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icon2.gif  TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #291212] Sun, 29 November 2015 21:20 Go to next message
Anonymous   United States
hello everyone,

decided to post up some photos of this most unusual project, I PM'd JShot and he said this is the only coach with a non standard V.I.N. that he is aware of. thats interesting..

everybody loves pix, right? these are just what I had handy on the HDD though. Im actually alot further along with it now but havnt got current photos easily available ATM.

so here goes.. (lets see if this works)

http://i.imgur.com/kmsClN5.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/94GXTBf.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/oGNM3kp.jpgg

http://i.imgur.com/8xDSkeO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/r19cX9c.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XDDqBsO.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/bVFTaCI.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/c4cnoT2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/znSnmN6.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/E2hbVjh.jpg


the plan was originally for this to be used for storage but Im a motorsports kinda guy and once I found out just how cool these things are thanks to all the people that have provided great info on the internet here and elsewhere, I decided it might be worth the time to resto mod this heavy ole hot rod!

wanted to make the back a ramp door and make it a toy hauler but decided moving the bathroom to the front was too much trouble and I can always haul the toys in the trailer behind it so I decided to keep the bathroom in the original spot and work from there.

initial investment was near zilche so that had alot to do with it also. it was a parts coach and the radiator and final drive was missing along with other odds and ends but those are the main things.

plan to roll the frame out from under it and R&R everything mechanical all at once.

floorplan of this coach will also be unique and several windows will be deleted.

this might take a while HAhaha! well there ya have it.. maybe more later,

NEO






Re: TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #291213 is a reply to message #291212] Sun, 29 November 2015 21:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous   United States
a few more (limited to ten images per post here)

http://i.imgur.com/2yqnJlH.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pKhQXEQ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JmcfYKv.jpg

well insulated and ventilated!

Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #291215 is a reply to message #291212] Sun, 29 November 2015 21:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 7:20 PM, notavailable wrote:

> hello everyone,
>
> decided to post up some photos of this most unusual project, I PM'd JShot
> and he said this is the only coach with a non standard V.I.N. that he is
> aware of. thats interesting..
>
> everybody loves pix, right? these are just what I had handy on the HDD
> though. Im actually alot further along with it now but havnt got current
> photos
> easily available ATM.
>
> so here goes.. (lets see if this works)
>
> http://i.imgur.com/kmsClN5.jpg
>
> http://i.imgur.com/94GXTBf.jpg
>
> http://i.imgur.com/oGNM3kp.jpg
>
> http://i.imgur.com/8xDSkeO.jpg
>
> http://i.imgur.com/r19cX9c.jpg
>
> http://i.imgur.com/XDDqBsO.jpg
>
> http://i.imgur.com/bVFTaCI.jpg
>
> http://i.imgur.com/c4cnoT2.jpg
>
> http://i.imgur.com/znSnmN6.jpg
>
> http://i.imgur.com/E2hbVjh.jpg
>
>
> the plan was originally for this to be used for storage but Im a
> motorsports kinda guy and once I found out just how cool these things are
> thanks to
> all the people that have provided great info on the internet here and
> elsewhere, I decided it might be worth the time to resto mod this heavy ole
> hot
> rod!
>
> wanted to make the back a ramp door and make it a toy hauler but decided
> moving the bathroom to the front was too much trouble and I can always haul
> the toys in the trailer behind it so I decided to keep the bathroom in the
> original spot and work from there.
>
> initial investment was near zilche so that had alot to do with it also. it
> was a parts coach and the radiator and final drive was missing along with
> other odds and ends but those are the main things.
>
> plan to roll the frame out from under it and R&R everything mechanical all
> at once.
>
> floorplan of this coach will also be unique and several windows will be
> deleted.
>
> this might take a while HAhaha! well there ya have it.. maybe more later,
>
> NEO
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #291217 is a reply to message #291212] Sun, 29 November 2015 21:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
A Hamilto is currently offline  A Hamilto   United States
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1gmcmh wrote on Sun, 29 November 2015 21:20
...I PM'd JShot and he said this is the only coach with a non standard V.I.N. that he is aware of. ...
What's on the outside passenger side firewall? That's where the real VIN plate was located when it came from the factory.
What you show is the one by the door like this one (which was put on at upfit time, not on the assembly line):
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/5293/medium/Tags_near_entry_door.JPG
Re: TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #291239 is a reply to message #291217] Mon, 30 November 2015 11:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JShot is currently offline  JShot   United States
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A,

Here's one of the original posts on this:

http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=263407&rid=1097#msg_263407

It goes from there...

shot


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Re: TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #291242 is a reply to message #291239] Mon, 30 November 2015 11:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JShot wrote on Mon, 30 November 2015 11:21
A,
Here's one of the original posts on this:

http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=263407&rid=1097#msg_263407

It goes from there...

shot
I see it on the one in the second link in that post that appears to be the assembly line VIN plate. A 9 where there should be a 1.

