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gbarrow2 is currently offline  gbarrow2   United States
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Have not found a satisfactory satellite or line of sight wireless provider in my area.

My nearest neighbor(between 250-300 ft) has AT&T DSL. Their wireless network sometimes shows on my laptop's list of wireless connections.

My question for you knowledgeable and experienced internet technicians is: What equipment either wired or wireless is available at a reasonable cost that would allow me to tie into their system and receive reliable internet access from 300 feet distance?

Several years ago I read on this forum that Ken Burton was supplying internet service at GMC rallies. Will that technology work for my application?

Thanks for your input.


Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach
Re: [GMCnet] Rural Area Internet Service [message #292953 is a reply to message #292952] Sat, 26 December 2015 17:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dave Mumert   United States
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Hi Gene

https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/nanostationm/

Check with Ubiquity network, they have a good selection of point-to-point systems.
Check the locoM2 unit on the above page, it is good for 5KM, it is $53.80 on Amazon (that's per end).

http://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-NanoStation-locoM2-2-4GHz-Outdoor/dp/B004EGI3CI/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1451171682&sr=1-1&keyword
s=locom2

Ubiquity has many other radios, some are faster, some have greater range.

Good luck

Dave Mumert


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of gene barrow
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 3:41 PM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Rural Area Internet Service
>
> Have not found a satisfactory satellite or line of sight wireless provider in my area.
>
> My nearest neighbor(between 250-300 ft) has AT&T DSL. Their wireless network sometimes shows on my laptop's list of wireless
> connections.
>
> My question for you knowledgeable and experienced internet technicians is: What equipment either wired or wireless is available at
a
> reasonable cost that would allow me to tie into their system and receive reliable internet access from 300 feet distance?
>
> Several years ago I read on this forum that Ken Burton was supplying internet service at GMC rallies. Will that technology work
for my
> application?
>
> Thanks for your input.
> --
> Gene Barrow
> Lake Almanor, Ca.
> 1976 Palm Beach
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Rural Area Internet Service [message #292954 is a reply to message #292952] Sat, 26 December 2015 17:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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These days, ALMOST everybody has secured their home wireless
systems to password access.

A directional antenna (Yagi-Uda beam) and an offer to your
neighbor to add an amplifier (your purchase) and split his net
costs might be workable!

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> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:40:32 -0700
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> From: barrowgene@gmail.com
> Subject: [GMCnet] Rural Area Internet Service
>
> Have not found a satisfactory satellite or line of sight wireless provider in my area.
>
> My nearest neighbor(between 250-300 ft) has AT&T DSL. Their wireless network sometimes shows on my laptop's list of wireless connections.
>
> My question for you knowledgeable and experienced internet technicians is: What equipment either wired or wireless is available at a reasonable cost
> that would allow me to tie into their system and receive reliable internet access from 300 feet distance?
>
> Several years ago I read on this forum that Ken Burton was supplying internet service at GMC rallies. Will that technology work for my application?
>
> Thanks for your input.
> --
> Gene Barrow
> Lake Almanor, Ca.
> 1976 Palm Beach

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Re: Rural Area Internet Service [message #292956 is a reply to message #292952] Sat, 26 December 2015 17:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chr$ is currently offline  Chr$   United States
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Do you get Verizon? THey have pretty good 4GLTE systems.

-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ

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Re: [GMCnet] Rural Area Internet Service [message #292958 is a reply to message #292952] Sat, 26 December 2015 17:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Daniel Starks is currently offline  Daniel Starks   United States
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You need a range extender at the neighbors end. It will pick up his
Wi-Fi signal, amplify it and send it to you. Ideally it would be in a
window facing you, able to pick up his signal and relay it. I use an
Amped/Wireless AC750 Wi-Fi range extender. There are other models and
brands available.
Daniel

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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of gene
barrow
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 3:41 PM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: [GMCnet] Rural Area Internet Service

Have not found a satisfactory satellite or line of sight wireless
provider in my area.

