| [GMCnet] Honda FV-4010 Thoughts [message #283334] |
Mon, 27 July 2015 19:23  |
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Jim Bounds knows more about putting these things into a GMC than everyone else combined. Give him a call at the GMC Coop in Orlando, FL.
Jerry
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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 16:30:31 -0600
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There is a post of a Honda EV-4010 for sale on craigslist in the swap meet section of the forum. That reminded me that I have been meaning to take
some measurements to see if one can actually be shoehorned into the compartment of a 23' with the correct orientation for servicing, without requiring
slides.
The manual at http://www.bdub.net/manuals/Honda_EVD6010_Installation.pdf says the EV-4010 is 25.6 X 19.0 X 14.2 L X W X H
I measured the compartment on my 1973 23' Sequoia.
It is right at 16.25" high. The spec on the EV-4010 says 14.2" high.
The door is 20-1/2" wide. There is a room to the left of the door opening on the inside, and to the right.
The compartment is right at 25-1/2" deep at the bottom. The spec on the EV-4010 says 25.6", or a little less than 1/4" too long to fit lengthwise.
I mocked up the dimensions of the EV-4010 and the compartment from my 23' on graph paper. The EV4010 could fit in my compartment if slid in and
rotated as it is inserted, with about an inch to spare in the back. IF it could then be bolted down and connected up, it would still be serviceable
from the door.
There would be 2" on top and 1" behind for sound deadening and heat insulation. I think the door louver might have to be moved forward for correct air
flow.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Honda FV-4010 Thoughts [message #283340 is a reply to message #283334] |
Mon, 27 July 2015 20:17  |
tphipps
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Neither the Honda ev4010 or ev6010 will fit in the stock generator compartment of a 23' GMC.
If you look at their physical size, you will find that the ev4010 is slightly larger than the ev6010.
They share the same motor. The ev4010 has a reducer plate installed to reduce the incoming charge.
Really too bad.
If you read the Honda installation manual, the Honda requires 1" or more clearance on all sides for proper air flow cooling. You also cannot block the air flow to the fan, located on the side of the motor end of the genset.
Tom, MS II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Honda FV-4010 Thoughts [message #283349 is a reply to message #283340] |
Mon, 27 July 2015 22:45 |
A Hamilto
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tphipps wrote on Mon, 27 July 2015 20:17Neither the Honda ev4010 or ev6010 will fit in the stock generator compartment of a 23' GMC.
If you look at their physical size, you will find that the ev4010 is slightly larger than the ev6010.
They share the same motor. The ev4010 has a reducer plate installed to reduce the incoming charge.
Really too bad.
If you read the Honda installation manual, the Honda requires 1" or more clearance on all sides for proper air flow cooling. You also cannot block the air flow to the fan, located on the side of the motor end of the genset.
Tom, MS II According to the manual here http://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com/pe/pdf/manuals/31ZB5801.pdf , the EV-4010 is 25.2" long, and according to the manual here http://www.bdub.net/manuals/Honda_EVD6010_Installation.pdf requires .4" on one end and .6" on the other for a total of 26.2" compartment length. The 6010 is similar, but the manual on Bdub's site says it takes 28.14" for length. According to the manual on Bdub's site, the 4010 is 19" wide and requires .6" on each side for clearance/airflow for a total of 20.2", the 6010 is 19" wide and requires 1.2" on one side and 1.3" on the other, for a total width of 21.5".
They are both 14.2" tall and require 1.02" of clearance on top, for a total of 15.4", my compartment is 16.25", leaving more than 3/4" for sound deadening and heat insulation.
There IS enough room for the EV-4010 in my 23' Sequoia, but the trick is getting it into the space. It won't slide in the door except lengthwise, and to rotate it as it slides in means it rides up on the rear subframe and might hit the top of the compartment before it finishes that rotation to "fall" into place with the service side facing the door. It is possible to dis-assemble the affected area of the interior to install or remove the generator, but I wouldn't do it.
So I asked Johhny to mock up a cardboard box the right size and see if the top hits the compartment ceiling as it is rotated into place (since he has his generator compartment empty right now).
After all that, looking at the template for the floor plate, the GMC frame will be directly under the generator air outlet hole, and I don't know if that would be too much obstruction for adequate cooling of the generator section. The radiator air outlet hole is in a position that it might be obstructed somewhat by a body support.
So even if it fits doesn't mean it will work.
I think Jim Bounds used to mount them lengthwise on slides (for servicing). He is a professional and doesn't want/need to spend a lot of time doing something the "hard" way if there is a path of less resistance. His time is money. Mine is just life.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Honda FV-4010 Thoughts [message #283360 is a reply to message #283334] |
Tue, 28 July 2015 06:14 |
rcjordan
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Yeah, JimB turns them 90 degrees and mounts them 'sideways.' He just did one about 3 months ago. He told me it takes adding another 4" of depth to the compartment.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Honda FV-4010 Thoughts [message #283419 is a reply to message #283360] |
Tue, 28 July 2015 19:10 |
tphipps
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According to the combined EV4010/6010 manual and the installation guide, the ev6010 requires a 1.2" clearance on the motor end and a 1.34" clearance on the generator end, plus a 1.02" overhead clearance, with the provision of not exceeding any of these dimensions by more than 2".
Interesting that the ev4010 requires less clearances. Especially since they have the same motor Assembly and cooling system.
I am only interested in the ev6010. 6Kw was my the goal.
Mine is installed and working fine.
You can turn either one sideways and re-build the compartment on the 23' GMC, but what you will run into when you make the cuts is anybody's guess. You will notice that Jim Bounds has only done one.
Tom, MS II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Honda FV-4010 Thoughts [message #283427 is a reply to message #283334] |
Tue, 28 July 2015 21:29 |
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JimB has done 2, now. One was yeas ago. He's pushing the idea again but, seriously, EV's are getting scarce quickly. The decline in CL listings this year has been precipitous. But cutting into the living space is what's held me back.
The Honda EU3000i is a contender for 23s so far as fitting the space but we haven't seen one trimmed out in the compartment yet. The exhaust & fuel supply systems are going to require some fabrication. AND Honda has published the last service manual for that model which may mean that a new, better model is in the pipeline. Or not.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Honda FV-4010 Thoughts [message #283435 is a reply to message #283334] |
Wed, 29 July 2015 06:34 |
rcjordan
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>JimB has done 2
Correction; 3. Another one just showed up on FB.
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