Although it is possible that is not the original VIN plate that was affixed at the factory...

As long as it can be titled and registered and kept in service, drive on.
Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #291250 is a reply to message #291242] Mon, 30 November 2015 13:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Netters

I haven't totally followed this conversation, but I do have some
questions..
Who is ' Notavailable' ??

Does anyone have an Name and an Address for him? It seems to me that
several people have asked the same question and I do not recall seeing an
answer or a reply from him.
It has been suggested several times to set up a 'signature' with this
information but he has not complied and flies anonymously through the GMC
net. This combined with a most unusual TZE number just makes me wonder
about a number of things!

So I repeat...Who is Not available??

Tks

Mike in NS

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:30 PM, A. wrote:

> JShot wrote on Mon, 30 November 2015 11:21
>> A,
>> Here's one of the original posts on this:
>>
>>
> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=263407&rid=1097#msg_263407
>>
>> It goes from there...
>>
>> shot
> I see it on the one in the second link in that post that appears to be the
> assembly line VIN plate. A 9 where there should be a 1.
>
> Although it is possible that is not the original VIN plate that was
> affixed at the factory...
>
> As long as it can be titled and registered and kept in service, drive on.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #291252 is a reply to message #291250] Mon, 30 November 2015 14:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I simply ignore anything and everything "Notavailable" posts.

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> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 15:23:27 -0400
> From: kingsleygmc@gmail.com
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project.
>
> Netters
>
> I haven't totally followed this conversation, but I do have some
> questions..
> Who is ' Notavailable' ??
>
> Does anyone have an Name and an Address for him? It seems to me that
> several people have asked the same question and I do not recall seeing an
> answer or a reply from him.
> It has been suggested several times to set up a 'signature' with this
> information but he has not complied and flies anonymously through the GMC
> net. This combined with a most unusual TZE number just makes me wonder
> about a number of things!
>
> So I repeat...Who is Not available??
>
> Tks
>
> Mike in NS
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:30 PM, A. wrote:
>
>> JShot wrote on Mon, 30 November 2015 11:21
>>> A,
>>> Here's one of the original posts on this:
>>>
>>>
>> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=263407&rid=1097#msg_263407
>>>
>>> It goes from there...
>>>
>>> shot
>> I see it on the one in the second link in that post that appears to be the
>> assembly line VIN plate. A 9 where there should be a 1.
>>
>> Although it is possible that is not the original VIN plate that was
>> affixed at the factory...
>>
>> As long as it can be titled and registered and kept in service, drive on.
>>
>> --
>> '73 23' Sequoia For Sale
>> '73 23' CanyonLands Parts Unit For Sale
>> Upper Alabama
>> We defeated communism only to be conquered by capitalism.
>
>
> --
> Michael Beaton
> 1977 Kingsley 26-11
> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
> Antigonish, NS
>
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Re: TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #291255 is a reply to message #291212] Mon, 30 November 2015 15:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hope I can shed some light and not confuse this further:

Many things changed year to year, an identification format that was used in 1973 may have changed in 1974 or any other year.

First, TZE 166V902114 is NOT an odd number, it is an invalid TZE number as well as not a 1976 model (TZE166).

The #902114 is the order #, can also be found at the top line of the service parts sticker on the glove box & other paperwork if you are fortunate enough to have the original build sheet.

Dave Greenburg & I tried to make sense of much GMC information, order #s were all over the place and with no apparent order to the #s we eventually gave up. We did determine the following:
1973 & 74 order #s appear as 9xxxxx
1975 to 78 " " " " Sxxxxx (first 100-200 in 1975 appear as S5xxxx all others S0xxxx)

1973 or 1974?
The highest 1973 TZE# I have listed is #3035 with a build date of 11-01-73
The lowest 1974 TZE I have listed is #0020 " " " " " 11-12-73
Since the glove box sticker is missing, the only way to tell for sure is the frame stamping found drivers side below the "sink" window (see my album for a picture).

VIN tags on the firewall:
1973 & 74 tags were rectangular, higher than wide, the screws holding the faux firewall tag appears to use the original holes.
1975 to 78 tags were also rectangular, but wider than high. All genuine tags should have the numbers embossed and mounted with special rivets.

