictures ! visual aid always helps !!
> Thanks,
> Brian
> --
> Brian G.
> Griffin Ga.
> 1978 Eleganza II
> 404-729-9111
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| Re: [GMCnet] awnings ? [message #294107 is a reply to message #294106] |
Wed, 20 January 2016 08:47 |
Glover, Brian K.
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Thanks, for the information ! I will look into ZipDee !!
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] awnings ?
Back in the early 60's Mr Henry Duda designed an awning to fit Airstream trailers and formed the ZipDee company. He modified it a little when GM came out with the GMC motor home. Can you see where the name came from? Zip-pa-dee-do-da the Walt Disney song from The Song of the South.
I met Henry at early FMCA rallies and I've been to the factory at Elk Grove Village, IL which is near O'Hare airport. They will install it for you there. I have owned several ZipDees. The first was on my 1969 Travco.
It has been the premier awning for the GMC. There are several dealers around the country. Jim Kanomata of Applied GMC in Newark,CA is one of them.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Jan 20, 2016, at 2:59 AM, Glover@mac.com wrote:
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> Hello all.
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> I am wanting to find and install an awning on my 26 foot GMC, not sure where to get it or exactly what length I may need ? also would like to hear how
> others installed theres ? such as where it mounts up top ? and how you secured it to the top ? bolts, screws ? etc....
> I would really like anyones imput on this and hopefully pictures ! visual aid always helps !!
> Thanks,
> Brian
> --
> Brian G.
> Griffin Ga.
> 1978 Eleganza II
> 404-729-9111
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| Re: awnings ? [message #294108 is a reply to message #294095] |
Wed, 20 January 2016 08:55 |
lqqkatjon
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I am guessing other manufacturers are similar, but my only experience is with the zip dee.
an awning rail is fastened a couple inches above the rain drip rail on the roof. It should be fastened with closed pop rivets.
http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Molding-RV2033AW16-Arctic-Awning/dp/B007HRSXT4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1453301312&sr=8-3&keywords=awning+ra il
there is a "flex track" that is basically a piece of fabric with a rope sewn into the ends, and with the zip dee, that one side goes into the awning rail, the other into the #1 aluminum slat. I think non-zip dee awnings, the end of the fabric has the rope sewed in goes into the awning rail.
then on both ends there are two brackets that mount just below the bottom edge of the drip rail, that are used to secure the awning against the coach when the awning is retracted.
then lower is the mounts that the arms are attached to. Both the brackets that hold the awning in transport, and the lower mounts that hold the arm, line up are screwed into the framing member that you see just behind the passenger window, and just behind the rear side window, where the cap is. on the lower mount, 2 screws will go into that framing structure, and you pop rivit a third mount.
There are plenty of photos out there if you look on the photo site. a zip dee is spendy, but it will normally outlast the coach. I installed a zip dee, that i found used, that i know was made prior to 89, and it looks, and works just fine.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: awnings ? [message #294109 is a reply to message #294095] |
Wed, 20 January 2016 09:28 |
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If you settle on a "Zip-Dee" awning, you will note that the awning rail is not long enough to go the full length of the coach. So, there has to be a joint somewhere. On my coach, the joint (installed by PO) was directly above the entrance door. Every time it rained, and especially in a hard rain, water ran exactly over the middle of the door, so that we got wet just walking out of the door. Murphy was hard at work when this awning was installed. If you can, at a minimum, plan the joint in front of or behind the door way. If that is not possible, using aplastic or rubber mallet, hit the end of the rail and drive the two pieces tight together, and finish it off with a *little* calk. Now a dry entrance.... JWID
Larry 
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
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| Re: [GMCnet] awnings ? [message #294110 is a reply to message #294108] |
Wed, 20 January 2016 09:39 |
Glover, Brian K.
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I just now started to look into it, I was really curious about how the to top and bottom ( mainly top ) brackets secured to the motorhome ( bolts, screws, rivets ) I did see a good way to get a nut on a bolt without pulling down the headliner ? so what you are saying it the 2 top brackets will screw into the frame ? and the other strip that runs the length of the coach is riveted above the drip rail ?
I will look into it further when I get back home and look at the motorhome !
Thanks, for the details I will also search for more photos !!
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jon Roche
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] awnings ?
