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Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288349] Thu, 08 October 2015 07:43 Go to next message
aronasoc is currently offline  aronasoc   United States
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I am working on my fuel system. I still have the factory original fuel tank selector valve. Do I need this valve, or can I connect the two tank fuel lines to the one line going to the front of the coach? I realize I will not have a fuel reserve capability but I don't run the tanks down to empty anyway. Let me know if there is a function I am missing, or if can I take it out.



Nick Aron Burlington, WI; 1975 Glenbrook - all original; 1964 Bonneville; 1966 VW Camper
Re: Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288352 is a reply to message #288349] Thu, 08 October 2015 07:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You won't be able to access the fuel in the rear tank below the crossover tube. That's the only reason I can think of.

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Re: Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288353 is a reply to message #288349] Thu, 08 October 2015 08:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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aronasoc wrote on Thu, 08 October 2015 08:43
but I don't run the tanks down to empty anyway.



Famous last words Very Happy


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Re: Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288354 is a reply to message #288349] Thu, 08 October 2015 08:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If the fuel is low (~~ 1/4) and you start up a hill, you'll uncover the front pickup and pull air. The engine will stop even though you have fuel in the tanks. You might consider running on the rear alone, which will allow you to run all the gas out except about a fourth in the front tank.

--johnny


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Re: Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288356 is a reply to message #288349] Thu, 08 October 2015 08:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Here's one (of several) ways of doing away with both the selector valve and the engine driven pump. I've had no vapor lock systems since this install.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/cane-9-creek-rv-park-heflin-2c-al/p58467-fuel-pump-follies.html

--johnny


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Re: Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288358 is a reply to message #288349] Thu, 08 October 2015 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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Nick,

For reasons that may not be intuitively obvious, if you just T the delivery lines together, you will not always be pulling fuel from the most full tank. (Ask any low wing pilot.) The system actually works very well as it is (except for the old rubber and alcohol issues discussed here ad nauseum). The biggest issue is that the replacement valve that is available is upside down and backwards from the original and that complicates mounting.

We also kind of like the 450+ mile tank range that lets us work GasBuddy.com to great advantage.
One big advantage seldom mentioned here is that it allows you to reserve fuel for the APU.

Matt

aronasoc wrote on Thu, 08 October 2015 08:43
I am working on my fuel system. I still have the factory original fuel tank selector valve. Do I need this valve, or can I connect the two tank fuel lines to the one line going to the front of the coach? I realize I will not have a fuel reserve capability but I don't run the tanks down to empty anyway. Let me know if there is a function I am missing, or if can I take it out.



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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288359 is a reply to message #288358] Thu, 08 October 2015 10:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
bdub is currently offline  bdub   United States
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A picture is worth a thousand words....

http://gmcmotorhome.info/tank.html


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 8:58 AM

Nick,

For reasons that may not be intuitively obvious, if you just T the delivery
lines together, you will not always be pulling fuel from the most full tank.
(Ask any low wing pilot.) The system actually works very well as it is
(except for the old rubber and alcohol issues discussed here ad nauseum).
The biggest issue is that the replacement valve that is available is upside
down and backwards from the original and that complicates mounting.

We also kind of like the 450+ mile tank range that lets us work GasBuddy.com
to great advantage.
One big advantage seldom mentioned here is that it allows you to reserve
fuel for the APU.

Matt

aronasoc wrote on Thu, 08 October 2015 08:43
> I am working on my fuel system. I still have the factory original fuel
> tank selector valve. Do I need this valve, or can I connect the two
> tank fuel lines to the one line going to the front of the coach? I realize
I will not have a fuel reserve capability but I don't run the tanks down to
empty anyway. Let me know if there is a function I am missing, or if can I
take it out.



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Re: Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288361 is a reply to message #288349] Thu, 08 October 2015 10:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think there are major advantages of the valve.

It is not crazy spendy.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B005ETOVZM/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1444319246&sr=8-1&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=fuel+selector+valve&dpPl=1&dp ID=41Fk714NOUL&ref=plSrch


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Re: Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288362 is a reply to message #288358] Thu, 08 October 2015 11:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Matt, you get 450 miles out of a tank(s) of gas? I must be doing something wrong.

Bryan Hayes
'76 Eleganza II
Salt Lake City, Utah
Re: Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288375 is a reply to message #288362] Thu, 08 October 2015 17:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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bhayes wrote on Thu, 08 October 2015 12:44
Matt, you get 450 miles out of a tank(s) of gas? I must be doing something wrong.


Bryan,

Work on it....
We do 400s any time we want.

