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Electrical issues [message #289469] Mon, 26 October 2015 15:19 Go to next message
Grrumpy is currently offline  Grrumpy   United States
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I have not been able to spend much time on the Escape Pod lately because of family responsibilities. So when I had a few minutes I decided to see if the plug by the generator was for a home hookup. Bad decision. When I attempted to plug in the extension cord, SPARKS. Everything was dead, no interior lights, generator panel out, Engine totally dead. Played around and found that all 12V systems and lights work and engine starts when the battery boost is engaged. Checked the batteries and the generator and one battery under the hood register less than 1 volt. The other had 12+ volts. I do not know which is the house battery. I will need help to remove the under hood batteries but I took the top off the generator battery and the plates in all cells look like they shattered. Similar to a dead battery with the plates swollen. The plug I was attempting to connect to is a male plug. I traced the wire inside under the bed into a junction box with some type of switches in it. I believe this switches from generator to shore power. I am not sure of what damage I have done other than toast two brand new batteries. Is there anything I can check before I replace the batteries or after before I start the generator. What is the purpose of the Mail plug on the outside. Two things you should know: 1. Obviously I know VERY little about electrical systems. Please phrase your response for the complete idiot. 2. This is a Transmode conversion and I have no idea who did the conversion or when.
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Re: [GMCnet] Electrical issues [message #289472 is a reply to message #289469] Mon, 26 October 2015 15:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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> On Oct 26, 2015, at 1:19 PM, Rober Myers wrote:
>
> I have not been able to spend much time on the Escape Pod lately because of family responsibilities. So when I had a few minutes I decided to see if
> the plug by the generator was for a home hookup. Bad decision. When I attempted to plug in the extension cord, SPARKS. Everything was dead, no
> interior lights, generator panel out, Engine totally dead. Played around and found that all 12V systems and lights work and engine starts when the
> battery boost is engaged. Checked the batteries and the generator and one battery under the hood register less than 1 volt. The other had 12+ volts. I
> do not know which is the house battery. I will need help to remove the under hood batteries but I took the top off the generator battery and the
> plates in all cells look like they shattered. Similar to a dead battery with the plates swollen. The plug I was attempting to connect to is a male
> plug. I traced the wire inside under the bed into a junction box with some type of switches in it. I believe this switches from generator to shore
> power. I am not sure of what damage I have done other than toast two brand new batteries. Is there anything I can check before I replace the batteries
> or after before I start the generator. What is the purpose of the Mail plug on the outside. Two things you should know: 1. Obviously I know VERY
> little about electrical systems. Please phrase your response for the complete idiot. 2. This is a Transmode conversion and I have no idea who did the
> conversion or when.
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/u42379-grrumpy.html
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> Chesapeake Va.
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> All electric
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[GMCnet] Electrical issues [message #289474 is a reply to message #289472] Mon, 26 October 2015 16:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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Or here
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On Monday, October 26, 2015, mr.erfisher@gmail.com
<
mr.erfisher@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Read here
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6225-how-to-check-out-your-own-electrics-gnc.html
>
>
> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> -------
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> Alternator Protection Cable
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>
> On Oct 26, 2015, at 1:19 PM, Rober Myers wrote:
>
> I have not been able to spend much time on the Escape Pod lately because
> of family responsibilities. So when I had a few minutes I decided to see if
> the plug by the generator was for a home hookup. Bad decision. When I
> attempted to plug in the extension cord, SPARKS. Everything was dead, no
> interior lights, generator panel out, Engine totally dead. Played around
> and found that all 12V systems and lights work and engine starts when the
> battery boost is engaged. Checked the batteries and the generator and one
> battery under the hood register less than 1 volt. The other had 12+ volts. I
> do not know which is the house battery. I will need help to remove the
> under hood batteries but I took the top off the generator battery and the
> plates in all cells look like they shattered. Similar to a dead battery
> with the plates swollen. The plug I was attempting to connect to is a male
> plug. I traced the wire inside under the bed into a junction box with some
> type of switches in it. I believe this switches from generator to shore
> power. I am not sure of what damage I have done other than toast two brand
> new batteries. Is there anything I can check before I replace the batteries
> or after before I start the generator. What is the purpose of the Mail
> plug on the outside. Two things you should know: 1. Obviously I know VERY
> little about electrical systems. Please phrase your response for the
> complete idiot. 2. This is a Transmode conversion and I have no idea who
> did the
>
> conversion or when.
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/u42379-grrumpy.html
> --
> Bob & Elena Myers
> Chesapeake Va.
> 1978 Transmode--Builder???
> All electric
>
> If you wish to live forever, pass on your knowledge to others.
>
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Re: Electrical issues [message #289478 is a reply to message #289469] Mon, 26 October 2015 17:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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Bill,