I am guessing other manufacturers are similar, but my only experience is with the zip dee.
an awning rail is fastened a couple inches above the rain drip rail on the roof. It should be fastened with closed pop rivets.
http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Molding-RV2033AW16-Arctic-Awning/dp/B007HRSXT4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1453301312&sr=8-3&keywords=awning+ra il
there is a "flex track" with the zip dee, that one side goes into the awning rail, the other into the #1 aluminum slat. I think non-zip dee awnings,
the end of the fabric goes into the awning rail.
then on both ends there are two brackets that mount just below the bottom edge of the drip rail, that are used to secure the awning against the coach
when the awning is retracted.
then lower is the mounts that the arms are attached to. Both the brackets that hold the awning in transport, and the lower mounts that hold the arm,
line up are screwed into the framing member that you see just behind the passenger window, and just behind the rear side window, where the cap is.
on the lower mount, 2 screws will go into that framing structure, and you pop rivit a third mount.
There are plenty of photos out there if you look on the photo site. a zip dee is spendy, but it will normally outlast the coach. I installed a
zip dee, that i found used, that i know was made prior to 89, and it looks, and works just fine.
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Jon Roche
75 palm beach
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] awnings ? [message #294111 is a reply to message #294108] |
Wed, 20 January 2016 09:43 |
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How long is your awning ? so I can also search used ?
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] awnings ?
I am guessing other manufacturers are similar, but my only experience is with the zip dee.
an awning rail is fastened a couple inches above the rain drip rail on the roof. It should be fastened with closed pop rivets.
http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Molding-RV2033AW16-Arctic-Awning/dp/B007HRSXT4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1453301312&sr=8-3&keywords=awning+ra il
there is a "flex track" with the zip dee, that one side goes into the awning rail, the other into the #1 aluminum slat. I think non-zip dee awnings,
the end of the fabric goes into the awning rail.
then on both ends there are two brackets that mount just below the bottom edge of the drip rail, that are used to secure the awning against the coach
when the awning is retracted.
then lower is the mounts that the arms are attached to. Both the brackets that hold the awning in transport, and the lower mounts that hold the arm,
line up are screwed into the framing member that you see just behind the passenger window, and just behind the rear side window, where the cap is.
on the lower mount, 2 screws will go into that framing structure, and you pop rivit a third mount.
There are plenty of photos out there if you look on the photo site. a zip dee is spendy, but it will normally outlast the coach. I installed a
zip dee, that i found used, that i know was made prior to 89, and it looks, and works just fine.
--
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] awnings ? [message #294116 is a reply to message #294109] |
Wed, 20 January 2016 11:12 |
Emery Stora
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Someone probably cut your extrusion so that it could be shipped. Mine is one piece. Years ago I had picked it up from the factory and installed it myself.
I have never seen one that has a cut in it. Perhaps most dealers get them shipped by truck so that long pieces can be shipped.
Emery Stora
> On Jan 20, 2016, at 8:28 AM, Larry wrote:
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> If you settle on a "Zip-Dee" awning, you will note that the awning rail is not long enough to go the full length of the coach. So, there has to be a
> joint somewhere. On my coach, the joint (installed by PO) was directly above the entrance door. Every time it rained, and especially in a hard rain,
> water ran exactly over the middle of the door, so that we got wet just walking out of the door. Murphy was hard at work when this awning was
> installed. If you can, at a minimum, plan the joint in front of or behind the door way. If that is not possible, using aplastic or rubber mallet, hit
> the end of the rail and drive the two pieces tight together, and finish it off with a *little* calk. Now a dry entrance.... JWID
> --
> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: awnings ? [message #294120 is a reply to message #294095] |
Wed, 20 January 2016 14:24 |
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Larry probably did have one that was shipped, or someone decided to "split the difference" Standard awning rail is 16' long, and you need about 18' and a couple inches for the GMC/Zip dee. I installed one complete strip, and cut what i needed off a second awning rail. I still have most of the other rail hanging in the garage, so I would guess my seam is either just above my dinnette window toward the front, or just above the rear windows(2 feet or so from either side.
the rail is held on best by sealed end rivets. I used an air rivet gun, and when they pop, they are pretty much sealed. I did use some sealant on them anyways. Normal rivets have a hold through the center, that would allow water to penetrate.