Our coach runs at 9.2 all most of the time, We have done several 53 gallon fills.
9.2*53 ~ 490

Remember, this is 9600# 23' coach. I'm sure that doesn't hurt.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288381 is a reply to message #288375] Thu, 08 October 2015 21:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Am I dreaming or did Jim Bounds connect the two fuel tanks with steel
tubing attached where the drain plugs are.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Matt Colie wrote:

> bhayes wrote on Thu, 08 October 2015 12:44
>> Matt, you get 450 miles out of a tank(s) of gas? I must be doing
> something wrong.
>
>
> Bryan,
>
> Work on it....
> We do 400s any time we want.
>
> Our coach runs at 9.2 all most of the time, We have done several 53 gallon
> fills.
> 9.2*53 ~ 490
>
> Remember, this is 9600# 23' coach. I'm sure that doesn't hurt.
>
> Matt
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288389 is a reply to message #288381] Thu, 08 October 2015 22:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You're not dreaming. Maybe one a these days he'll get his archives back
online. (I hope for all our sake).


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Am I dreaming or did Jim Bounds connect the two fuel tanks with steel
tubing attached where the drain plugs are.



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Re: Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288392 is a reply to message #288362] Thu, 08 October 2015 22:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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bhayes wrote on Thu, 08 October 2015 12:44
Matt, you get 450 miles out of a tank(s) of gas? I must be doing something wrong.

I was about to say that too. I refill at around 250-275 miles which is when the gauges start moving toward "E" in my GMC. I should be able to go about 400-450 miles on a full tank to empty assuming 8+ MPG. I've never tried to do that however and don't plan on starting now. I also almost never top it off in order to avoid gas burping. I will try and top it off when I get $1 off per gallon at Kroger.


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Re: Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288396 is a reply to message #288349] Fri, 09 October 2015 02:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nick,

I'm presently working on my fuel system (new lines, etc). I found that my fuel tank selector valve had been removed by a PO and the two tanks teed together. The gauges were still reading for both tanks and pretty accurate. The switch on the dash determines which tank gauge is being viewed. I suspected that something was wrong because I never had to switch tanks. Both tanks would drain equally according to the gauges. Before I removed my tanks I let the engine run until it stopped for lack of fuel. I then opened the drain plugs and drained out about a sum total of one quart of fuel (clean with no rust or dirt). During normal operation I never experienced fuel starvation even on 100+ degree days and going up and down hills. I always refueled around 1/8 tank which gave me about 6 gallons between both tanks, unless the generator was being used and then refuel at 1/4 tank.

I have a new selector valve to install with a mounting bracket that I fabricated that mounts to the frame and reverses the valve so that the inlet and outlet ports are in the correct position. However, the fuel lines are 3/8 inch and the connections on the switch are 5/16. I hope I can tighten the clamps tight enough. If the lines leak at the valve or the valve causes a restriction in fuel flow, then the tee goes back on.

Anyway, just my experience so far.

Jerry


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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288398 is a reply to message #288389] Fri, 09 October 2015 04:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thursday, October 8, 2015, Billy Massey wrote:

> You're not dreaming. Maybe one a these days he'll get his archives back
> online. (I hope for all our sake).
>
>
>
YES, YES, YES




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> Am I dreaming or did Jim Bounds connect the two fuel tanks with steel
> tubing attached where the drain plugs are.
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Re: Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288406 is a reply to message #288392] Fri, 09 October 2015 09:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Richard,

There are some huge differences in our coaches and operational modes.

The biggest is that Mary drives most of the time. That leaves me free to navigate, pull refreshments and find cheap fuel. That later cam often instigate and early stop as fuel prices vary widely by state.

A big difference between our coaches is also the high T fuel system. I can run the pump at the fast hook until I am a few gallons short of full with out it burping. On the press-up aka top off, the only time I get a burp that spills fuel is with real high ethanol content. Even then, it isn't much - just enough to be annoying.

We also use an interesting fuel management mode. We start on the main (aka combined tanks) and switch to the auxiliary at the half tank indication. This gets run until the low fuel warning glares at the driver. At that point the switch is back to main and the remaining one-half tank. If a fuel stop is not in the plan at that point, the navigator gets real busy. It is not as tough as single pilot IFR, but the cooperation does make thing much more relaxed.

Matt


rjw wrote on Thu, 08 October 2015 23:57
I was about to say that too. I refill at around 250-275 miles which is when the gauges start moving toward "E" in my GMC. I should be able to go about 400-450 miles on a full tank to empty assuming 8+ MPG. I've never tried to do that however and don't plan on starting now. I also almost never top it off in order to avoid gas burping. I will try and top it off when I get $1 off per gallon at Kroger.



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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tank Selector Valve [message #288407 is a reply to message #288381] Fri, 09 October 2015 09:18 Go to previous message
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Bruce Hart wrote on Thu, 08 October 2015 22:03
Am I dreaming or did Jim Bounds connect the two fuel tanks with steel
tubing attached where the drain plugs are.
--
Bruce Hart

Bruce,

You are correct, he does. This is not a mod that I think is all that good for two reasons:
One is that both my fuel tanks and my transmission pan show strike damage. If the fittings required take a hit, you have the potential to loose all your fuel overboard.
The other is that this mod removes any possibility of fuel inventory management.
Still, it is your decision to make and it is your coach.

Matt


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