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78403 is currently offline  78403   United States
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I just got a 78 GMC motorhome 23'. I have removed both fuel tanks for line replacement. I wanted to just reinstall the rear main tank and leave the front one out. I would cap the filler pipe outlet for the front tank. I also am going to installed as much hard line as I can to prevent a rubber line from causing a fire. I think 25 gal of fuel is plenty these days as gas stations are closer together then they were back then. This would also lighten the couch up some and prevent the fuel transfer caused by going up and down hills. What are your thoughts on this? I will use the Onan pickup tube that is already in the rear tank this way the Onan wont drain the tank. I will still have a 1/4 tank once the Onan's pickup starts sucking air.

Marvin Briggs 1978 23'birch redone interior modernized. Mostly stock olds 403 original 80,000 miles Kingman AZ
Re: [GMCnet] Single fuel tank [message #288570 is a reply to message #288568] Mon, 12 October 2015 12:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would have a third tank if I could.

Sully
77 royale
Seattle

On Monday, October 12, 2015, marvin wrote:

> I just got a 78 GMC motorhome 23'. I have removed both fuel tanks for line
> replacement. I wanted to just reinstall the rear main tank and leave the
> front one out. I would cap the filler pipe outlet for the front tank. I
> also am going to installed as much hard line as I can to prevent a rubber
> line
> from causing a fire. I think 25 gal of fuel is plenty these days as gas
> stations are closer together then they were back then. This would also
> lighten
> the couch up some and prevent the fuel transfer caused by going up and
> down hills. What are your thoughts on this? I will use the Onan pickup tube
> that is already in the rear tank this way the Onan wont drain the tank. I
> will still have a 1/4 tank once the Onan's pickup starts sucking air.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Single fuel tank [message #288573 is a reply to message #288568] Mon, 12 October 2015 12:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gary Worobec is currently offline  Gary Worobec   United States
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Marvin, you are only going to get 10 miles to the gallon at the very best.
Because of the shallow tanks the usable gas is not going to be 25 gallons so
you better be starting to look for a gas station at about 175 miles. I
ran totally dry once and my coach took 48 gallons and that was on a very
flat hwy outside of Tucson. Fortunately we were convoying with Howard
Neilson and he went and got some gas for us. Any ups and downs in the road
with 5 or 6 gallons only and you could have some fuel delivery issues.


Thanks,

Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA





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Subject: [GMCnet] Single fuel tank

I just got a 78 GMC motorhome 23'. I have removed both fuel tanks for line
replacement. I wanted to just reinstall the rear main tank and leave the
front one out. I would cap the filler pipe outlet for the front tank. I also
am going to installed as much hard line as I can to prevent a rubber line
from causing a fire. I think 25 gal of fuel is plenty these days as gas
stations are closer together then they were back then. This would also
lighten the couch up some and prevent the fuel transfer caused by going up
and down hills. What are your thoughts on this? I will use the Onan pickup
tube that is already in the rear tank this way the Onan wont drain the tank.
I will still have a 1/4 tank once the Onan's pickup starts sucking air.

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Re: [GMCnet] Single fuel tank [message #288574 is a reply to message #288570] Mon, 12 October 2015 12:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Olly Schmidt is currently offline  Olly Schmidt   United States
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I would only remove the tank to replace it with another form of energy
container that would assist me driving, for example some in-wheel
electro motor in the rear.

The more energy I can carry, the better I feel.

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Re: Single fuel tank [message #288576 is a reply to message #288568] Mon, 12 October 2015 12:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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All depends on your own use. in my opinion, 25 gallons, you only a solid 150 miles a tank. even though it would make those fills look a little less costly, I would think you would be hunting down gas stations a little too often. My old Grand Wagoneer had a small tank, with a 200 mile range, and even though gas fill ups were quick and less money, watching the fuel gauge drop fast really was an eye opener.

I am actually worried about traveling to the west coast some day with the 50 gallons in my coach. I have crossed montana many times, and you want to get gas at the big gas stations in major towns because between the big towns, the gas costs quite a bit more, and can be a few miles off the exit, and some of the larger towns are 300 miles apart.

also on genset usage, you would have 20 gallons max, and at an hour per gallon, that is less then 24 hours of generator run time.

I am with sully, a third tank would be nice.



