| I know it is bad style the blame the mecanic [message #287894] |
Sat, 26 September 2015 11:11  |
appie
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Started to get this ratling sound from under the hatch when putting my right foot down. I was quite sure it was not serious, but annoying
Found that the dipsticktube was loose. Now this tube was repaired by the nechanic that installed my Paterson engine. The old tube was broken and he made a new bottom part from coppertubing. Looked allright be me. Now that I pulled it out I can see it is just copper tubing fitted with a lot of some kind of sealant. That lasted a yeat!
Pullling it out was no problem, but how do I fit it again. Without taking the header etc here at a campsite in southern France
Now see if he had tolde me this is a temp fix you should order a new tube then everything would have been fine
Sorry for the hickup. But I hav had it with this guy
Appie
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| Re: I know it is bad style the blame the mecanic [message #287897 is a reply to message #287894] |
Sat, 26 September 2015 12:33  |
appie
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Tanks, but it is the engine dipsticktube I have a problem with
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
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Quadrabags
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Manny tranny
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| Re: I know it is bad style the blame the mecanic [message #287908 is a reply to message #287894] |
Sat, 26 September 2015 16:12 |
appie
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Fransois. Yes brass fittings were use on mine as well. That s wrong. I will make a new temperary fix. Guess I have to take the header of tomorrow. Hope the gasket will be tight again afterwards, cant get them here.
It will be 3 weeks before I have new parrts, at least
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
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| Re: I know it is bad style the blame the mecanic [message #287910 is a reply to message #287894] |
Sat, 26 September 2015 17:52 |
Chr$
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That really sucks, man. I hear ya. The one time I let a mechanic wrench on my son's truck, nothing but problems afterwards. These monkeys only care about slapping it together and out the door.
The last place I would want to be wrenching on a 455 is in a campground in France!!! If I was in Europe right now, I'd pop over to help you.
Half ass fixes only cause bigger problems later.
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
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2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
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| Re: [GMCnet] I know it is bad style the blame the mecanic [message #287916 is a reply to message #287913] |
Sat, 26 September 2015 18:53 |
C Boyd
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The dipstick tubes for the cars I tried would not work with the front extension. The Mr Gasket has a dimple in the tube where the sleeve and nut goes. It will work with a car dipstick, but have to raise hatch to check oil. Only place I found one for a MH was Dick Patterson. Didn't try Jim K. The OEM crush nut is bout 3 times as long as normal crush nut. Use OEM if you have it with a new sleeve. They do fit snugly in the block and have a flare to stop against the block.
USAussie wrote on Sat, 26 September 2015 19:36Gentlemen,
I direct your attention to Parts Book 78Z / Section 8 - Engine / Page 8-14 / Figure 8.026
Key 16 - Tube - oil level indicator
Key 18 - Union - upper tube to lower tube
I've never replaced a dipstick tube but I reckon that the tube is 3/8" OD and is "pressed" into the block. Tubing of that size will
probably be difficult to source in Europe and so I checked and 3/8" converts to 0.9525 cm so 10mm OD probably is too large to
install in the hole in the block.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
-----Original Message-----
From: lenze middelberg
Fransois. Yes brass fittings were use on mine as well. That s wrong. I will make a new temperary fix. Guess I have to take the
header of tomorrow.
Hope the gasket will be tight again afterwards, cant get them here. It will be 3 weeks before I have new parrts, at least
--
Appie
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| Re: [GMCnet] I know it is bad style the blame the mecanic [message #287917 is a reply to message #287913] |
Sat, 26 September 2015 18:50 |
James Hupy
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I frequently have to make the lower dipstick tube. I use the 3/8"
steel/alloy fuel line. With the epoxy coating on the outside, it doesn't
quite fit the bore in the block. The stock lower tube projects nearly to
the bottom of the special oil pan that is used on the coaches. Don't put a
short one in with a remote dipstick. It can interfere with the windage
baffle and hang up. If the stock exhaust manifolds are used, the lower tube
goes between the manifold and the head. The coating will have to be removed
to give clearance. A slight curve is also helpful to guide the tube past
the baffle. I silver solder a thick washer onto the tube as a stop. It will
need to be ground flat on the block side to clear. If it is fitted
carefully, some non hardening sealant will prevent any leaks. If the tube
is too loose, it will leak like a seive.
Jim Hupy
On Sep 26, 2015 7:36 PM, "Robert Mueller" wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> I direct your attention to Parts Book 78Z / Section 8 - Engine / Page 8-14
> / Figure 8.026
>
> Key 16 - Tube - oil level indicator
> Key 18 - Union - upper tube to lower tube
>
> I've never replaced a dipstick tube but I reckon that the tube is 3/8" OD
> and is "pressed" into the block. Tubing of that size will
> probably be difficult to source in Europe and so I checked and 3/8"
> converts to 0.9525 cm so 10mm OD probably is too large to
> install in the hole in the block.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lenze middelberg
>
> Fransois. Yes brass fittings were use on mine as well. That s wrong. I
> will make a new temperary fix. Guess I have to take the
> header of tomorrow.
