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Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285025] Sat, 15 August 2015 15:53 Go to next message
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If you want a nice looking, safe, and dependable coach. And you bought it for $1,000. You will have $25,000 in it. If you paid $10,000 for it. You will have $25,000 in it. If you pay $25,000 for it. You will have $25,000 in it. You will not make money on them. But you will have a lot of great memory that are priceless. And GMCMI has done that to a level that I could have never imagined. Bob DunahughMember GMCMI78 RoyaleIowa
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Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285037 is a reply to message #285025] Sat, 15 August 2015 16:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can have dollar equity or sweat equity. You can have dollar equity one bit at a time, or all to once. I opted for sweat equity for the most part. The 25 Large is approaching, at about 2 bux an hour.

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How in the world do we figure our own labor. The thing is that for me. I enjoy going out to my shop , and spending time doing things to our 78 Royale. ( if I can even find the time ) The shop that I built to park it in has central air/heat. I keep it at 70 year around. So it ends up being my retreat from the world at any time that I can use some piece, and quiet alone to myself. So is it serenity, or cash value. Right now I'm negotiating with a guy on a 78 Royale. I'd like to save it from destruction. But on this one. I would need to pay me for my time. Nice paint, and body. Engine was re-manufactured 10 years ago. Hasn't been driven for the last 9 years. Needs tires, rims, frig, better bumpers, exh system, bearings redone, brakes, tanks flushed, fuel lines, brake lines, battery's, and the interior taken out to get all the mouse nest out. I came up with $10,000 in parts. No labor. I have him down to $6,000 now. I need to get him to $1,000. It could be worth $24,000. But even then I'm working for minimum wage. Or less.
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Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285105 is a reply to message #285082] Sun, 16 August 2015 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rocky's?

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Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285109 is a reply to message #285025] Sun, 16 August 2015 10:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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BobDunahugh wrote on Sat, 15 August 2015 15:53
If you want a nice looking, safe, and dependable coach. And you bought it for $1,000. You will have $25,000 in it. If you paid $10,000 for it. You will have $25,000 in it. If you pay $25,000 for it. You will have $25,000 in it. You will not make money on them. But you will have a lot of great memory that are priceless. And GMCMI has done that to a level that I could have never imagined.


I think you'll find pretty universal agreement here, unless you stumble upon a coach that has been fully restored at an estate sale. I'll give you my example; 2 years ago I bought a 1-family owned very original '78 out of San Diego. They don't come better treated than that! It had 43k miles (really - owner logs). It had been sitting 3-4 years when I bought it. This seems quite common - they go up for sale after some period of lost interest. It still needed all hoses replaced, including brake and fuel. Tune up carb rebuild, new tires (I drove it straight to the tire store from the seller), front suspension (bushings, ball joints, bearings), dash a/c repair, radiator, refrigerator, etc. I did a lot of the work myself, some I farmed out to JimK (mostly the stuff that required a hoist). I would not hesitate to drive it anywhere now, but it's still not perfect. I estimate I have $20k plus sweat equity in it. They are all a work in progress!


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Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285137 is a reply to message #285025] Sun, 16 August 2015 17:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Are GMC's really worth $25K? Have the majority of them sold for that? We like them and the "equity" in them is delivered one UPS box at a time. I think the most available reflection of their value is the Completed Listings on eBay. There you see what willing buyers and sellers are exchanging for these coaches. Find one that is similar to the condition you are willing to tackle and see what they've crossed the block at. Very Happy

I took mine on a trip with the family this weekend and seeing my son's amazement as I caught my first fish (yeah I know its supposed to be the other way around) made the value to me jump considerably. Very Happy


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Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285144 is a reply to message #285025] Sun, 16 August 2015 18:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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>GMC's really worth $25K?

Will it SELL for $25k? Probably not. Ebay comps are good, though.


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Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285161 is a reply to message #285082] Sun, 16 August 2015 20:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob,

What I am about to write is probably going to raise the hackles of a lot of people that frequent this forum.

I think that restoring an GMC is a labor of love and it is difficult to make any money on a restoration. When you're finished with
the restoration and have THOUSANDS of $$ in it and HUNDREDS of man hours and price it to recover what you've spent plus a few bucks
the problem will be finding someone that recognizes what you have done and is willing to pay you for your time and what you have
invested. I believe the tendency will be to go for the $5,000 GMC.

I am of the opinion that the GMC will NEVER become a collector's vehicle ala the muscle cars of the 1960's. The reason being it's a
vehicle designed to TRAVEL in. You can jump in one of your Yenko Corvairs and go for a cruise on a Sunday afternoon, or take it to
the local hot rod hangout on a Saturday night. I just can't see anyone having a GMC for that purpose. You might do it a couple of
times but it seems to me the amount of work keeping one of these old gals rolling is not worth the effort if that's all you're going
to do with it. I have two GMC's to TRAVEL in.