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Re: [GMCnet] Single fuel tank [message #288577 is a reply to message #288576] Mon, 12 October 2015 13:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Manny Travao is now making and marketing a 50 gallon stainless steel fuel
tank. It fits where the two tanks reside. Only one fill inlet, one fuel
supply line, one sending unit. Never will rust out. If you want to know
more about it, contact Manny at mannystrannies.com.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Oct 12, 2015 10:49 AM, "Jon Roche" wrote:

> All depends on your own use. in my opinion, 25 gallons, you only a solid
> 150 miles a tank. even though it would make those fills look a little
> less costly, I would think you would be hunting down gas stations a little
> too often. My old Grand Wagoneer had a small tank, with a 200 mile range,
> and even though gas fill ups were quick and less money, watching the fuel
> gauge drop fast really was an eye opener.
>
> I am actually worried about traveling to the west coast some day with the
> 50 gallons in my coach. I have crossed montana many times, and you want to
> get gas at the big gas stations in major towns because between the big
> towns, the gas costs quite a bit more, and can be a few miles off the exit,
> and
> some of the larger towns are 300 miles apart.
>
> also on genset usage, you would have 20 gallons max, and at an hour per
> gallon, that is less then 24 hours of generator run time.
>
> I am with sully, a third tank would be nice.
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Single fuel tank [message #288578 is a reply to message #288577] Mon, 12 October 2015 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Manny Travao is now making and marketing a 50 gallon stainless steel fuel
tank. It fits where the two tanks reside. Only one fill inlet, one fuel
supply line, one sending unit. Never will rust out. If you want to know
more about it, contact Manny at


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Re: [GMCnet] Single fuel tank [message #288579 is a reply to message #288577] Mon, 12 October 2015 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When I remodeled our coach in 2000, I installed a slide-out. For it to
work, the front tank had to be removed. I had a tank made out of 16g
stainless that fit inside the inner frame but the cross member between the
original tanks had to be moved to the end of the inner frame. That actually
meant making another frame. Anyway it worked so well.
For this project with my son's coach, we're adding two slide-outs so the
same thing applies but this time we built 10 fuel tanks.

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Re: Single fuel tank [message #288580 is a reply to message #288568] Mon, 12 October 2015 14:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for all the suggestions. Looks like I will be putting both tanks back in. I didn't think about fuel slosh. One more question I was wanting to do full metal line from the senders across the top of the tanks. Then have just a short section of hose connect to another steel line to the engine. I would swage the end of the steel line and slip it over the stub on the sender and then braze it up. Any comments on this?

Marvin Briggs 1978 23'birch redone interior modernized. Mostly stock olds 403 original 80,000 miles Kingman AZ
Re: [GMCnet] Single fuel tank [message #288581 is a reply to message #288580] Mon, 12 October 2015 15:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Marvin, I think you would have a problem with a hard connection brazed at
the sender. Why not use a short (6 inches or so) piece of stainless braid
over rubber hose double clamped if you are worried about animals or chafing
to make the connection.


Thanks,

Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA



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Thanks for all the suggestions. Looks like I will be putting both tanks back
in. I didn't think about fuel slosh. One more question I was wanting to do
full metal line from the senders across the top of the tanks. Then have just
a short section of hose connect to another steel line to the engine. I would
swage the end of the steel line and slip it over the stub on the sender and
then braze it up. Any comments on this?

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Re: Single fuel tank [message #288584 is a reply to message #288568] Mon, 12 October 2015 16:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What kind of problem might I have? I just hate rubber connections especially under the floor where I cant see them. The tank shouldn't flex that much at least not enough to break a line would it? Brake lines are always hard line straight to the master cylinder and the body flexes a lot more than a fuel tank. The only other option is the cut holes in the floor and use two short pieces of hose and then hard line. I just not sure if fumes would be coming up the floor.

I might seem a little paranoid on this but you see I had my house catch fire a couple years ago. Ever since I always think about fire prevention. I probably have more fire extinguishers in my house then a business. A little car extinguisher kept my house from burning to the ground.


Marvin Briggs 1978 23'birch redone interior modernized. Mostly stock olds 403 original 80,000 miles Kingman AZ
Re: Single fuel tank [message #288586 is a reply to message #288584] Mon, 12 October 2015 16:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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78403 wrote on Mon, 12 October 2015 16:03
What kind of problem might I have? I just hate rubber connections especially under the floor where I cant see them. The tank shouldn't flex that much at least not enough to break a line would it? Brake lines are always hard line straight to the master cylinder and the body flexes a lot more than a fuel tank. The only other option is the cut holes in the floor and use two short pieces of hose and then hard line. I just not sure if fumes would be coming up the floor.

I might seem a little paranoid on this but you see I had my house catch fire a couple years ago. Ever since I always think about fire prevention. I probably have more fire extinguishers in my house then a business. A little car extinguisher kept my house from burning to the ground.
You could use compression fittings at the tank. Here's an example connecting to nylon line, but should be able to so the same to metal line.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/4895/medium/sender_8.jpg

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Re: [GMCnet] Single fuel tank [message #288587 is a reply to message #288584] Mon, 12 October 2015 16:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Marvin
Where do you live? I'm on email and it doesn't show.
Keep your paranoia under control if you can...you don't have to reinvent
the wheel on everything.

