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| Re: [GMCnet] New Toll Window? [message #288187 is a reply to message #288185] |
Sun, 04 October 2015 19:48   |
emerystora
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You don’t pour tempered glass. You use regular annealed glass and cut it and curve it (if necessary) and then when it is done you polish the edges and then put it into a tempering furnace.
Any good glass company can do this. Your local glass shops cannot but they order from major glass manufacturers that do. You can search for tempered glass on the Internet. One of the largest is Cardinal glass which has 37 locations.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Oct 4, 2015, at 6:20 PM, A. wrote:
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> Billy Massey wrote on Sun, 04 October 2015 17:34
>> This is an interesting development! I wish Him luck. I will be an early adopter for this.
> Unfortunately, this is just the frame. It appears the glass has yet to materialize.
>
> I haven't looked at it real hard, but I believe the existing frame could be modified to be a slider, and the real issue is the tempered glass.
>
> If someone can find a place that can pour tempered glass in the right shape with the right curve, that is the trick. A guy with Kerry Pinkerton's
> skill can modify frames.
> http://gmccoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Driver-Slider-1.jpg
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>
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Toll Window? [message #288194 is a reply to message #288185] |
Sun, 04 October 2015 20:49 |
Kosier
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The real problem is the shape of the body. The top corner of the window
rolls in to match the windshield.
It doesn't run parallel to the bottom. Hard to find a path where it can
slide rearward.
Gary Kosier
77PB w/500Cad
Newark, Ohio
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From: "A."
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 8:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] New Toll Window?
> Billy Massey wrote on Sun, 04 October 2015 17:34
>> This is an interesting development! I wish Him luck. I will be an early
>> adopter for this.
> Unfortunately, this is just the frame. It appears the glass has yet to
> materialize.
>
> I haven't looked at it real hard, but I believe the existing frame could
> be modified to be a slider, and the real issue is the tempered glass.
>
> If someone can find a place that can pour tempered glass in the right
> shape with the right curve, that is the trick. A guy with Kerry
> Pinkerton's
> skill can modify frames.
> http://gmccoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Driver-Slider-1.jpg
>
>
> --
> '73 23' Sequoia For Sale
> '73 23' CanyonLands For Sale
> Upper Alabama
> There will always be a demand for scapegoats. The job sucks, but the work
> is steady.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Toll Window? [message #288195 is a reply to message #288187] |
Sun, 04 October 2015 21:22 |
kerry pinkerton
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emerystora wrote on Sun, 04 October 2015 19:48...You don't pour tempered glass.
You use regular annealed glass and cut it and curve it (if necessary) and then when it is done
you polish the edges and then put it into a tempering furnace.
Any good glass company can do this. Your local glass shops cannot but they order from major
glass manufacturers that do. You can search for tempered glass on the Internet. One of the
largest is Cardinal glass which has 37 locations.
Emery, I believe it is a LOT harder than you make it sound. The street rod guys have been
working for a source for economical curved side window tempered since the 50's. You can have
regular glass tempered easily enough. My son sells and installed custom shower doors. All the
glass is cut to size and the holes and such are drilled and then it is tempered. After that it
shatters on impact or if you attempt to cut it.
Regular safety glass can be 'slumped' to a degree but it takes special equipment. A custom
windshield costs a couple thousand bucks the last time I checked. The Finnish guy (Timo something)
moved to the US so the forms no longer have to be send to Europe.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Toll Window? [message #288206 is a reply to message #288195] |
Mon, 05 October 2015 01:37 |
emerystora
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The problem with tempering a curved piece it that it has to be supported in the right shape while in the tempering furnace or it will sag out of shape.
Emery Stora
> On Oct 4, 2015, at 8:22 PM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
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> emerystora wrote on Sun, 04 October 2015 19:48
>> ...You don't pour tempered glass.
>> You use regular annealed glass and cut it and curve it (if necessary) and then when it is done
>> you polish the edges and then put it into a tempering furnace.
>>
>> Any good glass company can do this. Your local glass shops cannot but they order from major
>> glass manufacturers that do. You can search for tempered glass on the Internet. One of the
>> largest is Cardinal glass which has 37 locations.
>
>
> Emery, I believe it is a LOT harder than you make it sound. The street rod guys have been
> working for a source for economical curved side window tempered since the 50's. You can have
> regular glass tempered easily enough. My son sells and installed custom shower doors. All the
> glass is cut to size and the holes and such are drilled and then it is tempered. After that it
> shatters on impact or if you attempt to cut it.
>
> Regular safety glass can be 'slumped' to a degree but it takes special equipment. A custom
> windshield costs a couple thousand bucks the last time I checked. The Finnish guy (Timo something)
> moved to the US so the forms no longer have to be send to Europe.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
>
> 77 Eleganza II, 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny, lots of aluminum goodies.
