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| [GMCnet] Restoration. Should I replace the Coax TV cable. [message #292719] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 09:13  |
BobDunahugh
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The base question is. Is the cable used now, better than what was installed 37 years ago by Coachman. Plus I'm adding more Coax anyway. I've got a big roll of the Coax that the cable companies install. I have the good Coax fittings, and tools to install it. Not scared to death Bob. 73, and 78 GMC. 4441 Deer View Rd. Cedar Rapids Iowa. Cell 319-521-4891. Home 319-393-8440 I'm just ignoring the guy till he gets on topic. I really think he's doing it for attention. And he's successful at that.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Should I replace the Coax TV cable. [message #292725 is a reply to message #292719] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 10:08  |
James Hupy
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I'd leave it out. But we don't even have a TV in the coach. That is the the
way we roll. I am just passing by the Marathon Coach factory in Coburg, Or.
Several million dollar plus coaches in their lot. Guess they would have 50"
plasma screens both inside and out. High dollar coax in those things for
sure. What I am saying is, if you think you have need for it in the
future, put it in today. No fun tearing out your own handiwork to do
something that you shoulda done but didn't.
Jim Hupy On the road to Petaluma, Ca. for Christmas with Judy's family.
Merry Christmas to one and all. Remember what December 25, 0000 is really
all about. Still no room at the inn?
On Dec 22, 2015 7:14 AM, "Bob Dunahugh" wrote:
> The base question is. Is the cable used now, better than what was
> installed 37 years ago by Coachman. Plus I'm adding more Coax anyway. I've
> got a big roll of the Coax that the cable companies install. I have the
> good Coax fittings, and tools to install it. Not scared to death Bob. 73,
> and 78 GMC. 4441 Deer View Rd. Cedar Rapids Iowa. Cell 319-521-4891.
> Home 319-393-8440 I'm just ignoring the guy till he gets on topic. I
> really think he's doing it for attention. And he's successful at that.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Should I replace the Coax TV cable. [message #292726 is a reply to message #292719] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 10:19 |
rcjordan
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>TV in the coach
Though I suspect we're nearing the end of the need for coax for media, I'd do it for data future-proofing. Maybe run some Cat6, too.
SOLD 77 Royale Coachmen Side Dry Bath
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Should I replace the Coax TV cable. [message #292731 is a reply to message #292719] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 10:31 |
lqqkatjon
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Bob,
Since you are gutting it, you might as well replace it. The original stuff in good shape probably will work 99%, as it is the ends that are normally the issue. Rg-6 is the standard for satellite, or Cable TV, and will work with the antenna very well. Quality fitting is the whole key.
I would try to stick with a home run configuration. I would run a line to an outside access, for future/possible satellite. then make sure you have a coax run up to your antenna. then go to any TV location you might want from there. That will allow you options in the future.
One thing that gets overlooked these days with a nice flat panel TV, is almost all of them have very poor speakers. OUr coaches are small, so usually that is not a problem, but just keep that in mind, if you want some better sound, look at some sound bar options, and make sure you understand how the sound bar will connect to the TV, because there are different methods for that, and not all TV's sound bars get along as simple as they should.
there is good digital over the air programming out, but you either have to be close, or have a good antenna. The direction and the type of antenna you have that makes the difference. tuning a digital TV is a pain as well, because most want to do a "channel scan", and it will not pick up channels if your antenna is not pointed in the right direction.
There are sites too that show where channels can be picked up from:
https://transition.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/dtvmaps/
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Should I replace the Coax TV cable. [message #292737 is a reply to message #292726] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 10:57 |
powwerjon
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RC and all,
The best coaxial cable for TV systems is RG6 Quad Shield Coaxial Cable. Bought this to rewire our Park Home here in Tucson, used similar at home for the coach and house. Your can also buy the RU6 cable in shorter lengths too.
The Cat5 or Cat6 cable would be of lessor value as most likely all your computer stuff would be located in one space and not scattered all over the coach. I do have a Cat6 wired network in our house, barn and shop to connect everything to the routers and internet.
or
http://tinyurl.com/pb4vgwe
J.R. Wright
30' Buskirk Stretch
Michigan
On Location in Tucson
> On Dec 22, 2015, at 9:19 AM, RC Jordan wrote:
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>> TV in the coach
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> Though I suspect we're nearing the end of the need for coax for media, I'd do it for data future-proofing. Maybe run some Cat6, too.
> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Should I replace the Coax TV cable. [message #292741 is a reply to message #292719] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 11:36 |
TnS.GMC
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> there is good digital over the air programming out
And if you want a real hoot, look for the 'extra' hdtv over-the-air channels
like me-tv, cozi, this-tv, get-tv, and a couple of more. Classics (read: no
or low fee to the broadcaster) like the Carol Burnett Show, Gunsmoke, My
Favorite Martian, Miami Vice, Fantasy Island, and tons more shows you have
forgotten about. And some you wish you had.