My nearest neighbor(between 250-300 ft) has AT&T DSL. Their wireless
network sometimes shows on my laptop's list of wireless connections.

My question for you knowledgeable and experienced internet technicians
is: What equipment either wired or wireless is available at a reasonable
cost that would allow me to tie into their system and receive reliable
internet access from 300 feet distance?

Several years ago I read on this forum that Ken Burton was supplying
internet service at GMC rallies. Will that technology work for my
application?

Thanks for your input.
--
Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach

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Re: [GMCnet] Rural Area Internet Service [message #292960 is a reply to message #292952] Sat, 26 December 2015 17:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dolph Santorine is currently offline  Dolph Santorine   United States
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I second Dave's comments about Ubiquity gear. Good and cost effective.

I don't understand why your neighbor 300 feet away has DSL and you don't.

If your drop is bad, the utility should replace that and you'll have service.

Dolph Santorine

DE N8JPC

Wheeling, West Virginia

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> On Dec 26, 2015, at 5:40 PM, gene barrow wrote:
>
> Have not found a satisfactory satellite or line of sight wireless provider in my area.
>
> My nearest neighbor(between 250-300 ft) has AT&T DSL. Their wireless network sometimes shows on my laptop's list of wireless connections.
>
> My question for you knowledgeable and experienced internet technicians is: What equipment either wired or wireless is available at a reasonable cost
> that would allow me to tie into their system and receive reliable internet access from 300 feet distance?
>
> Several years ago I read on this forum that Ken Burton was supplying internet service at GMC rallies. Will that technology work for my application?
>
> Thanks for your input.
> --
> Gene Barrow
> Lake Almanor, Ca.
> 1976 Palm Beach
>
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Re: Rural Area Internet Service [message #292967 is a reply to message #292952] Sat, 26 December 2015 19:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wally is currently offline  wally   United States
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gbarrow wrote on Sat, 26 December 2015 16:40
Have not found a satisfactory satellite or line of sight wireless provider in my area.

My nearest neighbor(between 250-300 ft) has AT&T DSL. Their wireless network sometimes shows on my laptop's list of wireless connections.

My question for you knowledgeable and experienced internet technicians is: What equipment either wired or wireless is available at a reasonable cost that would allow me to tie into their system and receive reliable internet access from 300 feet distance?

Several years ago I read on this forum that Ken Burton was supplying internet service at GMC rallies. Will that technology work for my application?

Thanks for your input.

You might try a high gain antenna and more powerful radio just on your end. Dan Gregg turned me on to a setup like his.
http://danandteri.blogspot.com/2007/07/wifi-setup.html
Using an Alpha usb radio. He had the stuff at my house and we were shooting across two highways to the hill on the other side picking up Cox cable internet on peoples home networks. I bought one too!
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/power-level-valve-fitting/p59755-yagi-wifi-antenna.html
HTH


Wally Anderson
Omaha NE
75 Glenbrook
Re: Rural Area Internet Service [message #292982 is a reply to message #292952] Sat, 26 December 2015 21:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jhbridges is currently offline  jhbridges   United States
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I've used the Ubiquity products to supply net access to several places in Atlanta from our studios several blocks away with good results. Cheap and rock solid. Check 'em out.

--johnny


Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons. Braselton, Ga. I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
Re: Rural Area Internet Service [message #292984 is a reply to message #292952] Sat, 26 December 2015 22:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
lqqkatjon is currently offline  lqqkatjon   United States
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Gene,

300'. If your neighbor is ok with you sharing the connection. Just run a car5e wire. Then hook what they call a wireless AP up on the end in your home.

Connect your devices in your home to your ap. And he can connect to his normal wire.

You can easily go 900' with a cat5e


Maybe there is a road or something to cross? But i personally would run a cable, it will be so much more trouble free.