Why the replacement tag, don't know except why would someone do that....... unless to deceive.

What year? My guess is, a very late 1973
My reason, just because ;^)
Bill



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Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #291256 is a reply to message #291250] Mon, 30 November 2015 15:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kingsley Coach wrote on Mon, 30 November 2015 13:23
Netters

I haven't totally followed this conversation, but I do have some
questions..
Who is ' Notavailable' ??

Does anyone have an Name and an Address for him? It seems to me that
several people have asked the same question and I do not recall seeing an
answer or a reply from him.
It has been suggested several times to set up a 'signature' with this
information but he has not complied and flies anonymously through the GMC
net. This combined with a most unusual TZE number just makes me wonder
about a number of things!

So I repeat...Who is Not available??

Tks

Mike in NS


Mike
I don't see "Not available" on the posts -- the originator is 1GMCMH, and he is shown as being in Georgia.

Perhaps 1GMCMH will introduce himself.

He has certainly been busy on his new acquisition!

Dennis


Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #291260 is a reply to message #291255] Mon, 30 November 2015 16:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi, for those interested in what a GMC build sheet looks like here is mine
posted on bdub's site several years ago. I found it behind the fridge when I
replaced it. Our coach is a 73 Glacier TZE033V100514. No idea what these
numbers mean.

http://www.bdub.net/publications/Gemini_Build_Sheet.html


Thanks,

Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA





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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Bill
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Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:22 PM
To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project.

Hope I can shed some light and not confuse this further:

Many things changed year to year, an identification format that was used in
1973 may have changed in 1974 or any other year.

First, TZE 166V902114 is NOT an odd number, it is an invalid TZE number as
well as not a 1976 model (TZE166).

The #902114 is the order #, can also be found at the top line of the service
parts sticker on the glove box & other paperwork if you are fortunate enough
to have the original build sheet.

Dave Greenburg & I tried to make sense of much GMC information, order #s
were all over the place and with no apparent order to the #s we eventually
gave up. We did determine the following:
1973 & 74 order #s appear as 9xxxxx
1975 to 78 " " " " Sxxxxx (first 100-200 in 1975 appear as S5xxxx
all others S0xxxx)

1973 or 1974?
The highest 1973 TZE# I have listed is #3035 with a build date of 11-01-73
The lowest 1974 TZE I have listed is #0020 " " " " " 11-12-73
Since the glove box sticker is missing, the only way to tell for sure is the
frame stamping found drivers side below the "sink" window (see my album for
a picture).

VIN tags on the firewall:
1973 & 74 tags were rectangular, higher than wide, the screws holding the
faux firewall tag appears to use the original holes.
1975 to 78 tags were also rectangular, but wider than high. All genuine
tags should have the numbers embossed and mounted with special rivets.

Why the replacement tag, don't know except why would someone do that.......
unless to deceive.

What year? My guess is, a very late 1973 My reason, just because ;^) Bill


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Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #291261 is a reply to message #291256] Mon, 30 November 2015 16:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kingsley Coach is currently offline  Kingsley Coach   United States
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Dennis

On the mailing list he appears as: notavailable
On the forum, yes, he is: 1GMCMH and says he is from Georgia.

Since he doesn't respond to the gentle prodding of a signature, Georgia is
only what he says. I doubt he is on the Black List ! It doesn't appear that
he has made contact with any 'real life' GMCers...or has he?

I think D.C. has the right answer...and I remain leery of what he says ????

Bill Bryant, did you see the post where he showed pics of the numbers X-ed
out on the frame?
Have you ever seen those sort of markings?

Mike in NS

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Dennis Sexton wrote:

> Kingsley Coach wrote on Mon, 30 November 2015 13:23
>> Netters
>>
>> I haven't totally followed this conversation, but I do have some
>> questions..
>> Who is ' Notavailable' ??
>>
>> Does anyone have an Name and an Address for him? It seems to me that
>> several people have asked the same question and I do not recall seeing an
>> answer or a reply from him.
>> It has been suggested several times to set up a 'signature' with this
>> information but he has not complied and flies anonymously through the GMC
>> net. This combined with a most unusual TZE number just makes me wonder
>> about a number of things!
>>
>> So I repeat...Who is Not available??
>>
>> Tks
>>
>> Mike in NS
>
>
> Mike
> I don't see "Not available" on the posts -- the originator is 1GMCMH, and
> he is shown as being in Georgia.
>
> Perhaps 1GMCMH will introduce himself.
>
> He has certainly been busy on his new acquisition!
>
> Dennis
>
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Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #291262 is a reply to message #291255] Mon, 30 November 2015 16:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Bill, another thought might be that the coach is much newer than that tag
would indicate, and has been swapped for an early (donor) coach vin tag in
order to not have to be smog tested as the later coaches have to be in
California. GMC did not attach the V.I.N. tags under the passenger side
engine hatch with screws. They used, and you confirm, special rivets.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Bill Bryant
wrote:

