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Newbie winterization question [message #289738]

Sat, 31 October 2015 10:56

Dan

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Winterizing my coach this year was better than last year since I installed a hot water bypass when I put in the new water heater, but it was still kind of a pain in the ass. Is there a valve I can install before the fresh water pump to make it easy to hook up a bottle of antifreeze there? A quick perusal of the home improvement stores did not turn up anything. The link below is a picture of my current set up.

http://imgur.com/tz6p17K

Thanks for your help!

Dan

Dan DeLuca 1978 Eleganza II (http://imgur.com/gallery/YFHhK) Parked at Evil Monkey Farm in Allentown, New Jersey

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Re: Newbie winterization question [message #289742 is a reply to message #289738]

Sat, 31 October 2015 12:32

Ken Burton

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Way-Brass-Ball-Valve-Full-L-Port-1-2-Female-NPT-600WOG-/321818382124?hash=item4aeddecf2c:g:YqcAAOSwu4BVrCRL

I'll bet Jim K. has something also. He seems to stock everything else.

Mine came from McMaster-carr.

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Re: [GMCnet] [Norton AntiSpam] Newbie winterization question [message #289743 is a reply to message #289738]

Sat, 31 October 2015 12:34

bdub

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http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/pump-converter-winterizer-kit/6279

-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist On Behalf Of Daniel DeLuca
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 10:57 AM

Winterizing my coach this year was better than last year since I installed a
hot water bypass when I put in the new water heater, but it was still
kind of a pain in the ass. Is there a valve I can install before the fresh
water pump to make it easy to hook up a bottle of antifreeze there? A
quick perusal of the home improvement stores did not turn up anything. The
link below is a picture of my current set up

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Re: [GMCnet] [Norton AntiSpam] Newbie winterization question [message #289760 is a reply to message #289743]

Sat, 31 October 2015 19:10

USAussie

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G'day,

I noticed that after installing this kit it reduced the flow rate of the house water system when the pump is used. It doesn't seem
to affect the flow rate appreciably when you're plugged into city water.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic

-----Original Message-----
From: Billy Massey

http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/pump-converter-winterizer-kit/6279

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel DeLuca

Winterizing my coach this year was better than last year since I installed a
hot water bypass when I put in the new water heater, but it was still
kind of a pain in the ass. Is there a valve I can install before the fresh
water pump to make it easy to hook up a bottle of antifreeze there? A
quick perusal of the home improvement stores did not turn up anything. The
link below is a picture of my current set up

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Re: [GMCnet] [Norton AntiSpam] Newbie winterization question [message #289761 is a reply to message #289760]

Sat, 31 October 2015 19:24

emerystora

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Rob
Since this goes between the water tank and the pump there is no way that it could possible affect the flow on the city water.

I have had one in for over 30 years now and have not noticed any reduction in flow from the pump.
Perhaps you have a defective valve with a restriction in it. Since it's a ball valve it is a straight through flow. The inside diameter of the valve is about the same as the tank fittings
So there should be no restrictions.
I would suggest you remove the valve and visually inspect and measure it. You might have a bad one.

Emery Stora

> On Oct 31, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
>
> G'day,
>
> I noticed that after installing this kit it reduced the flow rate of the house water system when the pump is used. It doesn't seem
> to affect the flow rate appreciably when you're plugged into city water.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Billy Massey
>
> http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/item/pump-converter-winterizer-kit/6279
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel DeLuca
>
> Winterizing my coach this year was better than last year since I installed a
> hot water bypass when I put in the new water heater, but it was still
> kind of a pain in the ass. Is there a valve I can install before the fresh
> water pump to make it easy to hook up a bottle of antifreeze there? A
> quick perusal of the home improvement stores did not turn up anything. The
> link below is a picture of my current set up
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Newbie winterization question [message #289762 is a reply to message #289742]

Sat, 31 October 2015 19:41

USAussie

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Ken,

That's WAY better than the kit as the valve ports are 1/2" pipe the ID of the fittings that would be screwed into that valve would
not restrict the flow as much!

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Burton

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Way-Brass-Ball-Valve-Full-L-Port-1-2-Female-NPT-600WOG-/321818382124?hash=item4aeddecf2c:g:YqcAAOSwu4BVrCR
L

I'll bet Jim K. has something also. He seems to stock everything else.

Mine came from McMaster-carr.
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Re: [GMCnet] [Norton AntiSpam] Newbie winterization question [message #289764 is a reply to message #289761]

Sat, 31 October 2015 20:45

USAussie

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Emery,

As far as reducing the flow through the city water all I can say is DOUH! ;-)

Also I should have noted in my first email that that I have an Avion and it is not plumbed the same as a GMC.

Here's a link to the water supply system schematic:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/aa-miscellaneous-photos/p57067-26-27-avion-water-supply-system.html

The Avion uses 1/2" OD copper tubing throughout, the connections to the dry bath sink are braided SS flex lines and shower are
reduced to 3/8" OD copper tubing. They are hard to see in right side of the photo below, I don't know what that white blotch is.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/under-double-trouble-27s-bathroom-sink/p36568-iota-auto-transfer-panel-c-2fb-panel-blue-sea-fuse-p
anel.html

The connection to the galley sink is also braided SS flex lines.