I believe that the median age for GMC owners is above 55 years. Well above in fact. I believe that over the next 10 - 15 years a lot
of owners will come to the conclusion that they no longer want to travel in their GMC or realize that they have the capacity to
drive a vehicle as large as a GMC safely even though they are much smaller than current generation motor homes and if I am correct a
lot of GMC's will be put up for sale.

There is another thing that limits the market, you, I and the grey haired army of GMC owners cut our teeth on vehicles powered by
BIG cast iron V-8's with carbs, points, condensers, and HEI. I wonder how many of the "younger generations" have any experience with
these monsters. PLEASE don't get me wrong, anyone that can figger out how to fix a current generation vehicles is more than capable
of fixing a GMC.

Then there's the question of spare parts, slowly but surely spare parts for old vehicles will be come harder and harder to find.
Plus people that don't have the skill set like you and I finding a mechanic willing and able to work on an old vehicle like the GMC
will get more and more difficult.

I do not mean to be the harbinger of doom; I'm merely expressing my take on reality as I see it. It would be GREAT if I am
incorrect.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Dunahugh

How in the world do we figure our own labor. The thing is that for me. I enjoy going out to my shop , and spending time doing things
to our 78 Royale. ( if I can even find the time ) The shop that I built to park it in has central air/heat. I keep it at 70 year
around. So it ends up being my retreat from the world at any time that I can use some piece, and quiet alone to myself. So is it
serenity, or cash value. Right now I'm negotiating with a guy on a 78 Royale. I'd like to save it from destruction. But on this
one. I would need to pay me for my time. Nice paint, and body. Engine was re-manufactured 10 years ago. Hasn't been driven for the
last 9 years. Needs tires, rims, frig, better bumpers, exh system, bearings redone, brakes, tanks flushed, fuel lines, brake lines,
battery's, and the interior taken out to get all the mouse nest out. I came up with $10,000 in parts. No labor. I have him down to
$6,000 now. I need to get him to $1,000. It could be worth $24,000. But eve n then I'm working for minimum wage. Or less.
Bob DunahughMember GMCMI78 RoyaleIowa


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Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285162 is a reply to message #285161] Sun, 16 August 2015 20:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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To me, it is about owning, and never about selling. I rarely sell a car
that runs.

And SWMBO just told me before I left for the US this time around: We
will tour the US as long as we find interesting places. And once we
think we have seen everything that interests us, we will ship it over to
Europe, and take a look around the old world.

And if all that takes 10-20 or even 30 years (like my PO who had the
coach for 35 years), so what? Every penny I put into the coach is a
penny I'll use to have fun traveling.

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Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285168 is a reply to message #285082] Sun, 16 August 2015 21:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I suspect GMCnet members are as much a cause of the low market prices as any other influence.
A nice coach appears for sale and folks here immediately begin questioning the quality of the work, the actual mileage, the birthplace of Elvis and on and on. Then the clincher -- "if you haven't done it yourself it hasn't been done" -- then suggest you might as well factor all that into negotiating a lower price.

Sure "we don't set the price, the market does" -- but lots of potential owners come here and at least lurk before making a buy. We teach them to value our coaches low.

Of course GMC's are little different than many classic or older cars -- owners often spend far more on them than they can ever recover at sale.

Dennis



BobDunahugh wrote on Sun, 16 August 2015 00:41
How in the world do we figure our own labor. The thing is that for me. I enjoy going out to my shop , and spending time doing things to our 78 Royale. ( if I can even find the time ) The shop that I built to park it in has central air/heat. I keep it at 70 year around. So it ends up being my retreat from the world at any time that I can use some piece, and quiet alone to myself. So is it serenity, or cash value. Right now I'm negotiating with a guy on a 78 Royale. I'd like to save it from destruction. But on this one. I would need to pay me for my time. Nice paint, and body. Engine was re-manufactured 10 years ago. Hasn't been driven for the last 9 years. Needs tires, rims, frig, better bumpers, exh system, bearings redone, brakes, tanks flushed, fuel lines, brake lines, battery's, and the interior taken out to get all the mouse nest out. I came up with $10,000 in parts. No labor. I have him down to $6,000 now. I need to get him to $1,000. It could be worth $24,000. But even then I'm working for minimum wage. Or less.
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Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285170 is a reply to message #285168] Sun, 16 August 2015 21:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dennis,

I agree completely. Here is what I recently posted on the Facebook site

"Yes, I don't understand how/why the owners talk down the price of the ones that come up for sale. Guys, when you do that you are devaluing your own coach! The GMC is by far the best buy on the used RV market. Knocking the asking price of the ones for sale helps no one."