> Hope I can shed some light and not confuse this further:
>
> Many things changed year to year, an identification format that was used
> in 1973 may have changed in 1974 or any other year.
>
> First, TZE 166V902114 is NOT an odd number, it is an invalid TZE number as
> well as not a 1976 model (TZE166).
>
> The #902114 is the order #, can also be found at the top line of the
> service parts sticker on the glove box & other paperwork if you are
> fortunate
> enough to have the original build sheet.
>
> Dave Greenburg & I tried to make sense of much GMC information, order #s
> were all over the place and with no apparent order to the #s we eventually
> gave up. We did determine the following:
> 1973 & 74 order #s appear as 9xxxxx
> 1975 to 78 " " " " Sxxxxx (first 100-200 in 1975 appear as
> S5xxxx all others S0xxxx)
>
> 1973 or 1974?
> The highest 1973 TZE# I have listed is #3035 with a build date of 11-01-73
> The lowest 1974 TZE I have listed is #0020 " " " " " 11-12-73
> Since the glove box sticker is missing, the only way to tell for sure is
> the frame stamping found drivers side below the "sink" window (see my album
> for a picture).
>
> VIN tags on the firewall:
> 1973 & 74 tags were rectangular, higher than wide, the screws holding the
> faux firewall tag appears to use the original holes.
> 1975 to 78 tags were also rectangular, but wider than high. All genuine
> tags should have the numbers embossed and mounted with special rivets.
>
> Why the replacement tag, don't know except why would someone do
> that....... unless to deceive.
>
> What year? My guess is, a very late 1973
> My reason, just because ;^)
> Bill
>
>
> --
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> 1976~PB
> 1914 Ford
> 1965 Corvette
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Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #291263 is a reply to message #291260] Mon, 30 November 2015 17:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gary & Mike,

Gary, I had actually forgotten about the GEMINI build sheet found in some 1973 &74s. I was thinking about the GMC order sheets like this:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/miscellaneous-bryant-stuff/p59609-order-2fbuild-sheet-1.html

For the frame #s seee this link:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/miscellaneous-bryant-stuff/p31484-location-of-vin-on-frame.html

Mike, I had not seen frame #s before like you referenced xxxxx. Wonder what was being hidden :^(

Bill


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Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #291264 is a reply to message #291262] Mon, 30 November 2015 17:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bryant374 is currently offline  bryant374   United States
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Jim,

Good thought but hard to imagine because of:

Fake TZE actually tries to make it newer (TZE166)
1973 body side tag
1st style- poly wheel wells rear, side windows, dash, body framing, bump strip,AC, Glacier interior trim,raised engine hatch for unknown reason.

not obvious it ever made it to CA, looks like it has been in GA a very long time :^)
Bill


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Re: TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #291316 is a reply to message #291212] Tue, 01 December 2015 14:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wow! Huge job! Better you than me. Lookin' good so far.

Carl Stouffer '75 ex Palm Beach Tucson, AZ. Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
Re: TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292030 is a reply to message #291255] Mon, 14 December 2015 02:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous   United States
hi everyone,

would have posted a reply sooner but I was banned. when I asked what specific forum rule or "guideline" I had violated, I got no answer. seems it was on a whim due to some confusion on the email list so I think it was fixed so that my forum posts do not goto the email list now.

hopefully that will be that and we can continue here.

I have plenty more photos and info on the subject to share but first, I would like to respond to:



bryant374 wrote on Mon, 30 November 2015 15:22
Hope I can shed some light and not confuse this further:

Many things changed year to year, an identification format that was used in 1973 may have changed in 1974 or any other year.

First, TZE 166V902114 is NOT an odd number, it is an invalid TZE number as well as not a 1976 model (TZE166).

The #902114 is the order #, can also be found at the top line of the service parts sticker on the glove box & other paperwork if you are fortunate enough to have the original build sheet.