Here's the water pump setup:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6283-avion-water-pump-installation.html

Here's a photo of the water heater before the bypass kit was installed:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/xantrex-inverter-installation/p56755-xantrex-5-a.html

As you can see the copper tube is 1/2" OD.

I just bought one of the valves that KenB found on eBay and will replace the kit with that next time I'm in the USA.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426

-----Original Message-----
From: Emery Stora

Rob
Since this goes between the water tank and the pump there is no way that it could possible affect the flow on the city water.

I have had one in for over 30 years now and have not noticed any reduction in flow from the pump.
Perhaps you have a defective valve with a restriction in it. Since it's a ball valve it is a straight through flow. The inside
diameter of the valve is about the same as the tank fittings
So there should be no restrictions.
I would suggest you remove the valve and visually inspect and measure it. You might have a bad one.

Emery Stora

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Re: [GMCnet] [Norton AntiSpam] Newbie winterization question [message #289766 is a reply to message #289764]

Sat, 31 October 2015 21:09

emerystora

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I had no idea that Avion used 1/2" lines. Most of us have 3/8". I can see where the diverted valve would reduce the flow from those larger lines.

Emery Stora

> On Oct 31, 2015, at 7:45 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
>
> Emery,
>
> As far as reducing the flow through the city water all I can say is DOUH! ;-)
>
> Also I should have noted in my first email that that I have an Avion and it is not plumbed the same as a GMC.
>
> Here's a link to the water supply system schematic:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/aa-miscellaneous-photos/p57067-26-27-avion-water-supply-system.html
>
> The Avion uses 1/2" OD copper tubing throughout, the connections to the dry bath sink are braided SS flex lines and shower are
> reduced to 3/8" OD copper tubing. They are hard to see in right side of the photo below, I don't know what that white blotch is.
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/under-double-trouble-27s-bathroom-sink/p36568-iota-auto-transfer-panel-c-2fb-panel-blue-sea-fuse-p
> anel.html
>
> The connection to the galley sink is also braided SS flex lines.
>
> Here's the water pump setup:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6283-avion-water-pump-installation.html
>
> Here's a photo of the water heater before the bypass kit was installed:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/xantrex-inverter-installation/p56755-xantrex-5-a.html
>
> As you can see the copper tube is 1/2" OD.
>
> I just bought one of the valves that KenB found on eBay and will replace the kit with that next time I'm in the USA.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Emery Stora
>
> Rob
> Since this goes between the water tank and the pump there is no way that it could possible affect the flow on the city water.
>
> I have had one in for over 30 years now and have not noticed any reduction in flow from the pump.
> Perhaps you have a defective valve with a restriction in it. Since it's a ball valve it is a straight through flow. The inside
> diameter of the valve is about the same as the tank fittings
> So there should be no restrictions.
> I would suggest you remove the valve and visually inspect and measure it. You might have a bad one.
>
> Emery Stora
>
>
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Re: Newbie winterization question [message #289767 is a reply to message #289738]

Sat, 31 October 2015 21:25

John Heslinga

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Dan.

Here is what I use. I adaped the fill tube with some copper pipe to keep the tube in the jug. Note the jug lid and angled cut on the end of the tube. Easy Peasy. Make the tube long enough to put to your jug in a convenient spot. This is the Camping World RV fitting thats was mentioned.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6504/DSCF0797.JPG

Here is the Diversion Valve and hook up. With the antifreeze jug in place.
Remove the cap and install the tube fitting.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6504/DSCF0795.JPG

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6504/DSCF0798.JPG

And I use a simple air connection to blow out the system too. Many will tell its not needed but it's too cold here for me to gamble.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6504/DSCF1497.JPG

Best regards

John and Cathie Heslinga 1974 Canyonlands 260 455, Manny tranny and 1 ton, 3:70 LS, Red Seal Journeyman, DTE, BEd. MEd. Edmonton, Alberta

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Re: Newbie winterization question [message #289768 is a reply to message #289738]

Sat, 31 October 2015 21:30

John Heslinga

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Ooops. Should hsve put links for the email guys. Sorry

Photos in this folder.

[url]=http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6504-winterization-tools.html[/url]

John and Cathie Heslinga 1974 Canyonlands 260 455, Manny tranny and 1 ton, 3:70 LS, Red Seal Journeyman, DTE, BEd. MEd. Edmonton, Alberta

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Re: [GMCnet] Newbie winterization question [message #289799 is a reply to message #289768]

Sun, 01 November 2015 12:43

jimk

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We have kits that allow one to bypass the hot water tank.
Pour in the non toxic antifreeze in the tank in correct proportion and hit
all the outlets including the toilet.
Since the antifreeze is colored, it will be evident that it reached the
outlets.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 7:30 PM, John Heslinga wrote:

> Ooops. Should hsve put links for the email guys. Sorry
>
> Photos in this folder.
>
> [url]=[/color]
[color=blue]> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6504-winterization-tools.html[/url][/color]
>
> --
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> 1974 Canyonlands 260
> 455, Manny tranny and 1 ton, 3:70 LS,
> Red Seal Journeyman, DTE, BEd. MEd.
> Edmonton, Alberta
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