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Traveling WiFi [message #293203] Thu, 31 December 2015 09:08 Go to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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I had to turn on WiFi security at our airport on the guest WiFi access due to the intentional interference from a local off airport hacker. Now we have to hand out a passpharse (password) to tenants and visitors outside of the main terminal building. Open access is still available inside the main terminal building.

I discovered that my Windows 10 tablet would not connect to the new secure system while my Windows 7 machine had no problems. I have seen this problem before at a local university, a local hotel, and a campground but never fully investigated it.

It turns out the both Microsoft and Apple have decided to drop support for for WPA version 1 (TKIP) while keeping the older WEP and the newer WPA2 (AES) encryption standards. I do not think Android has the problem.

I am looking for a work around for this problem which started with Widows 8.1 and continues into Windows 10. It turns out the code is still there, they have just removed the ability to access it and setting your connection profile correctly.

I mention this here in case in your travels you are having random connection problems running Windows 8.1 or later, this is probably your problem. I can not speak to connection problems on Apple.

Has anyone out there already investigated this and come up with an easy solution to the problem?


Ken Burton - N9KB
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Re: [GMCnet] Traveling WiFi [message #293210 is a reply to message #293203] Thu, 31 December 2015 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bdub is currently offline  bdub   United States
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This help?
https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/windows/en-US/290c63b4-ce04-4483-a047-e1000c7d7699/wpa-security-types-are-missing-after-
upgrading-to-windows-81?forum=w8itpronetworking

bdub

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I had to turn on WiFi security at our airport on the guest WiFi access due to the intentional interference from a local off airport
hacker. Now we
have to hand out a passpharse (password) to tenants and visitors outside of the main terminal building. Open access is still
available inside the
main terminal building.

I discovered that my Windows 10 tablet would not connect to the new secure system while my Windows 7 machine had no problems. I
have seen this
problem before at a local university, a local hotel, and a campground but never fully investigated it.

It turns out the both Microsoft and Apple have decided to drop support for for WPA version 1 (TKIP) while keeping the older WEP and
the newer WPA2
(AES) encryption standards. I do not think Android has the problem.

I am looking for a work around for this problem which started with Widows 8.1 and continues into Windows 10. It turns out the code
is still there,
they have just removed the ability to access it and setting your connection profile correctly.

I mention this here in case in your travels you are having random connection problems running Windows 8.1 or later, this is probably
your problem. I
can not speak to connection problems on Apple.


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Re: Traveling WiFi [message #293220 is a reply to message #293203] Thu, 31 December 2015 11:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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I looked at that but have not tried it yet.

I tried to connect on my Windows 7 and then exported the profile using netsh. The problem I ran into was on Windows 10 the "import" function does not exist so I could not install it on the machine.


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Re: Traveling WiFi [message #293262 is a reply to message #293203] Fri, 01 January 2016 00:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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Billy,

I think I got it now. The syntax of the commands was a real problem but I finally got it. The command syntax and directory locations changed from version 7 to 8.1 and again in 10. I do not think I could repeat it. I basically configured and tested a profile in version 7. Then I exported it to a USB stick as an .xml file. After that I imported the version 7 profile by doing an "add profile" in Version 10. It said it accepted the new "added profile". Now I have to take the version 10 machine back to the airport and try it for sure tomorrow.

I would not want to do this very often and it is not really practical on the road because it requires two machines or at least two OSs. I need to figure out a simpler way using only the one machine.

If this works tomorrow I will go to the University and try it on their network.


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Re: Traveling WiFi [message #293263 is a reply to message #293262] Fri, 01 January 2016 01:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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This definitely a reason for me NOT to take advantage of their "free upgrade" to version 10.