Mike in NS

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 6:03 PM, marvin wrote:

> What kind of problem might I have? I just hate rubber connections
> especially under the floor where I cant see them. The tank shouldn't flex
> that much
> at least not enough to break a line would it? Brake lines are always hard
> line straight to the master cylinder and the body flexes a lot more than a
> fuel tank. The only other option is the cut holes in the floor and use two
> short pieces of hose and then hard line. I just not sure if fumes would be
> coming up the floor.
>
> I might seem a little paranoid on this but you see I had my house catch
> fire a couple years ago. Ever since I always think about fire prevention. I
> probably have more fire extinguishers in my house then a business. A
> little car extinguisher kept my house from burning to the ground.
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Re: Single fuel tank [message #288588 is a reply to message #288568] Mon, 12 October 2015 16:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I like the compression fittings might even inverted flare them and use a union. What kind of nylon line is that? The only nylon line I have seen is for diesel.

Kingsley I am in Kingman AZ.


Marvin Briggs 1978 23'birch redone interior modernized. Mostly stock olds 403 original 80,000 miles Kingman AZ
Re: [GMCnet] Single fuel tank [message #288589 is a reply to message #288580] Mon, 12 October 2015 16:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have been using a brass compression fitting for several years.
Many others are also using them. Flexing is no problem.

Emery Stora

> On Oct 12, 2015, at 1:28 PM, marvin wrote:
>
> Thanks for all the suggestions. Looks like I will be putting both tanks back in. I didn't think about fuel slosh. One more question I was wanting to
> do full metal line from the senders across the top of the tanks. Then have just a short section of hose connect to another steel line to the engine. I
> would swage the end of the steel line and slip it over the stub on the sender and then braze it up. Any comments on this?
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Single fuel tank [message #288590 is a reply to message #288588] Mon, 12 October 2015 16:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Marvin,
All I'm saying is that a hard line brazed to the outlet port on the sender
does not seem like a good idea to me. Brake line is a whole different deal.
Brake lines cannot expand under pressure hence solid line and when a flex
section is used it is high pressure hose or an expensive stainless steel
over Teflon line.


Thanks,

Gary Worobec
Director, Product Development
Paxton/Patterson
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I like the compression fittings might even inverted flare them and use a
union. What kind of nylon line is that? The only nylon line I have seen is
for diesel.

Kingsley I am in Kingman AZ.

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Re: [GMCnet] Single fuel tank [message #288591 is a reply to message #288588] Mon, 12 October 2015 17:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There are many different connectors for fuel lines out there. The
Parker-Hannefin style are very good. If your rigid lines to be joined are
bubble crimped on the ends, there really is nothing wrong with high quality
gates barrier fuel injection hose and circle clamps made for fuel
injection, or just spring loaded clamps that continously keep tension on
the hose. Inverted flares are very good if they are properly done and the
lines are undamaged by corrosion or split along the seam by the flaring
tool. Hard to see what you are doing up close to the fuel sender. My least
favorite would be slip over ferrules and unions. My fuel line from the
mechanical pump to the Carb is AN style fuel fittings like I have always
used on race car fuel injection systems. They are hard to work with, but
are nearly bullet proof. BUT ALL THAT ASIDE, nothing beats opening the
hatch and looking to see what is going on under ther EVERY TIME you start
the engine. You will be surprised how quickly a squirrel or mice can build
a nest under your air cleaner on top of that nice warm dry engine.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 2:38 PM, marvin wrote:

> I like the compression fittings might even inverted flare them and use a
> union. What kind of nylon line is that? The only nylon line I have seen is
> for diesel.
>
> Kingsley I am in Kingman AZ.
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Re: Single fuel tank [message #288592 is a reply to message #288568] Mon, 12 October 2015 17:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Looks like I will be going the compression union route thanks everyone for the help.

Marvin Briggs 1978 23'birch redone interior modernized. Mostly stock olds 403 original 80,000 miles Kingman AZ
Re: [GMCnet] Single fuel tank [message #288596 is a reply to message #288577] Mon, 12 October 2015 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That URL doesn't fly, Jim.

Try: http://www.mannystransmission.biz/tranny/

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> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:17:31 -0700
> From: jamesh1296@gmail.com
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Single fuel tank
>
> Manny Travao is now making and marketing a 50 gallon stainless steel fuel
> tank. It fits where the two tanks reside. Only one fill inlet, one fuel
> supply line, one sending unit. Never will rust out. If you want to know
> more about it, contact Manny at mannystrannies.com.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403

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Re: [GMCnet] Single fuel tank [message #288597 is a reply to message #288596] Mon, 12 October 2015 17:34 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Thanks Mac. I have Manny on speed dial in my cell phone. Tried to recall
that URL from my head. Bad practice, that.
Jim Hupy
On Oct 12, 2015 3:31 PM, "D C _Mac_ Macdonald" wrote:

> That URL doesn't fly, Jim.
>
> Try: http://www.mannystransmission.biz/tranny/
>
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>> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 11:17:31 -0700
>> From: jamesh1296@gmail.com
>> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Single fuel tank
>>
>> Manny Travao is now making and marketing a 50 gallon stainless steel fuel
>> tank. It fits where the two tanks reside. Only one fill inlet, one fuel
>> supply line, one sending unit. Never will rust out. If you want to know
>> more about it, contact Manny at mannystrannies.com.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
>> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
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