Dave Greenburg & I tried to make sense of much GMC information, order #s were all over the place and with no apparent order to the #s we eventually gave up. We did determine the following:
1973 & 74 order #s appear as 9xxxxx
1975 to 78 " " " " Sxxxxx (first 100-200 in 1975 appear as S5xxxx all others S0xxxx)

1973 or 1974?
The highest 1973 TZE# I have listed is #3035 with a build date of 11-01-73
The lowest 1974 TZE I have listed is #0020 " " " " " 11-12-73
Since the glove box sticker is missing, the only way to tell for sure is the frame stamping found drivers side below the "sink" window (see my album for a picture).

VIN tags on the firewall:
1973 & 74 tags were rectangular, higher than wide, the screws holding the faux firewall tag appears to use the original holes.
1975 to 78 tags were also rectangular, but wider than high. All genuine tags should have the numbers embossed and mounted with special rivets.

Why the replacement tag, don't know except why would someone do that....... unless to deceive.

What year? My guess is, a very late 1973
My reason, just because ;^)
Bill




thanks for those details, very interesting. however, I must very respectfully ask, what proof you have that this TZE number is "invalid"?

I no doubt have proof that it is an odd number but you have made a bold, and possibly baseless claim here, although you may be correct? (where were you when I posted questions before acquiring it? Wink and as of now, the lawful title holder of this coach I feel I must point out that without proof of claim, it is only a mans assumption/belief and not a verifiable fact at all. just sayin'

heres more on the numbers and dates:

these have been enhanced to make the numbers easier to read.
http://i.imgur.com/cxKJowJ.jpg

this one has also been flipped upsidedown. obviously, they were not trying to "hide" anything, else it would have been ground off instead of canceled out.
http://i.imgur.com/hPXE5y6.jpg

another shot of the V.I.N. plate. also obvious it has been there a long time, screw heads are same type as found all over and the plastic is warped from heat.
http://i.imgur.com/qDDLUtK.jpg
see the seventh post (by emerystora)in this thread http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=263407&rid=4679#msg_263407 for one confirmation that this type of plate was/is O.E.M.

here is a shot of the back of the bath:
http://i.imgur.com/o2i63RA.jpg

the dash was spray painted black at some point but underneath that, it is army green. it appears to have been installed from the factory before the windshields were becasue there are some screws holding it in that can not be removed without removing the windshields. they need to be replaced aswell so the plan now is to wait until Im ready to paint it, remove them, paint it, then replace the windshields & gaskets then the dash.
http://i.imgur.com/6qdvRkI.jpg

the window behind the driver has been replaced with plexyglass and will be deleted altogether. I hope to be able to source one of those optional two piece kitchen windows that slide open also.
http://i.imgur.com/y5R2xJu.jpg

Ive read alot about the spray foam insulation that was used is highly flammable but this coach also has a water pump wiring malfunction/short. it, and all the wires in that bundle which were foamed completely over, were burned to a crisp melting all the wire coating and leaving nothing but copper strands. in some spots it was in direct contact with the foam and it the foam did not ignite. all the low voltage wiring will be new but most of the 120vac was fine.
http://i.imgur.com/ErKwl8t.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/EohPEP6.jpg

this one shows another date marking on the underside of the bath floor:
http://i.imgur.com/82qhMES.jpg
that would have been right near this time: "GMC Motor Home assembly operations were shut down in early December 1973, the official reason was stated as "to bring inventories in line with retail sales." What started out at the beginning of the year as a great opportunity in a new market that at the time appeared almost limitless, suddenly had come to a screeching halt. The gasoline shortage had begun to seriously affect the RV industry." quoted from: http://www.gmcmi.com/basic-history/


http://i.imgur.com/Rqty0n2.jpg

more on the way.




Re: TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292031 is a reply to message #291212] Mon, 14 December 2015 02:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous   United States
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thin walled PVC pipe was shaped with a heatgun to fit inside the roof frame bows so running any new wires down the road will be much easier and the headliner will be much nicer/smoother.
http://i.imgur.com/hpIIHC8.jpg