1 - I don't think we can credit the battery kill as yours.....
At the very least it is not at all likely that it occurred as a single event in a short period of time.
The credit for the kill should go the Magnetec converter. You may have assisted, but that remains to be evaluated.
2 - Back in the day, (late 60's Early 70's) this was a common way to feed power to an RV. If you plug the other end of a common extension cord into any 15amp receptacle, what you did should have been correct.
3 - To remove the battery, first, disconnect the battery and remove any clamps holding it.
Remove the left front wheel well liner. (May have a screw in the middle over the tire.)
Jack and block the coach so the top of the wheel is about level with the battery shelf.
Slide the battery out onto the tire.
4 - That is all correct. It at least was once, an automatic transfer switch. With your difficulties, I would suggest it may no longer be.
5 - When you replace them, put a small light bulb in series with the battery. How does not matter. With everything you know of shut down, it should not even glow a little. Any evidence of current means that there is a load on that system.

Good Luck

Matt


Grrumpy wrote on Mon, 26 October 2015 16:19
I have not been able to spend much time on the Escape Pod lately because of family responsibilities. So when I had a few minutes I decided to see if the plug by the generator was for a home hookup. Bad decision.
<1 - Not on your part.>
When I attempted to plug in the extension cord, SPARKS. Everything was dead, no interior lights, generator panel out, Engine totally dead. Played around and found that all 12V systems and lights work and engine starts when the battery boost is engaged. Checked the batteries and the generator and one battery under the hood register less than 1 volt. The other had 12+ volts. I do not know which is the house battery.
<2 - Was it dead before you tried to power up the coach?>
I will need help to remove the under hood batteries but I took the top off the generator battery and the plates in all cells look like they shattered. Similar to a dead battery with the plates swollen.
<3 - Something must have caused this and it can't happen fast.>
The plug I was attempting to connect to is a male plug. I traced the wire inside under the bed into a junction box with some type of switches in it. I believe this switches from generator to shore power.
<4 - This is all correct.>
I am not sure of what damage I have done other than toast two brand new batteries. Is there anything I can check before I replace the batteries or after before I start the generator.
<5 - You let them get dead.>
What is the purpose of the Mail plug on the outside. Two things you should know:
1. Obviously I know VERY little about electrical systems. Please phrase your response for the complete idiot.
<You are not the first electrically challenged here>
2. This is a Transmode conversion and I have no idea who did the conversion or when.
<Maybe someone can help you, but it really should not matter.>
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Re: Electrical issues [message #289613 is a reply to message #289469] Wed, 28 October 2015 18:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Grrumpy is currently offline  Grrumpy   United States
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Matt and Gene,
Thanks for your reply.
Tom McManus has offered to spend a weekend (to be determined) going through my coach with me to trace and identify the wiring.
I am sure Tom will have good suggestions on replacements. I will probably need to at least replace the converter. I would like to get all the input I can. Do you or anyone else have any suggestions on the best replacement for the converter and any thing else that will bring the "Escape Pod" up to date and a little safer. I would like to keep the outside plug for home shore power if possible but do not want even the possibility of a repeat meltdown.


Bob & Elena Myers Chesapeake Va. 1978 Transmode--Builder??? All electric If you wish to live forever, pass on your knowledge to others.
Re: Electrical issues [message #289614 is a reply to message #289613] Wed, 28 October 2015 19:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John  Sharpe is currently offline  John Sharpe   United States
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A little information is probably DANGEROUS! Wait till Tom or someone else well versed in rv electrical systems evaluates yours. Information on parts you may or may not need could put you in information overload in fast order.

