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| [GMCnet] The Restoration. Solid Oak flooring. [message #289341] |
Sat, 24 October 2015 23:27  |
BobDunahugh
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Linda wants a light colored floor since out cabinet's are dark solid walnut. We had a wood laminate manufactured floor in the convertible GMC. That type of flooring can't take any water. Found some 3/4 by 2,25 w solid oak flooring that you nail down. Then sand, and finish with a satin, clear porch, and floor polyurethane finish. That would handle small amounts of water better the the laminates. As I see it. Yes it weighs more. The Royale's are 12,000. The toad is 5,000. On my last 3700 mile trip I averaged 10.122 MPG. So what's a little more weigh at that point.Bob Dunahugh78 Royale
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Restoration. Solid Oak flooring. [message #289349 is a reply to message #289341] |
Sun, 25 October 2015 08:18  |
Ken Henderson
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Bob,
If you've never installed tongue and groove oak flooring, which your
description fits, my STRONG advice is, DON'T!
As a college student, almost 60 years ago, I sub-contracted to my carpenter
father to lay such flooring in a small 5 room house. Having helped him
over the previous 5 years to do a lot of that work, I was confident of my
ability to do so. WHAT A MISTAKE! Hardest work I EVER did -- he'd been
"carrying me" a HECK of a lot more than I realized during those previous 5
years. :-)
Seriously, quite aside from the skill and effort required or the excessive
weight, I don't think that material is at all suited for use in a
motorhome. It is not as impervious to water as one might suppose.
If you DO persist, be sure to rent one of the power nailers designed
specifically for installing that type flooring -- you can't swing a claw
hammer far enough in a GMC to drive the cut nails with which it should be
installed.
JMHO, based on experience.
Ken H.
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Bob Dunahugh wrote:
> Linda wants a light colored floor since out cabinet's are dark solid
> walnut. We had a wood laminate manufactured floor in the convertible GMC.
> That type of flooring can't take any water. Found some 3/4 by 2,25 w solid
> oak flooring that you nail down. Then sand, and finish with a satin, clear
> porch, and floor polyurethane finish. That would handle small amounts of
> water better the the laminates. As I see it. Yes it weighs more. The
> Royale's are 12,000. The toad is 5,000. On my last 3700 mile trip I
> averaged 10.122 MPG. So what's a little more weigh at that point.Bob
> Dunahugh78 Royale
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Restoration. Solid Oak flooring. [message #289351 is a reply to message #289349] |
Sun, 25 October 2015 08:48 |
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USAussie
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Ken,
I'm a big fan of high quality vinyl flooring; if the coach is gutted you can cover the plywood completely and it's water proof, and easy to clean. There are all kinds of patterns; faux stone, wood, boards, etc.
If you want carpeting go to a carpet store and by seconds, cut them to size and have them bound. When they get dirty take them outside shake them out or wash them!
Regards,
Rob
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Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 12:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] The Restoration. Solid Oak flooring.
Bob,
If you've never installed tongue and groove oak flooring, which your
description fits, my STRONG advice is, DON'T!
As a college student, almost 60 years ago, I sub-contracted to my carpenter
father to lay such flooring in a small 5 room house. Having helped him
over the previous 5 years to do a lot of that work, I was confident of my
ability to do so. WHAT A MISTAKE! Hardest work I EVER did -- he'd been
"carrying me" a HECK of a lot more than I realized during those previous 5
years. :-)
Seriously, quite aside from the skill and effort required or the excessive
weight, I don't think that material is at all suited for use in a
motorhome. It is not as impervious to water as one might suppose.
If you DO persist, be sure to rent one of the power nailers designed
specifically for installing that type flooring -- you can't swing a claw
hammer far enough in a GMC to drive the cut nails with which it should be
installed.
JMHO, based on experience.
Ken H.
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Bob Dunahugh wrote:
> Linda wants a light colored floor since out cabinet's are dark solid
> walnut. We had a wood laminate manufactured floor in the convertible GMC.
> That type of flooring can't take any water. Found some 3/4 by 2,25 w solid
> oak flooring that you nail down. Then sand, and finish with a satin, clear
> porch, and floor polyurethane finish. That would handle small amounts of
> water better the the laminates. As I see it. Yes it weighs more. The
> Royale's are 12,000. The toad is 5,000. On my last 3700 mile trip I
> averaged 10.122 MPG. So what's a little more weigh at that point.Bob
> Dunahugh78 Royale
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Rob M. (USAussie)
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Restoration. Solid Oak flooring. [message #289355 is a reply to message #289349] |
Sun, 25 October 2015 09:28 |
emerystora
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Bob
You should take a look at the vinyl plank flooring sold by Home Depot. IIt comes in 6"x3' pieces which when assembled looks just like the typical solid wood oak flooring. I used it in a basement remodel and laid it directly over the concrete.
I plan to put it in my FMC next summer or fall as soon as my back heals enough to allow me to get down on my knees and bend over.