>
> Hope the gasket will be tight again afterwards, cant get them here. It
> will be 3 weeks before I have new parrts, at least
> --
> Appie
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] I know it is bad style the blame the mecanic [message #287928 is a reply to message #287894] |
Sat, 26 September 2015 21:28 |
Ken Henderson
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Appie,
This album wasn't intended for what you need, but does contain several
dipstick tube details you need to be aware of:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3942-455-oil-pan-capacity.html
By the way, my tube has always been "spliced" with brass fittings; I
believe it to be OEM.
Ken H.
Presently in Rapid City, SD for GMCMI Convention
On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 12:11 PM, lenze middelberg
wrote:
> Started to get this ratling sound from under the hatch when putting my
> right foot down.
> ..
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] I know it is bad style the blame the mecanic [message #287940 is a reply to message #287928] |
Sun, 27 September 2015 01:30 |
appie
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Ken. That is great pictures. It clearly shows why the tube goes al the way into the pan. My fix did not do that. Was just stuck a in h into the hole!
As I dont have a workshop with brasing facilities etc. I might just block the hole until I get the right parts. My engine has not used any oil for the last 7000 Miles so it should be safe. But a bit risky ofcourse I'll think about that over breakfast.
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
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| Re: I know it is bad style the blame the mecanic [message #287941 is a reply to message #287894] |
Sun, 27 September 2015 05:00 |
appie
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After understanding the concept of the lower tube ( thanks Ken) I managed to make a temp. solution. Irefitted the copper tube (without removing the header)sealing it with vulcanising tape and hope it will stay until the correct parts arrive. I will not fit the stick to avoid any damage and only use it for checking oil level.
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
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| Re: I know it is bad style the blame the mecanic [message #287994 is a reply to message #287894] |
Mon, 28 September 2015 22:46 |
kerry pinkerton
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Dick Paterson said yesterday at the GMCMI rally that IF you could fish a flexible wire or coathanger through the hole and find the oil pan drain and let the wire stick through the drain, you could drive the broken piece down with a punch and it will slide down the wire and out the oil pan drain hole.
Might be easier said than done but since Dick said it, I'm certain it is possible.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: I know it is bad style the blame the mecanic [message #287995 is a reply to message #287908] |
Mon, 28 September 2015 22:57 |
Bob de Kruyff
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appie wrote on Sat, 26 September 2015 15:12Fransois. Yes brass fittings were use on mine as well. That s wrong. I will make a new temperary fix. Guess I have to take the header of tomorrow. Hope the gasket will be tight again afterwards, cant get them here.
It will be 3 weeks before I have new parrts, at least
That's the way GM designed them--I always felt that looked like a poor repair but it was OEM
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] I know it is bad style the blame the mecanic [message #287996 is a reply to message #287994] |
Mon, 28 September 2015 22:52 |
James Hupy
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Kerry, tell Dick to not give all our tricks away at once, I use old
speedometer cables for that one. If the remnant is not too long, it works
great. Also, tell him Jim and Judy say Hi!.
Jim Hupy
On Sep 28, 2015 8:46 PM, "Kerry Pinkerton" wrote:
> Dick Paterson said yesterday at the GMCMI rally that IF you could fish a
> flexible wire or coathanger through the hole and find the oil pan drain and
> let the wire stick through the drain, you could drive the broken piece
> down with a punch and it will slide down the wire and out the oil pan drain
> hole.
>
> Might be easier said than done but since Dick said it, I'm certain it is
> possible.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
>
> 77 Eleganza II, 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny, lots of aluminum
> goodies.
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> http://www.bdub.net/pinkerton/
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| Re: [GMCnet] I know it is bad style the blame the mecanic [message #288338 is a reply to message #287940] |
Wed, 07 October 2015 20:02 |
Ken Henderson
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Appie,
It sounds like you've got a replacement tube on the way to you, but just
for information -- for you or someone else in need: You can easily make a
stop (bubble) for the tube with a brass ferrule. As a compression tool,
take a 3/8" brass coupler (or other fitting) and drill out the internal
stop. The coupler can then be slid to the position where the ferrule needs
to be locked. Tighten the nut on the coupler with the ferrule in postion.
Slide the loosened nut off one end of the tube and the coupler off the
other and you've got a tube with a stop in the "middle".
Ken H.
On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:30 AM, lenze middelberg
wrote:
> Ken. That is great pictures. It clearly shows why the tube goes al the
> way into the pan. My fix did not do that. Was just stuck a in h into the
> hole!
> As I dont have a workshop with brasing facilities etc. I might just block
> the hole until I get the right parts. My engine has not used any oil for the
> last 7000 Miles so it should be safe. But a bit risky ofcourse I'll think
> about that over breakfast.
> --
>
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