The finding fault often scares off a guy who is ready to buy. If you go look at the quality? of the new lower priced RV's the GMC's really look good. We should be bragging them up instead of tearing them down.

Hal Kading 78 Buskirk Las Cruces NM
Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285171 is a reply to message #285170] Sun, 16 August 2015 22:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you buy a GMC coach as an investment, you are going to be disappointed.
There is no practical use for one. There are still thousands of them out
there. Best you can do is drive it, take your family and create some
memories that they will cherish. When you are done with that, please put
in the hands of someone who will do the same. I just finished today with a
coach for new gmcers that bought it after it had been sitting in
dehumidified storage since 2005. I spent 3 whole days chasing brake system
problems. Wound up replacing all friction material, wheel cylinders, some
springs, calipers, hoses, and so forth. Linings were soaked with brake
fluid from leaking wheel cylinders, calipers pistons frozen, hoses leaking.
Don't let them sit. Drive the heck out of them or put them in the hands of
someone who will.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
On Aug 16, 2015 7:59 PM, "Hal Kading" wrote:

> Dennis,
>
> I agree completely. Here is what I recently posted on the Facebook site
>
> "Yes, I don't understand how/why the owners talk down the price of the
> ones that come up for sale. Guys, when you do that you are devaluing your
> own
> coach! The GMC is by far the best buy on the used RV market. Knocking the
> asking price of the ones for sale helps no one."
>
> The finding fault often scares off a guy who is ready to buy. If you go
> look at the quality? of the new lower priced RV's the GMC's really look
> good.
> We should be bragging them up instead of tearing them down.
>
> Hal Kading 78 Buskirk Las Cruces NM
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Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285176 is a reply to message #285082] Sun, 16 August 2015 22:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Rob has some points that we don't like hearing. But more true then we like to admit. I've been seeing people under 50 buying these things. They are vary affordable. I know of two people that have sold their diesel pushers. And got GMC's. As far as value. It's like anything. It's all in the condition. I've seen some that are worth over $30,000.Bob DunahughMember GMCMI78 RoyaleIowa
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Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285177 is a reply to message #285176] Sun, 16 August 2015 23:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We just met with, and showed our coach to, a couple who are serious about buying a GMC. I told them that the conventional wisdom of this forum is that a nice, dependable, useable coach will cost around 25K whether you buy it as a kit or complete. I added my opinion that it is better to buy a complete 25K coach because the seller probably has 40K + and countless hours into it already.

I know mine is far from perfect, inside or out, but we sure have fun with it! Smile


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I believe the 25K number is accurate, if not low. I have more than than in the 77 Elle II and it's not finished yet. Jim K appraised it for more than twice that but if it were to hit the market, I'd expect it would bring 15-20 depending if I were selling it vs my widow.

If someone is having the work done vs doing it themselves, they can probably double or triple the number...or more.

As someone said, it's a labor of love. I restored a dozen or two antique cars over the years. As soon as I finished them, I grew tired of them. I always got my money back but rarely anything for my labor.

I am very impressed and even somewhat amazed by what we are learning from the GMC Facebook site. There are a TON of young folks who are buying these things and doing what we do with them. They may not ever join GMCMI and hang out with the old folks but they're out there.


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Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285191 is a reply to message #285025] Mon, 17 August 2015 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:
we don't set the price, the market does" -- but lots of potential owners come here and at least lurk before making a buy. We teach them to value our coaches low.

Of course GMC's are little different than many classic or older cars -- owners often spend far more on them than they can ever recover at sale


I have been 'collecting' since I was 15 and got hooked on English oil-dribblers. I've always been intrigued by the dynamics that drive Average Joe collecting and have, over the years, written a few programs to track what I could find --the latest being the national CL search. I have seen the bell-shaped curve in collectible vehicles' pricing kick in every time (with one or two rare exceptions). As mentioned above, we're obviously on the down-side. My theory is that, generally, car collectors buy what they coveted when they were in their teens or twenties. These were new or cool vehicles then, but they couldn't afford them at that stage in their lives. About 20 years later, they're muddled through raising a family, maybe picked up a few mechanical skills, and feel like they can afford to buy what they've always wanted. This is the peak of the market.


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Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285218 is a reply to message #285185] Mon, 17 August 2015 11:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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kerry pinkerton wrote on Mon, 17 August 2015 05:00
I believe the 25K number is accurate, if not low. I have more than than in the 77 Elle II and it's not finished yet. Jim K appraised it for more than twice that but if it were to hit the market, I'd expect it would bring 15-20 depending if I were selling it vs my widow.

