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Fri, 14 August 2015 17:19  |
Olly Schmidt
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Today I went to a local propan dealer.
He looked at the tank and said: He is not allowed to fill stuff in
there. It needs some kinds of overfill ptrotector :(
Anyone know, where to get these, or how to fill the propane tank even
though I do not have this overfill protector? All this of course
preferable locally to central VA.
Any and all help is, as always, greatly appreciated.
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| Re: [GMCnet] LPG - Overflow control?! [message #284905 is a reply to message #284902] |
Fri, 14 August 2015 17:45  |
cbryan
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Peer,
I would try another dealer. Others more knowledgable than I am will chime in with all the ASTME letters and information for these tanks. The dealer is most probably recently trained and doesn't know about the technology back then. No good to argue with him, he lost a sale. Just find an old timer. My refillers are happy to fill such a big tank. My experience is that if a dealer won't fill it once, he won't ever fill it, because he is convinced of his own rightness. If you educate him, he won't learn from you. Sometimes they "don't like" a rusty tank. Those guys can be very contrary and very sure of themselves.
I guess it is remotely possible that someone removed the overflow mechanism from the left of your fill valve. What they do with me if I remember rightly they fill until the overflow spews liquid propane out. It's probably axiomatic that you have some problem with your propane system involving a leak or old hose that caused the tank to leak all the way out, and the P.O. gave up on it. From what those that have been through it say, it's not difficult if you have the coach safely up on wood cribbing and you at least partly fill the tank and you troubleshoot with the soap bubble solution and trigger sprayer. Soap bubble solution for kids big bubbles available at Walmart and Dollar Stores, probably. Tighten fittings, make sure the rubber isolating blocks that keep the frame up off the lines and gas lines, those blocks are intact, and chase down the probably one problem that stumped the P.O.
Good luck.
Carey
Carey from Ennis, Texas
78 Royale, 500 Cadillac, Rance Baxter EFI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] LPG - Overflow control?! [message #284908 is a reply to message #284902] |
Fri, 14 August 2015 18:56 |
Ken Burton
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Goo to a different Propane dealer. This one does not know what he is talking about. Over flow protection devices were required on BBQ grill vertical tanks. Not our GMC tanks.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] LPG - Overflow control?! [message #284911 is a reply to message #284909] |
Fri, 14 August 2015 19:15 |
Olly Schmidt
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A,
> Uhaul sells propane. But from Farmville you have to go to Lynchburg or
> Richmond. 50 miles one way.
interesting. I'll move to Scottsville in the next couple of days, so
Lynchburg will probably my target.
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| Re: [GMCnet] LPG - Overflow control?! [message #284914 is a reply to message #284902] |
Fri, 14 August 2015 19:29 |
jhbridges
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I believe:
A is the sending unit for the level gauge
B is part of the fill valve (Not as sure on this one)
C is the pressure regulator
D is the hose which feeds the stove, icebox, and furnace
E Is probably teed off of D underneath to feed the icebox or whatever is on that side of the coach
F is the fill port.
Take it to an RV dealer, they know how to fill it. Around here, the propane dealers all fill them, propane is very popular in the hill country.
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] LPG - Overflow control?! [message #284919 is a reply to message #284916] |
Fri, 14 August 2015 19:37 |
Olly Schmidt
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> As Ken said get a new supplier. OPD valves are only for DOT cylinders
> while the ASME still uses the 80% valve - open it and fill until liquid
> starts to spit and the tank is full.
Does anyone know of a URL to look at, where this is in writing. Even
people with a specific POV can sometimes be "cured" by some written down
law statements.
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| Re: [GMCnet] LPG - Overflow control?! [message #284920 is a reply to message #284914] |
Fri, 14 August 2015 19:41 |
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Matt Colie
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The little valve at
B - is called a fill level indicator....
A good operator will fill the tank until liquid issues from this valve that should be open during filling.
Yes, liquid LP will squirt out when the tank is full (90%).
Matt
Johnny Bridges wrote on Fri, 14 August 2015 20:29I believe:
A is the sending unit for the level gauge
B is part of the fill valve (Not as sure on this one)
C is the pressure regulator
D is the hose which feeds the stove, icebox, and furnace
E Is probably teed off of D underneath to feed the icebox or whatever is on that side of the coach
F is the fill port.
Take it to an RV dealer, they know how to fill it. Around here, the propane dealers all fill them, propane is very popular in the hill country.
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] LPG - Overflow control?! [message #284926 is a reply to message #284922] |
Fri, 14 August 2015 19:52 |
Olly Schmidt
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Am 14.08.2015 um 20:47 schrieb Robert Mueller:
> Peer,
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> If you have not already done so I would highly recommend you visit Thomas Jefferson's home; Monticello:
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> http://www.monticello.org/
We went by that place numerous times when driving between Farmville and
Charlottesville. I never stopped.
> Then head to the KOA in Charlottesville for the LPG:
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> http://koa.com/campgrounds/charlottesville/
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> It's 10 miles down the road.
Thanks for the hint. Have you been to that campground?
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| Re: [GMCnet] LPG - Overflow control?! [message #284933 is a reply to message #284919] |
Fri, 14 August 2015 21:51 |
Bob de Kruyff
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Peer Oliver Schmidt wrote on Fri, 14 August 2015 18:37
> As Ken said get a new supplier. OPD valves are only for DOT cylinders
> while the ASME still uses the 80% valve - open it and fill until liquid
> starts to spit and the tank is full.
Does anyone know of a URL to look at, where this is in writing. Even
people with a specific POV can sometimes be "cured" by some written down
law statements.
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Peer Oliver Schmidt
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Go to a U-Haul center (not a dealer) and they know what to do, and they are usually the least expensive.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] LPG - Overflow control?! [message #284937 is a reply to message #284934] |
Fri, 14 August 2015 22:36 |
captjack
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When I stated above that you could download a page from the NFPA document. I hadn't tried it and it's almost impossible to find. After much searching, I found a copy of the NFPA 58 2001 document. Its link is below. It's over 100 pages, but what you're looking for is paragraph 2.3.1.5 which states the requirement for OPD devices. Exception 2 is what grants us relief. I copied it below for those who don't want to search.
Exception No. 2: Cylinders manufactured prior to October 1, 1998, and designed for use in the horizontal orientation for which an overfilling prevention device is not available. Such cylinders shall have a label to indicate that they are not equipped with an overfilling prevention device.
So as long as we have a label on the tank stating "Not equipped with an OPD device" we meet the requirement.
https://law.resource.org/pub/us/cfr/ibr/004/nfpa.58.2001.pdf
Jack Christensen - K6ROW,
'76 Glenbrook/Clasco - "The Silver Bullet",
Sebastopol, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] LPG - Overflow control?! [message #284938 is a reply to message #284902] |
Fri, 14 August 2015 23:21 |
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Jerry Sitzlar
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Peer,
On my old forum, www.toyotamotorhome.org there is a printable label to put on your tank. We used to run into that problem constantly. I believe you can log on as a guest and ask about the propane label in General Discussions.
Jerry
Jerry Sitzlar..... 77 Eleganza II, Twin bed, dry bath...... Lenoir City, TN (near Knoxville)
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