Example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/400580151873?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82
also used one on each of the outside hole for the lower brackets.
rest of awning is pre-drill, and use a sheet metal screw that was provided with awning. Pretty solid fit, and should not need to have a bolt.
other item to be aware of is the rear marker light needs to be relocated. The end of awning rail will sit right over where that light is supposed to be , and then you will need to also seal the hole. Epoxy works well. careful and do not pull on the wires, just fish wires over to new marker light location, carefully connect to existing, then push them in. The wire is foamed in, and if you pull on the wire of that light, you will just disconnect a plug that you can't get to. Solution to that is to fish new wires all the way down to your tail light, or remove the headliner in rear. Otherwise just go without that marker light. The wire should not short out, because it is in fiberglass/foam area. Almost easier just to remove that marker light entirely.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] awnings ? [message #294124 is a reply to message #294120] |
Wed, 20 January 2016 15:30 |
Emery Stora
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Jon
If you buy the rail from the ZipDee factory they will make one to whatever length you need.
They are not limited to 16’. They will cut extrusions to length. The awning for the 26’ GMC is 17’ 11-1/2”. So they supply one just over 18’.
They can make awning rail extrusions much longer than that for the big motorhomes such as Prevost, etc.
So, I guess that it all depends on who you get the rail from as to what is “standard”.
Emery Stora
> On Jan 20, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Jon Roche wrote:
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> Larry probably did have one that was shipped, or someone decided to "split the difference" Standard awning rail is 16' long, and you need about 18'
> and a couple inches for the GMC/Zip dee. I installed one complete strip, and cut what i needed off a second awning rail. I still have most of the
> other rail hanging in the garage, so I would guess my seam is either just above my dinnette window toward the front, or just above the rear windows(2
> feet or so from either side.
>
>
> the rail is held on best by sealed end rivets. I used an air rivet gun, and when they pop, they are pretty much sealed. I did use some sealant on
> them anyways. Normal rivets have a hold through the center, that would allow water to penetrate.
>
> Example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/400580151873?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82
>
> also used one on each of the outside hole for the lower brackets.
>
> rest of awning is pre-drill, and use a sheet metal screw that was provided with awning. Pretty solid fit, and should not need to have a bolt.
>
> other item to be aware of is the rear marker light needs to be relocated. The end of awning rail will sit right over where that light is supposed to
> be , and then you will need to also seal the hole. Epoxy works well. careful and do not pull on the wires, just fish wires over to new marker
> light location, carefully connect to existing, then push them in. The wire is foamed in, and if you pull on the wire of that light, you will just
> disconnect a plug that you can't get to. Solution to that is to fish new wires all the way down to your tail light, or remove the headliner in
> rear. Otherwise just go without that marker light. The wire should not short out, because it is in fiberglass/foam area. Almost easier just to
> remove that marker light entirely.
>
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> Jon Roche
> 75 palm beach
> St. Cloud, MN
> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] awnings ? [message #294126 is a reply to message #294124] |
Wed, 20 January 2016 17:44 |
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Emery,
The new ZipDee on our first coach that we installed in Spring of 2002 just before the Nashville GMCMI Convention was cut 18’ 1 & 3/4”. It was marked in felt tip marker on the inside of the aluminum cover. The roof mounting extrusion was one piece. We did find that we had to bend the lower arm extrusion on both the front and rear to clear the body without rubbing. We had purchased the awing and drivers side from Buskirk’s and maybe it was the size they specified? We did the install at Buskirk’s on a Saturday when they were closed and Max Pardy was doing the supervising the install on our coach and a canopy replacement on Tom Clarke’s coach off the books.
J.R. Wright
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1975 Avion (Under Reconstruction)
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> On Jan 20, 2016, at 2:30 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
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> Jon
> If you buy the rail from the ZipDee factory they will make one to whatever length you need.
> They are not limited to 16’. They will cut extrusions to length. The awning for the 26’ GMC is 17’ 11-1/2”. So they supply one just over 18’.
>
> They can make awning rail extrusions much longer than that for the big motorhomes such as Prevost, etc.
> So, I guess that it all depends on who you get the rail from as to what is “standard”.