--
Todd and Susan
'76 23' [X-]Birchaven
Alleged Mystery Machine
Melbourne, FL
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Should I replace the Coax TV cable.
Date: 22/12/15 16:52
> Bob,
>
> Since you are gutting it, you might as well replace it. The original
stuff in good shape probably will work 99%, as it is the ends that are
> normally the issue. Rg-6 is the standard for satellite, or Cable TV, and
will work with the antenna very well. Quality fitting is the whole key.
>
> I would try to stick with a home run configuration. I would run a line to
an outside access, for future/possible satellite. then make sure you have
> a coax run up to your antenna. then go to any TV location you might want
from there. That will allow you options in the future.
>
> One thing that gets overlooked these days with a nice flat panel TV, is
almost all of them have very poor speakers. OUr coaches are small, so
usually
> that is not a problem, but just keep that in mind, if you want some
better sound, look at some sound bar options, and make sure you understand
how
> the sound bar will connect to the TV, because there are different methods
for that, and not all TV's sound bars get along as simple as they should.
>
>
> there is good digital over the air programming out, but you either have
to be close, or have a good antenna. The direction and the type of antenna
> you have that makes the difference. tuning a digital TV is a pain as
well, because most want to do a "channel scan", and it will not
pick up
> channels if your antenna is not pointed in the right direction.
>
> There are sites too that show where channels can be picked up from:
>
> https://transition.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/dtvmaps/
>
>
>
> --
> Jon Roche
> 75 palm beach
> St. Cloud, MN
> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Should I replace the Coax TV cable. [message #292749 is a reply to message #292719] |
Tue, 22 December 2015 13:30 |
jhbridges
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Bob -
However you wire, follow the Wiring Rule. Double pull everything. Cheap and easy with the walls out, minor expense if the extras are never used. Invaluable when you use them and don't have to either forego something or get a wire behind an existing wall. Anyone's good foam core 75Ohm cable ought to work for TV reception - cable or off-air. Pat attention to the connectors. If you can get the local cable guy to lend you his connector tool, use compression connectors. Otherwise, borrow or buy one of the crimping tools which works for multiple size cables and use the connectors with separate ferrules. Try to stay away from the screw - on or captive crimp on connectors. They aren't as robust. Note - RG - 58 is for your ham or CB set to the antenna. It's 50 Ohm. RG - 59 is video, receive, or (old) network cable. It's 75 Ohm. They aren't the same. Be sure you get the right connectors for what you're using. RG - 6 is larger in diameter than RG - 59, and needs the proper connector. It is somewhat less lossy, but in a GMC it won't make a noticeable difference because the runs are so short.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] Restoration. Should I replace the Coax TV cable. [message #292778 is a reply to message #292767] |
Wed, 23 December 2015 03:51 |
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mark grady
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Not to bump a closing thread, but...
New digital TV channels in many areas use higher frequencies. The displayed
channel is often not the real radio frequency channel. For this reason, you
need better performing coax than RG-59. The old cable It is smaller, but
more lossy at higher frequencies, and easier to be damaged or kinked.
Use RG-6 with a good shield - and keep in mind that real quad shield cable
will need coax ends (fittings) that are harder to find. Home run these
cables, it is the only good plan. A 12 volt powered four way
amplified splitter will cover the basics. New high end homes use these
types of systems for entertainment distribution.
'Compression' style ends are best. They need the right kind of tool to
install, but they don't pull off. There are youtube vids of how the
coax compression fittings are installed. You will find that it goes quicker
if you use a 'twirly' stripper / prep tool.
If you are installing satellite, consider your system layout to keep your
receiver and wiring distribution as simple as possible.
While WiFi is (just about) on every entertainment device and WiDi is
emerging, if you want to future proof, run CAT5 or CAT6 4-pair wherever you
think you want to put an entertainment or automation device.
Even if you don't use this cable for data (in the classic sense), you can
transport HDMI signals over CAT rated cable with low cost adapters.
You may not have a need today, but it keeps your options open.
Everyone has a different approach to powering electronics, but there are
12vdc TVs, 12 volt Ethernet switches and so on. This simplifies wiring,
eliminates the shock hazard, and you can manage the power consumption. The
whole RV industry supply chain is built around this approach. You just have
to seek these types of devices out as you make your plans.
Digital TV broadcast signal standards in use today didn't include a
protocol for mobile viewing. But small amplified antennas give good results
when stationary.
I hope this helps as you make your upgrade plans.
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