Ken Burton - N9KB
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Re: Traveling WiFi [message #293266 is a reply to message #293262] Fri, 01 January 2016 09:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken Burton wrote on Fri, 01 January 2016 00:57
Billy,
I think I got it now. The syntax of the commands was a real problem but I finally got it. The command syntax and directory locations changed from version 7 to 8.1 and again in 10. I do not think I could repeat it. I basically configured and tested a profile in version 7. Then I exported it to a USB stick as an .xml file. After that I imported the version 7 profile by doing an "add profile" in Version 10. It said it accepted the new "added profile". Now I have to take the version 10 machine back to the airport and try it for sure tomorrow.

I would not want to do this very often and it is not really practical on the road because it requires two machines or at least two OSs. I need to figure out a simpler way using only the one machine.

If this works tomorrow I will go to the University and try it on their network.
For traveling, take a live Linux CD or DVD and boot Linux when you need to do something that Windows won't let you do.
Re: Traveling WiFi [message #293267 is a reply to message #293266] Fri, 01 January 2016 09:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There is no CD/DVD on this tablet.

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Re: [GMCnet] Traveling WiFi [message #293268 is a reply to message #293267] Fri, 01 January 2016 10:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken Burton:
> There is no CD/DVD on this tablet.
put the CD/DVD on a USB stick, and use that ;)

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Re: [GMCnet] Traveling WiFi [message #293293 is a reply to message #293268] Fri, 01 January 2016 16:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why not just change the encryption on the router to be compatible with the new windows? Seems a whole lot easier.


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Re: [GMCnet] Traveling WiFi [message #293297 is a reply to message #293293] Fri, 01 January 2016 17:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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When traveling, that is not an option. This method works. Today I connected to four different networks today running WPA(1) TKIP even though Microsoft has chosen to remove it from the GUI setup screen. The line mode setup (netsh - network Shell) works just fine but is much more involved.

I do not have the option of changing everybody's access points out there. As an example the local university has hundreds of them. I can and will change the airport's APs because I control them, In doing so I will also shut down some tenants that do not have WPA2 capable bridges and devices. Right now I'm on a personal router / AP in a hangar that I do not control and this AP runs TKIP.

What I would like to find is someone that can modify the GUI back to what it was. I do not know how to do this.


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Re: [GMCnet] Traveling WiFi [message #293353 is a reply to message #293297] Sat, 02 January 2016 22:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken Burton wrote on Fri, 01 January 2016 17:41
...What I would like to find is someone that can modify the GUI back to what it was. I do not know how to do this.
Pretty sure it is a registry key. Most of that stuff is. Let me poke around the registry in a Windows 7 laptop and compare it to the Windows 8 laptop and see if I can figger it out.
Re: [GMCnet] Traveling WiFi [message #293355 is a reply to message #293353] Sun, 03 January 2016 00:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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I am confused but I am far from an expert in this area. What is missing is simply one option out of three on a drop down menu. The system still configures correctly using the command line mode (netsh).

I do not see where the registry would be involved, but as I said this is way out of my league.


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Re: [GMCnet] Traveling WiFi [message #293358 is a reply to message #293355] Sun, 03 January 2016 09:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken Burton wrote on Sun, 03 January 2016 00:51
I am confused but I am far from an expert in this area. What is missing is simply one option out of three on a drop down menu. The system still configures correctly using the command line mode (netsh).

I do not see where the registry would be involved, but as I said this is way out of my league.
I was thinking that the stuff in drop down menus and dialog boxes of programs resided in the registry. Like the "recent documents" list. But it appears I was wrong. At least in this case.
Re: [GMCnet] Traveling WiFi [message #293359 is a reply to message #293358] Sun, 03 January 2016 12:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you for looking.

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Re: [GMCnet] Traveling WiFi [message #293367 is a reply to message #293359] Sun, 03 January 2016 14:30 Go to previous message
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Ken Burton wrote on Sun, 03 January 2016 12:36
Thank you for looking.
You might also try using EAP-LEAP.msi

http://www.georgealmeida.com/2013/11/wpa-tkip-missing-upgrading-windows-8-1/
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