John Sharpe
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Re: Electrical issues [message #289615 is a reply to message #289614] Wed, 28 October 2015 19:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Grrumpy is currently offline  Grrumpy   United States
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I agree I may get in overload but I doubt that Tom will. I would like to tap the Minds of all and then hash out the best way to proceed with my coach with Tom.

Bob & Elena Myers Chesapeake Va. 1978 Transmode--Builder??? All electric If you wish to live forever, pass on your knowledge to others.
Re: Electrical issues [message #289648 is a reply to message #289469] Thu, 29 October 2015 09:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob, no answers but questions you need to answer.
Do you have an on-board generator ?
Do you know if it runs and produces electricity ?
Do you want to be able to automatically switch your 110 V A/C (alternating current)
from being supplied by the generator to being supplied by being plugged in ?
Do you want to be able to run "some" 110 V A/C items without being plugged in
or running a generator ?
You mention you don't know which is the house battery and whicjh is the
chassis battery, you, maybe with help need to sort this out.
You need to make sure that you have a "good" battery that. you can use
as a chassis battery to start the engine even it if is temporary.
You need to have a separate good battery to use even if temporary
as a coach battery.
You need to try to determine what items on the coach side are 12 V
D/C and how much "battery" you want to power these items. Everything on
the chassis side that is 12V D/C "should" be powered by the engine starting
battery.
This should keep you busy for a while. If you don't mind, Post YOUR answers to my
questions as it may help with answers to your future questions.




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Re: Electrical issues [message #290214 is a reply to message #289613] Wed, 11 November 2015 12:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Grrumpy is currently offline  Grrumpy   United States
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Tom and Gail were kind enough to spend their entire weekend with the electrical issues in the "Escape Pod" (actually the wives went shopping). We (he) ran down the issues and kept me from frying myself. There were a few minor wiring problems but nothing major. Some things were not conventional but not wrong. The main issue appeared to be caused while the Pod was in storage by the PO. MICE. They did not appear to have eaten any wiring but urinated on everything in the buzz box causing the system to short out when plugged into the 110v shore power. I have ordered a new converter and Tom has again volunteered to help with the install.
We had a great Dinner Saturday and Lunch Sunday. My cell phone was left in the restaurant Sunday and Tom and I had to go back and retrieve it just before we left. I do not remember if I thanked them for their help and hospitality in the chaos just before leaving. If I did not, Tom please forgive me. If I did, I still would like to thank you publicly on this forum. I think we started a friendship that will go beyond the GMC and look forward to seeing you again.
Bob


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Re: Electrical issues [message #290219 is a reply to message #290214] Wed, 11 November 2015 16:03 Go to previous message
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Grrumpy wrote on Wed, 11 November 2015 13:37
Tom and Gail were kind enough to spend their entire weekend with the electrical issues in the "Escape Pod" (actually the wives went shopping). We (he) ran down the issues and kept me from frying myself. There were a few minor wiring problems but nothing major. Some things were not conventional but not wrong. The main issue appeared to be caused while the Pod was in storage by the PO. MICE. They did not appear to have eaten any wiring but urinated on everything in the buzz box causing the system to short out when plugged into the 110v shore power. I have ordered a new converter and Tom has again volunteered to help with the install.
We had a great Dinner Saturday and Lunch Sunday. My cell phone was left in the restaurant Sunday and Tom and I had to go back and retrieve it just before we left. I do not remember if I thanked them for their help and hospitality in the chaos just before leaving. If I did not, Tom please forgive me. If I did, I still would like to thank you publicly on this forum. I think we started a friendship that will go beyond the GMC and look forward to seeing you again.
Bob


As Bogey said "This could be the start of a beautiful friendship". You have a nice coach, different but nice. He has a left side wet bath with a front corner style kitchen, with rear twin beds.


Tom McManus
1977 Royale
Chesapeake VA

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