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[GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #286085]

Fri, 28 August 2015 22:19

Dolph Santorine

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Need to confirm - the main tank is the rear tank, and the Aux is the middle?

Also, stock valve was power on for aux?

Thanks.
Dolph Santorine

DE N8JPC

Wheeling, West Virginia

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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #286086 is a reply to message #286085]

Fri, 28 August 2015 22:47

Carl S.

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Dolph Santorine wrote on Fri, 28 August 2015 20:19

Need to confirm - the main tank is the rear tank, and the Aux is the middle?

Also, stock valve was power on for aux?

Thanks.
Dolph Santorine

DE N8JPC

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
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Correct.

Carl Stouffer '75 ex Palm Beach Tucson, AZ. Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member

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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #286088 is a reply to message #286085]

Fri, 28 August 2015 23:14

USAussie

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Dolph,

Yes to both questions.

However, I suggest you have someone throw the MAIN / AUX switch while you have your hand on the selector valve. Someone installed
that switch upside down in Double Trouble. When MAIN was selected the AUX valve was powered. This caused the selector valve to burn
out which in turn caused the instruments to shut down as the circuit that powers the instruments powers the Main / Aux selector.

To add insult to injury you can't just take the plug off the back of the switch it only goes on one way so to fix this the dash has
to be disassembled!

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic

-----Original Message-----
From: Adolph Santorine

Need to confirm - the main tank is the rear tank, and the Aux is the middle? CORRECT

Also, stock valve was power on for aux? CORRECT

Thanks.
Dolph

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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #286092 is a reply to message #286085]

Sat, 29 August 2015 08:10

RF_Burns

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I reversed my Main and Aux tank last time I replaced my fuel selector valve.

My reasoning being I had stalled out several times with 1/2 tanks of fuel while going down hill and braking. Due to the positioning of the fuel filler ports on the tanks, braking or going down hill causes fuel to flow from the rear (main) to the front (aux)tank. Braking while going down hill increases the rate of tank transfer. Nothing worse than a stalling engine on a steep down-grade with a stop light or sign at the bottom.

Now I run on the forward tank as main and this doesn't happen.

I know, I could have just ran with the switch in the Aux position, but I just like to mess with the minds of future owners.

Bruce Hislop
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #286093 is a reply to message #286092]

Sat, 29 August 2015 09:01

James Hupy

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If you run with fuel in your tanks instead of fumes, you will never worry
about what is an operator caused error problem.
Jim Hupy ( in Amsterdam today.)
I reversed my Main and Aux tank last time I replaced my fuel selector valve.

My reasoning being I had stalled out several times with 1/2 tanks of fuel
while going down hill and braking. Due to the positioning of the fuel
filler ports on the tanks, braking or going down hill causes fuel to flow
from the rear (main) to the front (aux)tank. Braking while going down hill
increases the rate of tank transfer. Nothing worse than a stalling engine
on a steep down-grade with a stop light or sign at the bottom.

Now I run on the forward tank as main and this doesn't happen.

I know, I could have just ran with the switch in the Aux position, but I
just like to mess with the minds of future owners.

--
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ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
Hubler 1 ton front end
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My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that

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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #286097 is a reply to message #286093]

Sat, 29 August 2015 09:31

Mr ERFisher

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Or
Use jim bs ONE TANK connector to the drain holes, and the problems all go
away

On Saturday, August 29, 2015, James Hupy wrote:

> If you run with fuel in your tanks instead of fumes, you will never worry
> about what is an operator caused error problem.
> Jim Hupy ( in Amsterdam today.)
> I reversed my Main and Aux tank last time I replaced my fuel selector
> valve.
>
> My reasoning being I had stalled out several times with 1/2 tanks of fuel
> while going down hill and braking. Due to the positioning of the fuel
> filler ports on the tanks, braking or going down hill causes fuel to flow
> from the rear (main) to the front (aux)tank. Braking while going down hill
> increases the rate of tank transfer. Nothing worse than a stalling engine
> on a steep down-grade with a stop light or sign at the bottom.
>
> Now I run on the forward tank as main and this doesn't happen.
>
> I know, I could have just ran with the switch in the Aux position, but I
> just like to mess with the minds of future owners.
>
>
> --
> Bruce Hislop
> ON Canada
> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
> Hubler 1 ton front end
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #286098 is a reply to message #286097]

