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Where does cruise control get its vacuum [message #289073] Tue, 20 October 2015 19:49 Go to next message
Darryl is currently offline  Darryl   United States
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My OEM cruise control hasn't worked since one of our GMC vendors replaced my engine a year and a half ago. I checked all the obvious electrical and vacuum connections and asked whether something might not have been connected properly but finally concluded the transducer needed replacement again(it was replaced a year or so before the engine). I finally got around to swapping the transducer but decided to do a more thorough check of the vacuum lines first so I would have a better understanding of how things worked and what went where. I traced a vacuum line behind the servo under the step and pulled it up and found a tee fitting in the middle of it with nothing connected. Finally looked closer and saw the nipple on the back of the servo and realized the line had probably never been reconnected to the servo. Problem solved? Well, maybe part of it.

Then I started thinking about where the transducer gets its vacuum. There are two nipples on the side of the transducer and only one is connected to a vacuum hose (it goes to the orifice tube, the servo and the brake release switch). The maintenance manual shows a vacuum line from the second nipple to the intake manifold but it's not clear where it connects to the intake manifold. The Christmas tree (TVS valve) has three vacuum lines coming off it. The top one goes to the carburetor, the middle one to the distributor and the bottom one goes to another point on the intake manifold with a tee connection going to a steel line that seems to go down to the transmission.

So, two questions. First, if I run a vacuum line from the transducer to the intake manifold where do I connect it. Should I tee into one of the existing lines? Which one or does it matter? Second, the vacuum lines associated with the transducer are larger (3/8 inch?) than the other vacuum lines (1/4 inch?). Should the new line be the larger diameter?


Darryl Meyers 1978 Eleganza II El Dorado Hills, CA
Re: Where does cruise control get its vacuum [message #289075 is a reply to message #289073] Tue, 20 October 2015 21:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
wally is currently offline  wally   United States
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Darryl wrote on Tue, 20 October 2015 19:49
My OEM cruise control hasn't worked since one of our GMC vendors replaced my engine a year and a half ago. I checked all the obvious electrical and vacuum connections and asked whether something might not have been connected properly but finally concluded the transducer needed replacement again(it was replaced a year or so before the engine). I finally got around to swapping the transducer but decided to do a more thorough check of the vacuum lines first so I would have a better understanding of how things worked and what went where. I traced a vacuum line behind the servo under the step and pulled it up and found a tee fitting in the middle of it with nothing connected. Finally looked closer and saw the nipple on the back of the servo and realized the line had probably never been reconnected to the servo. Problem solved? Well, maybe part of it.

Then I started thinking about where the transducer gets its vacuum. There are two nipples on the side of the transducer and only one is connected to a vacuum hose (it goes to the orifice tube, the servo and the brake release switch). The maintenance manual shows a vacuum line from the second nipple to the intake manifold but it's not clear where it connects to the intake manifold. The Christmas tree (TVS valve) has three vacuum lines coming off it. The top one goes to the carburetor, the middle one to the distributor and the bottom one goes to another point on the intake manifold with a tee connection going to a steel line that seems to go down to the transmission.

So, two questions. First, if I run a vacuum line from the transducer to the intake manifold where do I connect it. Should I tee into one of the existing lines? Which one or does it matter? Second, the vacuum lines associated with the transducer are larger (3/8 inch?) than the other vacuum lines (1/4 inch?). Should the new line be the larger diameter?

Page 12-37 of manual X7525 shows the cruise vacuum source connected to a tee in the manifold forward of the carb. I would guess later years would be the same.
http://www.bdub.net/factory-manuals.html

HTH


Wally Anderson
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75 Glenbrook
Re: Where does cruise control get its vacuum [message #289104 is a reply to message #289075] Wed, 21 October 2015 14:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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Mine is attached to the rear vacuum port in the center of the manifold behind the carb.

Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: Where does cruise control get its vacuum [message #289108 is a reply to message #289104] Wed, 21 October 2015 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ken has the right vacuum source, and it works even better when you add a reservoir with a check valve in that line.

Terry Kelpien ASE Master Technician 73 Glacier 260 Smithfield, Va.
Re: Where does cruise control get its vacuum [message #289122 is a reply to message #289073] Wed, 21 October 2015 17:40 Go to previous message
Darryl is currently offline  Darryl   United States
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Thanks Ken and Terry

I hadn't seen a clear answer as of this morning so I teed into the line going from the Christmas tree to the carb. Haven't tested it yet. If that doesn't work or it affects engine performance I'll find the source you mentioned and tap into that.


Darryl Meyers 1978 Eleganza II El Dorado Hills, CA
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