>
> Emery Stora
>
>> On Jan 20, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Jon Roche wrote:
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>> Larry probably did have one that was shipped, or someone decided to "split the difference" Standard awning rail is 16' long, and you need about 18'
>> and a couple inches for the GMC/Zip dee. I installed one complete strip, and cut what i needed off a second awning rail. I still have most of the
>> other rail hanging in the garage, so I would guess my seam is either just above my dinnette window toward the front, or just above the rear windows(2
>> feet or so from either side.
>>
>>
>> the rail is held on best by sealed end rivets. I used an air rivet gun, and when they pop, they are pretty much sealed. I did use some sealant on
>> them anyways. Normal rivets have a hold through the center, that would allow water to penetrate.
>>
>> Example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/400580151873?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82
>>
>> also used one on each of the outside hole for the lower brackets.
>>
>> rest of awning is pre-drill, and use a sheet metal screw that was provided with awning. Pretty solid fit, and should not need to have a bolt.
>>
>> other item to be aware of is the rear marker light needs to be relocated. The end of awning rail will sit right over where that light is supposed to
>> be , and then you will need to also seal the hole. Epoxy works well. careful and do not pull on the wires, just fish wires over to new marker
>> light location, carefully connect to existing, then push them in. The wire is foamed in, and if you pull on the wire of that light, you will just
>> disconnect a plug that you can't get to. Solution to that is to fish new wires all the way down to your tail light, or remove the headliner in
>> rear. Otherwise just go without that marker light. The wire should not short out, because it is in fiberglass/foam area. Almost easier just to
>> remove that marker light entirely.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jon Roche
>> 75 palm beach
>> St. Cloud, MN
>> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
>>
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| Re: awnings ? [message #294127 is a reply to message #294095] |
Wed, 20 January 2016 19:06 |
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I had a 15 foot A&E whose legs folded into the awning cover along with the rafters, via some springs and double jointed brackets. It worked well, but a grumblestorm hit the Atlanta airport area at 2A during a show, and by the time I heard it and ran out, the awning had already departed the coach. I need another. Currently I use the Clear e-z-up canopy you see in my pictures. Since Clear sold out to Verizon, they dumped the canopies, I gave 20 scoots for it new in the box. I wish I'd bought a couple dozen of them.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
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| Re: [GMCnet] awnings ? [message #294129 is a reply to message #294097] |
Wed, 20 January 2016 20:43 |
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Emery,
How is your back surgery recovery coming? Unless I missed it, it's been a while since we've heard. Will you be able to attend some rallies this year?
Looking forward to hearing,
For those that might be new to GMC ownership, Emery Stora is one of the true GMC motorhome experts and a former GMCMI president.
Tom Whitton
26 ft updated GMC
Paducah, KY
Someone probably cut your extrusion so that it could be shipped. Mine is one piece. Years ago I had picked it up from the factory and installed it myself. I have never seen one that has a cut in it. Perhaps most dealers get them shipped by truck so that long pieces can be shipped.
Emery Stora
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| Re: [GMCnet] awnings ? [message #294132 is a reply to message #294127] |
Thu, 21 January 2016 04:07 |
Glover, Brian K.
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Location: Griffin Georgia
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Johnny, let me know if you run across any deals like that ! question ? with the 15 foot awning did it run the length ( behind front window and behind aft window ) all the ones I have seen run that length and screw into the frame ? I have yet to measure the run so not sure exactly the length I would need.
Thanks,
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Johnny Bridges
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 8:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] awnings ?
I had a 15 foot A&E whose legs folded into the awning cover along with the rafters, via some springs and double jointed brackets. It worked well, but
a grumblestorm hit the Atlanta airport area at 2A during a show, and by the time I heard it and ran out, the awning had already departed the coach. I
need another. Currently I use the Clear e-z-up canopy you see in my pictures. Since Clear sold out to Verizon, they dumped the canopies, I gave 20
scoots for it new in the box. I wish I'd bought a couple dozen of them.
--johnny
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'76 23' transmode Norris upfit
Braselton, Ga.
"Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
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1978 Eleganza II
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| Re: awnings ? [message #294136 is a reply to message #294095] |
Thu, 21 January 2016 08:32 |
jhbridges
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Brian, I've a 23' coach with a rear bath so there's no back window on either side. It still has the small awnings over the windows on the driver's side. 15' is a guess, it could have been as much as 20'. From behind the rear wheels to just behind the front wheels, with a roller on the door to prevent damage. Plastic clips on the lower body work which the arms clipped into when it was out.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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