Pm me if you need the right cAble to withstand outdoors.


Jon Roche 75 palm beach EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now. St. Cloud, MN http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
Re: Rural Area Internet Service [message #292986 is a reply to message #292952] Sat, 26 December 2015 22:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
pzerkel is currently offline  pzerkel   United States
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Are you saying your neighbor (who lives less than 300 feet away) can purchase AT&T DSL, but you cannot? I know that is possible, but just wondering why not just go that route?

Paul Zerkel
'78 Eleganza II
Salisbury IL (near Springfield)
Re: Rural Area Internet Service [message #292989 is a reply to message #292986] Sun, 27 December 2015 00:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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300 feet should be easy to do.
There are a number of solutions if you have a clear line of sight between the two locations.

What devices do you wish to support at your location?

What type of network connections (Ethernet or wireless) do those devices have?
I assume that you have the password for the neighbor's wireless access point.


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: Rural Area Internet Service [message #292997 is a reply to message #292952] Sun, 27 December 2015 10:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JohnL455 is currently offline  JohnL455   United States
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I think the phone co's are trying to put copper in their past. I have no DSL available in a newer house and neighbors about 300' away in older home do.

John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
Re: Rural Area Internet Service [message #293000 is a reply to message #292952] Sun, 27 December 2015 11:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RF_Burns is currently offline  RF_Burns   Canada
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I'll also give a big thumbs-up to Ubiquity stuff. We've installed a bunch of it for on-site linking around industrial sites. Get user interface and easy setup.

Running cable sounds good, but you will need shielded direct burial stuff, again Ubiquity has a great cable for this. But you will also need some decent surge protection on each end of the cable. These can cost more than the cable itself. Otherwise the first good close-by lightning strike will toast the equipment on both ends. You should also have equipment with isolated Ethernet ports on each end which rules out much of the lower cost equipment.


Bruce Hislop
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Re: Rural Area Internet Service [message #293002 is a reply to message #293000] Sun, 27 December 2015 14:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dan is currently offline  Dan   United States
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Hello,

Between my house and my small poll barn wood shop I use power line either net adapters as the wifi won't quite reach. These ones to be exact (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AWRUICG/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_uOeGwb04BKD4T) and they work great. The distance I guess is about 150 feet or so. My understanding is that if you and your neighbors house are on the same phase that they should work between houses. No guarantees, but they are only $37.

Dan


Dan DeLuca 1978 Eleganza II (http://imgur.com/gallery/YFHhK) Parked at Evil Monkey Farm in Allentown, New Jersey
Re: Rural Area Internet Service [message #293005 is a reply to message #292952] Sun, 27 December 2015 15:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jhbridges is currently offline  jhbridges   United States
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The two houses must be on the same pole pig. If they are, these work well.

--johnny


Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons. Braselton, Ga. I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
Re: [GMCnet] Rural Area Internet Service [message #293009 is a reply to message #293002] Sun, 27 December 2015 16:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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Don't you have to access your own Internet Access Provider?

As I previously posted, you would likely have to get your neighbor's
internet access codes to piggyback on his service unless he/she is
so stupid as to not have it set up for secure access.

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> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 13:32:56 -0700
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> From: dandeluca@mac.com
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rural Area Internet Service
>
> Hello,
>
> Between my house and my small poll barn wood shop I use power line either net adapters as the wifi won't quite reach. These ones to be exact
> (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AWRUICG/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_uOeGwb04BKD4T) and they work great. The distance I guess is about 150 feet or so. My
> understanding is that if you and your neighbors house are on the same phase that they should work between houses. No guarantees, but they are only
> $37.
>
> Dan
> --
> Dan DeLuca
> 1978 Eleganza II (http://imgur.com/gallery/YFHhK)
> Parked at Evil Monkey Farm in
> Allentown, New Jersey

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Re: Rural Area Internet Service [message #293013 is a reply to message #292986] Sun, 27 December 2015 20:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gbarrow2 is currently offline  gbarrow2   United States
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Paul, Dolph,
Here's a quote from my first post on this topic. Lots of info on the web about this issue. AT&T and Verizon will not continue to provide land line DSL service, with un-metered data in low population areas. They are only offering cell tower wireless service with data limits to new or renewal customers.Less maintenance, higher priced metered data = more profit for the ISP.