Sat, 29 August 2015 10:37

Nelson

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Or,
build a check valve or flapper to stop the flow from the rear to the front tank

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> On Aug 29, 2015, at 10:31 AM, gene Fisher wrote:
>
> Or
> Use jim bs ONE TANK connector to the drain holes, and the problems all go
> away
>
>
>
>> On Saturday, August 29, 2015, James Hupy wrote:
>>
>> If you run with fuel in your tanks instead of fumes, you will never worry
>> about what is an operator caused error problem.
>> Jim Hupy ( in Amsterdam today.)
>> I reversed my Main and Aux tank last time I replaced my fuel selector
>> valve.
>>
>> My reasoning being I had stalled out several times with 1/2 tanks of fuel
>> while going down hill and braking. Due to the positioning of the fuel
>> filler ports on the tanks, braking or going down hill causes fuel to flow
>> from the rear (main) to the front (aux)tank. Braking while going down hill
>> increases the rate of tank transfer. Nothing worse than a stalling engine
>> on a steep down-grade with a stop light or sign at the bottom.
>>
>> Now I run on the forward tank as main and this doesn't happen.
>>
>> I know, I could have just ran with the switch in the Aux position, but I
>> just like to mess with the minds of future owners.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bruce Hislop
>> ON Canada
>> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
>> Hubler 1 ton front end
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
>> My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
>>
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #286099 is a reply to message #286088]

Sat, 29 August 2015 10:46

A Hamilto

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USAussie wrote on Fri, 28 August 2015 23:14

...you can't just take the plug off the back of the switch it only goes on one way so to fix this the dash has to be disassembled!...

You have to disassemble the dash to swap the labels?

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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #286101 is a reply to message #286085]

Sat, 29 August 2015 12:35

RF_Burns

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Jim,
I always refill my tanks before they get below 1/2. That's about 4 hrs driving, my but is sore and a need a lil' boys room break.

This happened last week to one of our club members coming down the hill into Watkins Glen NY (carb engine).

Gene, I fail to see how connecting the tanks together through the drain holes fixes the fuel flowing into the front tank when going down hill or braking. I'll refer you to your own page on fuel tanks.

http://gmcmotorhome.info/tank.html

I do see it as something waiting to get hit by road debris.

Nelson, building and installing a check valve sounds like alot of work and complication.

Because I have fuel injection, I used a motorized selector valve. To put it back, I just need to reverse two wire connections. E-Z as pie.

Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
1 ton front end
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that

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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #286103 is a reply to message #286099]

Sat, 29 August 2015 15:48

C Boyd

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You have to disassemble the dash to flip the switch. If you will check Robs sig line he claims to be a Pedantic Mechanic, he left out the OCD part.. Smile

Smile

A Hamilto wrote on Sat, 29 August 2015 11:46

USAussie wrote on Fri, 28 August 2015 23:14
...you can't just take the plug off the back of the switch it only goes on one way so to fix this the dash has to be disassembled!...
You have to disassemble the dash to swap the labels?

C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee

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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #286106 is a reply to message #286099]

Sat, 29 August 2015 16:47

USAussie

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Mark,

That's what I did BUT every time I look at the switch I KNOW it's upside down and bothers the s#!t out me!

Remember I'm an anally retentive, pedantic bastard! ;-)

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic

-----Original Message-----
From: A.

USAussie wrote on Fri, 28 August 2015 23:14
> ...you can't just take the plug off the back of the switch it only goes on one way so to fix this the dash has to be
disassembled!...
You have to disassemble the dash to swap the labels?
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #286108 is a reply to message #286103]

Sat, 29 August 2015 16:50

USAussie

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Chuck,

Hmmmm, good point!

How's this? ;-)

Regards,
Rob M.
The Anally Retentive Pedantic OCD Mechanic
Sydney, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Charles Boyd

You have to disassemble the dash to flip the switch. If you will check Robs sig line he claims to be a Pedantic Mechanic, he left
out the OCD part..
:)

C. Boyd

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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #286109 is a reply to message #286106]

Sat, 29 August 2015 17:13

Guy Lopes

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It's just a touch of OCD Rob! Nothing to worry about. I suffer from CDO,
it's just like OCD but it's in alphabetical order as it should be.

Guy Lopes
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Sacramento, CA
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Mueller
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 2:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks

Mark,

That's what I did BUT every time I look at the switch I KNOW it's upside
down and bothers the s#!t out me!