>
> http://www.bdub.net/pinkerton/
>
> '03 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Toll Window? [message #288207 is a reply to message #288180] |
Mon, 05 October 2015 03:48 |
appie
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Very interesting
In europe highway toll boot are automatized. the will have a high acces for trucks and a low for cars. Reckon what ? from the GMC I cannot reach either of them ! Iff the wife is not there I have get out, pay and get back in before the barrier goes down again. Also I would love the wind in my face on a hot day.
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Toll Window? [message #288213 is a reply to message #288211] |
Mon, 05 October 2015 08:16 |
Kingsley Coach
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I think most of us would want an opening window but between now and the
final product, if one Can be constructed, there is a whole lot of R & D
...and we all know that sometimes it just doesn't always work out.
While showing us a picture of an empty frame made a few hearts skip a beat
or two, the reality is that any one of us who has looked at that frame is
right now mentally trying to figure out a way build that sliding toll
window...
Good luck to all who have that vision!
Mike in NS
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Billy Massey wrote:
> Mine are not Ragusa but dump huge amounts of fresh air into the cockpit as
> well. They are also adjustable through the toll window. I love 'em! I
> haven't needed to make an adjustment that would require turning the
> mounting nuts.
>
> bdub
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>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Robert Mueller
> wrote:
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>>
>> I have Ragusa wind wings on Double Trouble and they dump HEAPS of air on
>> to my face and body when adjusted to do so.
>>
>> I set them up with wing nuts to allow adjustment through the toll window
>> from the driver or passenger seat.
>>
>> Unfortunately I didn't take and photos - sorry.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Billy Massey?
>>
>> This is an interesting development! I wish Him luck. I will be an early
>> adopter for this.
>>
>> http://gmccoop.com/a-driver-slider-window/
>>
>> bdub
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Toll Window? [message #288217 is a reply to message #288213] |
Mon, 05 October 2015 09:23 |
Keith V
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If the problem is curved glass, why not redesign it so curved glass isn't needed.
I know this will mean there will be a bit of mismatch between the windshield and the window, but I'm PRETTY SURE I could get over that if the dang window opened like it is supposed to!
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Toll Window? [message #288218 is a reply to message #288217] |
Mon, 05 October 2015 09:44 |
kerry pinkerton
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Keith V wrote on Mon, 05 October 2015 09:23If the problem is curved glass, why not redesign it so curved glass isn't needed.
I know this will mean there will be a bit of mismatch between the windshield and the window, but I'm PRETTY SURE I could get over that if the dang window opened like it is supposed to!
I've been thinking of this approach since I got my first GMC 3 years ago. For me, the BEST solution would be an electric window that lowers into the body. Doable but would require relocating the fuel fill. We don't have toll roads in Alabama and only 3 days a year when the weather is suitable for 'open windows' so it's not a high priority item for me.
A concern with any window redesign is introducing wind noise. On my SOB, the drain vent whistle is quite annoying. There is an aftermarket solution but it's just a tiny little thing that can make a big noise.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] New Toll Window? [message #288220 is a reply to message #288218] |
Mon, 05 October 2015 09:54 |
James Hupy
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You guys are looking at the wrong end of this problem. The problem is THE
TOLL BOOTHS. Tell your transportation agencies to automate them with
transponders. Then you don't even need to slow down to have them extract
$$$ from your wallet, and there is no need to wait behind some idiot while
they count out the toll in nickels and dimes.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or ( where there are no stinkin' toll roads)
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Oct 5, 2015 7:45 AM, "Kerry Pinkerton" wrote:
> Keith V wrote on Mon, 05 October 2015 09:23
>> If the problem is curved glass, why not redesign it so curved glass
> isn't needed.
>> I know this will mean there will be a bit of mismatch between the
> windshield and the window, but I'm PRETTY SURE I could get over that if the
> dang
>> window opened like it is supposed to!
>
>
> I've been thinking of this approach since I got my first GMC 3 years ago.
> For me, the BEST solution would be an electric window that lowers into the
> body. Doable but would require relocating the fuel fill. We don't have
> toll roads in Alabama and only 3 days a year when the weather is suitable
> for
> 'open windows' so it's not a high priority item for me.
>
> A concern with any window redesign is introducing wind noise. On my SOB,
> the drain vent whistle is quite annoying. There is an aftermarket solution
> but it's just a tiny little thing that can make a big noise.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
>
> 77 Eleganza II, 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny, lots of aluminum
> goodies.
>
> http://www.bdub.net/pinkerton/
>
> '03 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
>
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