If someone is having the work done vs doing it themselves, they can probably double or triple the number...or more.

As someone said, it's a labor of love. I restored a dozen or two antique cars over the years. As soon as I finished them, I grew tired of them. I always got my money back but rarely anything for my labor.

I am very impressed and even somewhat amazed by what we are learning from the GMC Facebook site. There are a TON of young folks who are buying these things and doing what we do with them. They may not ever join GMCMI and hang out with the old folks but they're out there.



Oh, I agree. The 25 K number is WAY low. Like I said above, if you pay 25 K for as coach, the seller most likely has almost twice that in it, possibly not including labor. A 6 - 12 K coach is going to cost you AT LEAST 25 K in the end and that is for just the basics of getting it reliable and comfortable.


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Dennis,

I disagree kinda sorta. I try to convey the fact that someone that is interested in buying a GMC should do so with eyes wide open
and not think they're going to get a GMC for a couple grand that they can hop in and tour the USA!

There was one couple that did very well, they were from New Zealand. IIRC they bought a GMC for $5000 and drove it across the USA
with a few minor problems that the GMCnet helped them fix. They sold it for $5000!

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Sexton

I suspect GMCnet members are as much a cause of the low market prices as any other influence.
A nice coach appears for sale and folks here immediately begin questioning the quality of the work, the actual mileage, the
birthplace of Elvis and on and on. Then the clincher -- "if you haven't done it yourself it hasn't been done" -- then suggest you
might as well factor all that into negotiating a lower price.

Sure "we don't set the price, the market does" -- but lots of potential owners come here and at least lurk before making a buy. We
teach them to value our coaches low.

Of course GMC's are little different than many classic or older cars -- owners often spend far more on them than they can ever
recover at sale.

Dennis




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Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285280 is a reply to message #285253] Tue, 18 August 2015 04:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My assumption is that it's going to cost me a dollar a mile to run. Half
gas, upkeep. When I have $10k in the bank from that ($1/mile - gas
-expenses), I'll start measuring actual costs.

The more you customize a coach, the harder you will have to look for a
buyer who wants what you've done. I don't expect to care, I'll buy, modify
to suite myself, and sell when I don't want one any more.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Robert Mueller
wrote:

> Dennis,
>
> I disagree kinda sorta. I try to convey the fact that someone that is
> interested in buying a GMC should do so with eyes wide open
> and not think they're going to get a GMC for a couple grand that they can
> hop in and tour the USA!
>
> There was one couple that did very well, they were from New Zealand. IIRC
> they bought a GMC for $5000 and drove it across the USA
> with a few minor problems that the GMCnet helped them fix. They sold it
> for $5000!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Sexton
>
> I suspect GMCnet members are as much a cause of the low market prices as
> any other influence.
> A nice coach appears for sale and folks here immediately begin questioning
> the quality of the work, the actual mileage, the
> birthplace of Elvis and on and on. Then the clincher -- "if you haven't
> done it yourself it hasn't been done" -- then suggest you
> might as well factor all that into negotiating a lower price.
>
> Sure "we don't set the price, the market does" -- but lots of potential
> owners come here and at least lurk before making a buy. We
> teach them to value our coaches low.
>
> Of course GMC's are little different than many classic or older cars --
> owners often spend far more on them than they can ever
> recover at sale.
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] What is it Worth at the Low End. [message #285286 is a reply to message #285170] Tue, 18 August 2015 08:36 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Given that so many of these coaches are being abandoned or broken up for parts, its hard to argue that the market price is too low. Its a limited buyers market
and there are still quite a lot of them around so prices will reflect that.

As a future buyer thats good for me and when I come to sell, I'll likely be more interested in it going to a good home than the price it brings.
Too many nice things have become priced so that only the very wealthy can afford them.....and I'm glad the GMCs are not yet in that place yet.....

and we do lots of things in life that make no financial sense, marry, have kids etc....just make the GMC a member of the family!


Pete







hal kading wrote on Sun, 16 August 2015 22:59
Dennis,

I agree completely. Here is what I recently posted on the Facebook site

"Yes, I don't understand how/why the owners talk down the price of the ones that come up for sale. Guys, when you do that you are devaluing your own coach! The GMC is by far the best buy on the used RV market. Knocking the asking price of the ones for sale helps no one."

The finding fault often scares off a guy who is ready to buy. If you go look at the quality? of the new lower priced RV's the GMC's really look good. We should be bragging them up instead of tearing them down.

Hal Kading 78 Buskirk Las Cruces NM



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