Remember I'm an anally retentive, pedantic bastard! ;-)

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic

-----Original Message-----
From: A.

USAussie wrote on Fri, 28 August 2015 23:14
> ...you can't just take the plug off the back of the switch it only goes on
one way so to fix this the dash has to be
disassembled!...
You have to disassemble the dash to swap the labels?
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #286113 is a reply to message #286108]

Sat, 29 August 2015 19:01

C Boyd

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Cool

USAussie wrote on Sat, 29 August 2015 17:50

Chuck,

Hmmmm, good point!

How's this?

Regards,
Rob M.
The Anally Retentive Pedantic OCD Mechanic
Sydney, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@list.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Charles Boyd

You have to disassemble the dash to flip the switch. If you will check Robs sig line he claims to be a Pedantic Mechanic, he left
out the OCD part..

C. Boyd

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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #286145 is a reply to message #286101]

Sun, 30 August 2015 07:09

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RF_Burns wrote on Sat, 29 August 2015 13:35

Jim,
<snip>
Gene, I fail to see how connecting the tanks together through the drain holes fixes the fuel flowing into the front tank when going down hill or braking. I'll refer you to your own page on fuel tanks.

http://gmcmotorhome.info/tank.html

I do see it as something waiting to get hit by road debris.
<snip>

This is a concern I would have as my trans pan and both fuel tanks show strike damage.

Matt

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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #286159 is a reply to message #286145]

Sun, 30 August 2015 10:16

Kingsley Coach

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Guy

You really aren't all right are you?

Mike in NS

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Matt Colie wrote:

> RF_Burns wrote on Sat, 29 August 2015 13:35
>> Jim,
>>
>> Gene, I fail to see how connecting the tanks together through the drain
> holes fixes the fuel flowing into the front tank when going down hill or
>> braking. I'll refer you to your own page on fuel tanks.
>>
>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/tank.html
>>
>> I do see it as something waiting to get hit by road debris.
>>
>
> This is a concern I would have as my trans pan and both fuel tanks show
> strike damage.
>
> Matt
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #346450 is a reply to message #286085]

Wed, 14 August 2019 17:39

James Hupy

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Do you ever shop online with Eastwood? I seem to remember that they have
something environment safe just for that purpose.
Jim Hupy

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019, 3:32 PM Dean Hanson via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> I do ask more questions, now that I am wiser.
>
> Other than gasoline, and hit and miss with a pressure washer, any ideas of
> a
> chemical/cleaner I can slosh around in my dropped fuel tanks to clean
> "some/most" of the loose fuel residue off the insides? Willing to consider
> anything.
>
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #346458 is a reply to message #286088]

Wed, 14 August 2019 21:10

Larry

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USAussie wrote on Fri, 28 August 2015 23:14

Dolph,

Yes to both questions.

However, I suggest you have someone throw the MAIN / AUX switch while you have your hand on the selector valve. Someone installed
that switch upside down in Double Trouble. When MAIN was selected the AUX valve was powered. This caused the selector valve to burn
out which in turn caused the instruments to shut down as the circuit that powers the instruments powers the Main / Aux selector.

To add insult to injury you can't just take the plug off the back of the switch it only goes on one way so to fix this the dash has
to be disassembled!

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic

-----Original Message-----
From: Adolph Santorine

Need to confirm - the main tank is the rear tank, and the Aux is the middle? CORRECT

Also, stock valve was power on for aux? CORRECT

Thanks.
Dolph

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Well....LOOK WHO'S BACK!! About time Rob. You get your ass up to Mansfield. You've been missed!

Larry

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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #346462 is a reply to message #286085]

Thu, 15 August 2019 07:37

RF_Burns

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Larry,
Check the dates on this thread, its from August 2015... 4 years ago.

JimH must have been searching for something and posted a question to bring this thread back to the top.

Where are you Rob M?

Bruce Hislop
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1 ton front end
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Re: [GMCnet] Fuel Tanks [message #346470 is a reply to message #346462]

Thu, 15 August 2019 09:45

Larry

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RF_Burns wrote on Thu, 15 August 2019 07:37

Larry,
Check the dates on this thread, its from August 2015... 4 years ago.

JimH must have been searching for something and posted a question to bring this thread back to the top.

Where are you Rob M?

Oh my Gosh...you're right!! Still would like to see him back with us.

Larry

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