I did this with the sides also, held in place with spray foam and makes a flush surface for the walls and headliner to attach to.
http://i.imgur.com/5TEgjD1.jpg

did I mention it was well insulated Wink here you can see that the frame has supports for the fridge vent but no vent was installed. this coach had a 120vac fridge, I plan to go with a 12vdc replacement so wont be needing that vent. I like the smooth look on the outside and from what I gather its also kinda rare this way too.
http://i.imgur.com/JTrQQx6.jpg

no wires or pipes in the way of the bath module now and reflectix insulation from top to bottom behind it.
http://i.imgur.com/tsBAL6G.jpg

the bath door had come unglued, love the light weight construction of it, and that had to be pretty advanced for the early 70's! the panels were also slightly warped, enough that 3M 77 spray adhesive wouldnt hold it down do I utilized 3M weather strip adhesive and some clamps until it dried. it worked great.
http://i.imgur.com/v8zFnlw.jpg

my ziptie technique to keep the wires from rubbing on the corner edges, I had filed off the sharp edges but still wasnt satisfied that would be enough. this trick works very well for organizing sparkplug wires aswell.
http://i.imgur.com/u5ZysQh.jpg

I have what I think is a really good idea for the horizontal raceway for the wires doubling as a full length light fixture. should look much like what you see in conversion van interiors when done. in fact I have an Explorer conversion also and will probably do the whole headliner in much the same fashion.
http://i.imgur.com/wq71Vka.jpg

the door way jamb for the bedroom ended up not on a floor frame rail so this is my removable mounting solution to attach it to the plywood floor. an allen head bolt, two square nuts, and a hole drilled and tapped into the square nuts. also used those threaded inserts with teeth (forget what they are called) that are pulled into the wood when tightened so they stay in place. I use these everywhere something was screwed or bolted into the wood flooring including the bath module.
http://i.imgur.com/T6DXyak.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wYoAqtX.jpg

what used to seem like big projects now pale in comparison to the GMC
http://i.imgur.com/h6HSbJG.jpg
Re: TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292032 is a reply to message #291212] Mon, 14 December 2015 02:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Anonymous   United States
previous projects:
http://i.imgur.com/d09wa76.jpg


the two components on the left are from a '96 GMC van, the piece on the right I made from 1/4" plastic sheet to make it work in the MH door since the gap was larger in it.
http://i.imgur.com/hWFmeZp.jpg

measure twice, cut/drill once.
http://i.imgur.com/zInn526.jpg

had to trim a 16th or so off the edges for it to lay down into the groove in the jamb. perfect fit.
http://i.imgur.com/wzuMUZ5.jpg

the door lock actuator is also from a '96 GMC van but I think it was used from '85 on up to at least 2005 for anyone looking. Ive gotten so used to having keyfob remote door locks on everything else so why not?
http://i.imgur.com/VxMjpD7.jpg


making progress. the bath module was a mess. I tried lots of compounds to bring back the shine and found that "wendol" metal polish worked best. much easier and much less elbow grease required with it.
http://i.imgur.com/ZGc294Y.jpg

after reading about the maxxvent fans sucking out the sewer fumes so bad I decided on an el cheapo vent fan for the bath. Ive added a small fan shroud that was made from an old paint can. it made a significant difference as before it was much like a mini ceiling fan and now it very effectively directs the air out.
http://i.imgur.com/6Fn31vO.jpg

this coach had copper tubing running over the bath module to the kitchen. I changed it to PEX running under the floor inside the frame rail.
http://i.imgur.com/41y7qQX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xjaXwwj.jpg

my version of the tankless WH install. didnt have or want a refer vent and didnt like the idea of having it in the bath compartment at first but its just optional for when dry camping. I made up a heat shield with some thin sheet metal and painted it with appliance epoxy, it fits inp lace with no hardware but I think I will make another with rolled edges instead. I just wanted to keep the heat from the burner off the plastic vent fan trim so its effective for that. the TWH came with a smaller shied which would probably have been fine but just to be sure..
http://i.imgur.com/F7g9hlG.jpg
Re: TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292034 is a reply to message #291212] Mon, 14 December 2015 02:56 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Anonymous   United States
probably going to replace the 70's looking blue sliding panels with something else but havnt decided what to use yet. in this shot you can also see a bit of the bedroom door that was the closet door. I'll post up more photos of that later if/when I have a chance.
http://i.imgur.com/dRjl4GE.jpg

you can kinda see how the heat shield sits in there in this shot.
http://i.imgur.com/yzrlixQ.jpg

I updated and remounted the bath lighting. I needed to add a 3/16" spacer so that the outdie panel/lens would lay flush.
http://i.imgur.com/KrxM4Jw.jpg

this is a temporary cover until I find something more appropriate. its all mounted like a woodgrain dash panel, in fact, the thumbscrew mounting hardware and idea were salvaged from an old Ferrari R.I.P but I may change them to a counter sunk alen design later. well see.
http://i.imgur.com/Tb4p8gJ.jpg

thats all for now.
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