It comes in several colors and is waterproof. It has a grain so it feels like wood. It covers small gaps in the subfloor well and there is also a thin underlayment available. It "floats" and has a 3/4" half lap with an adhesive to bind the panels together
It is called Allure. I see on line it is $1.97 to $2.29 per sq ft it the local store it is $2.09.
It comes in oak, cherry, bamboo, maple and others. It also has stone, marble, etc.
Emery Stira
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>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Bob Dunahugh wrote:
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>> Linda wants a light colored floor since out cabinet's are dark solid
>> walnut. We had a wood laminate manufactured floor in the convertible GMC.
>> That type of flooring can't take any water. Found some 3/4 by 2,25 w solid
>> oak flooring that you nail down. Then sand, and finish with a satin, clear
>> porch, and floor polyurethane finish. That would handle small amounts of
>> water better the the laminates. As I see it. Yes it weighs more. The
>> Royale's are 12,000. The toad is 5,000. On my last 3700 mile trip I
>> averaged 10.122 MPG. So what's a little more weigh at that point.Bob
>> Dunahugh78 Royale
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Restoration. Solid Oak flooring. [message #289357 is a reply to message #289355] |
Sun, 25 October 2015 09:30 |
emerystora
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That should have read GMC, not FMC. !!!
Emery Stora
> On Oct 25, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Emery Stora wrote:
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> Bob
> You should take a look at the vinyl plank flooring sold by Home Depot. IIt comes in 6"x3' pieces which when assembled looks just like the typical solid wood oak flooring. I used it in a basement remodel and laid it directly over the concrete.
>
> I plan to put it in my FMC next summer or fall as soon as my back heals enough to allow me to get down on my knees and bend over.
>
> It comes in several colors and is waterproof. It has a grain so it feels like wood. It covers small gaps in the subfloor well and there is also a thin underlayment available. It "floats" and has a 3/4" half lap with an adhesive to bind the panels together
>
> It is called Allure. I see on line it is $1.97 to $2.29 per sq ft it the local store it is $2.09.
> It comes in oak, cherry, bamboo, maple and others. It also has stone, marble, etc.
>
> Emery Stira
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>>> On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Bob Dunahugh wrote:
>>>
>>> Linda wants a light colored floor since out cabinet's are dark solid
>>> walnut. We had a wood laminate manufactured floor in the convertible GMC.
>>> That type of flooring can't take any water. Found some 3/4 by 2,25 w solid
>>> oak flooring that you nail down. Then sand, and finish with a satin, clear
>>> porch, and floor polyurethane finish. That would handle small amounts of
>>> water better the the laminates. As I see it. Yes it weighs more. The
>>> Royale's are 12,000. The toad is 5,000. On my last 3700 mile trip I
>>> averaged 10.122 MPG. So what's a little more weigh at that point.Bob
>>> Dunahugh78 Royale
>>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Restoration. Solid Oak flooring. [message #289367 is a reply to message #289349] |
Sun, 25 October 2015 11:56 |
KB
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What Ken said, and then some...
IMHO, flooring in an RV is at best a temporary thing. It is subject to too much water (leaks, showers, wet feet, spills),
dirt, intensive wear in the confined space, and huge swings in temperature and humidity that few houses have to endure.
The PO of our 23' did thin wood strip flooring which he glued to the plywood. It was an unbelievable mess to remove,
taking great chunks of plywood subfloor up with it, and requiring many hours of tedious scraping and sanding.
While not as bad as glue, if you install nail-down flooring the next owners will curse you, especially if you install it
under the cabinets. And if you don't install it under the cabinets, it will be a giant pain to fit around all the corners and edges.
It also expands and contracts a lot, so you'll have to allow for that in your installation. And while
you can sand and refinish real hardwood a few times (with care), I'd hate to be the one to do that job in an RV.
It would basically be all hand-work since few machines would fit enough to be useful.
I love hardwood flooring and have installed a lot of it in our home, but would never put it in an RV.
If you're installing flooring in a GMC, think of the next guy and having to replace the stuff,
cuz that guy could easily be you.
Just my .02.
Karen
1975 26'
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Restoration. Solid Oak flooring. [message #289395 is a reply to message #289394] |
Sun, 25 October 2015 16:02 |
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I seem to remember that someone here recommended 1 foot square, commercial, heavy-duty, carpet tiles for use as flooring material.
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> Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:56:05 -0600
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> From: kab7@sonic.net
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] The Restoration. Solid Oak flooring.
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> How about some kind of sacrificial (ie, easily replaced) section in the problem area?
>
> Ceramic tile would be easier to install than tongue and groove hardwood (because of the difficulty nailing edges
> and the expansion/contraction issues), and not that much heavier. Real pain to change out later though,
> and you'd need a latex modifier in thinset to make it flexible. Could staple 1/4" cement board to the floor first
> and then tile over that -- at least wouldn't have to scrape the plywood later...
>
> One thing we did in our coaches that I really like: electric floor heating.
> I used this stuff: https://www.thermosoft.com/radiant-floor-heating-products/shop/thermofloor-120v
>
> Just throwing out ideas.