"I have tried everything you suggested. Your idea makes sense and I've argued that with AT&T for months. Their policy (and Verizon's as well) is to force new wireless technology, more expensive with limited data, on the rural areas. Much less expensive for them to maintain.

We are near the end of the phone line; only a couple of other homes downstream from us. They still have DSL service. We were the first to sign up for the service when AT&T installed service in this area -only 10 years ago. If service is terminated they absolutely, positively will not reinstate it. They offer wireless service that works off the cell towers instead. Not as good and more expensive for the customer but more profitable with less maint for the provider. Welcome to the new American business model. The customer doesn't matter."

Chris,

I am currently using a Verizon Jet pack. Cell service is weak in this area so the wireless internet is slow,spotty, and extremely expensive. We have a 40 gig monthly data plan. It just renewed on the 23rd as of now we are 7.12 gigs into new monthly allocation. Watch a couple of netflix movies and you're done for the month.


Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach
Re: Rural Area Internet Service [message #293014 is a reply to message #292952] Sun, 27 December 2015 20:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>you're done for the month

Yup, NFL game was 5g streaming on Verizon.


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Re: Rural Area Internet Service [message #293015 is a reply to message #293014] Sun, 27 December 2015 20:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
gbarrow2 is currently offline  gbarrow2   United States
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RC,
You understand the problem. I need an alternative.

Thanks to all for your input.
With this info I will find something that works. Have not approached the neighbor yet. Wanted a solution before presenting the problem. We have a good relation ship and I'll be glad to pay his bill if I can bootleg the service.

Johnny, I assume a "pole pig" is a transformer. We are on separate transformers so I think that eliminates the plug and play socket mounted type transmitter.

I can run an ethernet cable between the houses or use the Ubiquity devices that several have suggested. I'll compare costs and installation issues and go from there.

Thanks for the help.


Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach
Re: [GMCnet] Rural Area Internet Service [message #293016 is a reply to message #293015] Sun, 27 December 2015 21:35 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
k2gkk is currently offline  k2gkk   United States
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Yep, Gene. "Pole pig" is the slang word for the big transformer that takes
the high voltage feeder voltage down to the split 120-0-120 Volt common
household feed. No, I don't know where/how the term originated.

If you decide to approach your neighbor about "sharing" you might wish to
split the cost of an "upgraded" (higher speed) connection so that your
joint use wouldn't slow either of you down since it would be a shared
connection.

A shared Ethernet cable should be "direct burial" and possibly shielded.

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~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
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~ ~ Since 30 November '53 ~ ~
~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ Member GMCMI and Classics ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
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~ ~ ~ '76 ex-Palm Beach ~ ~ ~
~~ k2gkk + hotmail dot com ~~
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> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 19:32:38 -0700
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> From: barrowgene@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Rural Area Internet Service
>
> RC,
> You understand the problem. I need an alternative.
>
> Thanks to all for your input.
> With this info I will find something that works. Have not approached the neighbor yet. Wanted a solution before presenting the problem. We have a good
> relation ship and I'll be glad to pay his bill if I can bootleg the service.
>
> Johnny, I assume a "pole pig" is a transformer. We are on separate transformers so I think that eliminates the plug and play socket mounted type
> transmitter.
>
> I can run an ethernet cable between the houses or use the Ubiquity devices that several have suggested. I'll compare costs and installation issues and
> go from there.
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> --
> Gene Barrow
> Lake Almanor, Ca.
> 1976 Palm Beach

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