>
> Karen
> 1975 26'
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> BobDunahugh wrote on Sun, 25 October 2015 09:56
>> One of the issues that I have to deal with that most don't have too. Is the floor has to with stand the twisting of a powered wheelchair wheel as
>> the tire sometimes has to turn while staying in just one place. Plus due to the confined space. That o curse in the same spot more often then
>> normal. At home. None of the vinyl, or carpet has survived. Even wool laminates have been pushed to the limits. The only flooring that has held up
>> well, has been our ceramic tile, and the original oak floors. ( I recently bought 4100 LBS of ceramic tile for the house. Brought it home in my dump
>> truck. I started putting that down myself. That little project is moving along also. ) I need more project to do at one time. RIGHT. A person in a
>> wheelchair changes everything.
>> Bob Dunahugh78 Royale
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Restoration. Solid Oak flooring. [message #289397 is a reply to message #289394] |
Sun, 25 October 2015 16:04 |
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I did bamboo in our coach. Nailed and glued it where I couldn't nail it.
Hell for strong. Made up of tiny strands of bamboo fibers. Finish goes
clear through the stuff. Drop heavy stuff like 1 ton parts on it. Doesn't
seem to hurt it. Water either. Judy loves it. Sweeps and mops well.
Just what I did.
Jim Hupy
On Oct 25, 2015 1:57 PM, "KB" wrote:
> How about some kind of sacrificial (ie, easily replaced) section in the
> problem area?
>
> Ceramic tile would be easier to install than tongue and groove hardwood
> (because of the difficulty nailing edges
> and the expansion/contraction issues), and not that much heavier. Real
> pain to change out later though,
> and you'd need a latex modifier in thinset to make it flexible. Could
> staple 1/4" cement board to the floor first
> and then tile over that -- at least wouldn't have to scrape the plywood
> later...
>
> One thing we did in our coaches that I really like: electric floor heating.
> I used this stuff:
> https://www.thermosoft.com/radiant-floor-heating-products/shop/thermofloor-120v
>
> Just throwing out ideas.
>
> Karen
> 1975 26'
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> BobDunahugh wrote on Sun, 25 October 2015 09:56
>> One of the issues that I have to deal with that most don't have too. Is
> the floor has to with stand the twisting of a powered wheelchair wheel as
>> the tire sometimes has to turn while staying in just one place. Plus due
> to the confined space. That o curse in the same spot more often then
>> normal. At home. None of the vinyl, or carpet has survived. Even wool
> laminates have been pushed to the limits. The only flooring that has held up
>> well, has been our ceramic tile, and the original oak floors. ( I
> recently bought 4100 LBS of ceramic tile for the house. Brought it home in
> my dump
>> truck. I started putting that down myself. That little project is
> moving along also. ) I need more project to do at one time. RIGHT. A person
> in a
>> wheelchair changes everything.
>> Bob Dunahugh78 Royale
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Restoration. Solid Oak flooring. [message #289400 is a reply to message #289341] |
Sun, 25 October 2015 16:50 |
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Bob -
Some decades of dealing with studio floors indicates that nothing survives long in high traffic area. Remember, the jock is wheeling around in a small area on a castered stool or tall chair, the contact patch of the casters being somewhat smaller than a power chair. We finally settled on carpet squares, which are set with a non-hardening glue. When they wear out, simply peel up and replace. You can cut them to fit pretty much anything with a pair of heavy shears. One caveat - the manufacturers change patterns and colors (and obsolete old ones) regularly. Buy a couple of extra boxes and toss them in the closer for future replacements which will match.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Restoration. Solid Oak flooring. [message #289438 is a reply to message #289341] |
Mon, 26 October 2015 08:17 |
jhbridges
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I emailed my boss and copied Mac - hopefully we'll get a source.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Restoration. Solid Oak flooring. [message #289464 is a reply to message #289457] |
Mon, 26 October 2015 12:22 |
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And now for something completely different:
Back in the 80's, my company built about 30 Circle-K convenience stores. Most of these stores has a raised plywood floor, on 2 X 4 sleepers, behind the checkout counters. This is a VERY high traffic area. The flooring they specced out for those platforms was Roppe Raised Radial rubber tile
http://www.roppe.com/products/raiseddesign/index.html
It is applied with a two part epoxy adhesive and is very durable, if not kind of industrial looking. I noticed, on a trip to Disneyland, some years ago, that they used the same product on the ramps and walkways to the various rides and attractions. This may not be the look you are after, but it will certainly stand up to the wear and tear you expect to put on it. There are other manufacturers of this type of product as well.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] The Restoration. Solid Oak flooring. [message #289502 is a reply to message #289341] |
Tue, 27 October 2015 08:39 |
jhbridges
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We used the Roppe product in our shop areas and lounge areas. It's kind of industrial looking but wears well. For acoustics, we'd rather have a soft surface in the studios, hence the carpet squares... which look a lot better in the bargain. Mac has the name and contact for the local guy we got it from, hopefully he can provide manufacturer.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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