HVAC vacuum, or lack thereof [message #280262] |
Fri, 19 June 2015 09:46 |
Keith V
Messages: 2337 Registered: March 2008 Location: Mounds View,MN
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So in the never ending quest to get decent AC, I have found that my hot water shut of valve isn't getting vacuum when the control is in the AC position.
I have verified the purple line goes to the vacuum canister and I know I get vacuum there as I have a vacuum gauge.
A quick check shown things are mostly where they should be on the dash control.
Has anyone fallen down this particular GMC rabbit hole?
Should I pull the control unit and clean it up??
TIA
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
ask me about MicroLevel
Cell, 763-732-3419
My427v8@hotmail.com
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Re: HVAC vacuum, or lack thereof [message #280301 is a reply to message #280262] |
Fri, 19 June 2015 16:58 |
JohnL455
Messages: 4447 Registered: October 2006 Location: Woodstock, IL
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I have the 77 version and I think vac only closes the valve in recirc. Not sure if Norm and cold slider sends vac. Try yours on Rec to see if you get suction. Also vac lines under hood can be partly cracked and crispy giving some vacuum but not full signal. Look Ok but have cracks leàking. The wafer retaner can be cracked or loose and not sending full signal output.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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Re: HVAC vacuum, or lack thereof [message #280315 is a reply to message #280307] |
Fri, 19 June 2015 23:09 |
Bob de Kruyff
Messages: 4260 Registered: January 2004 Location: Chandler, AZ
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Keith V wrote on Fri, 19 June 2015 17:18JohnL455 wrote on Fri, 19 June 2015 16:58I have the 77 version and I think vac only closes the valve in recirc. Not sure if Norm and cold slider sends vac. Try yours on Rec to see if you get suction. Also vac lines under hood can be partly cracked and crispy giving some vacuum but not full signal. Look Ok but have cracks leàking. The wafer retaner can be cracked or loose and not sending full signal output.
John,
You are correct!
That was 1/2 the problem, it only shuts off the hot water in recirc, good to know.
The other 1/2 of the problem was that the check valve was in backwards....
So now my AC will be Ice cold right?
The heater shut off only gets vacuum when the temp lever is fully to the left in full cold mode.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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Re: HVAC vacuum, or lack thereof [message #280321 is a reply to message #280315] |
Sat, 20 June 2015 03:33 |
Ken Burton
Messages: 10030 Registered: January 2004 Location: Hebron, Indiana
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If you remove that valve in look inside it you will see that it does not fully shut off the hot coolant flow. It only reduces it some. I installed an manual valve year ago. I turn it off in the spring and back on when it gets cold. The manual (pex) valve is a quick install and can be done inn the parking lot of Lowes or wherever you buy it. You will need a razor knife, a screw driver and 2 hose clamps. I have mine under the front hood near the heater. It is easily accessible there.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Re: [GMCnet] HVAC vacuum, or lack thereof [message #280326 is a reply to message #280315] |
Sat, 20 June 2015 05:23 |
kincaid76royale
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You might try using an electric valve in place of the vacuum one. Simple install and really works,
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6776-electric-heater-control-valve.html
Jack Kincaid, Castro Valley, CA
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] HVAC vacuum, or lack thereof
Keith V wrote on Fri, 19 June 2015 17:18
> JohnL455 wrote on Fri, 19 June 2015 16:58
>> I have the 77 version and I think vac only closes the valve in recirc. Not sure if Norm and cold slider sends vac. Try yours on Rec to see if
>> you get suction. Also vac lines under hood can be partly cracked and crispy giving some vacuum but not full signal. Look Ok but have cracks
>> leàking. The wafer retaner can be cracked or loose and not sending full signal output.
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> John,
> You are correct!
> That was 1/2 the problem, it only shuts off the hot water in recirc, good to know.
> The other 1/2 of the problem was that the check valve was in backwards....
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> So now my AC will be Ice cold right? :d
The heater shut off only gets vacuum when the temp lever is fully to the left in full cold mode.
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Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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Re: HVAC vacuum, or lack thereof [message #280329 is a reply to message #280262] |
Sat, 20 June 2015 07:00 |
kerry pinkerton
Messages: 2565 Registered: July 2012 Location: Harvest, Al
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I ate that rabbit but didn't care for the taste. On my 77 heat/AC control unit, there are two air switches. The bit one for the air door is readily available and about $25. The other one is for the hot water valve and is not available TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
I replaced it with a manual PEX valve like JR showed. The only problem is that in our part of the world, we may want heat in the morning and AC in the afternoon. On a January rally in Tampa, I found myself having to stop and open/close the valve in order to stay comfortable. I will replace the valve with a ball valve that has a longer handle and rig up a pull/push control (think choke cable on old cars and lawnmowers).
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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Re: HVAC vacuum, or lack thereof [message #280351 is a reply to message #280321] |
Sat, 20 June 2015 11:09 |
Bob de Kruyff
Messages: 4260 Registered: January 2004 Location: Chandler, AZ
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Ken Burton wrote on Sat, 20 June 2015 02:33If you remove that valve in look inside it you will see that it does not fully shut off the hot coolant flow. It only reduces it some. I installed an manual valve year ago. I turn it off in the spring and back on when it gets cold. The manual (pex) valve is a quick install and can be done inn the parking lot of Lowes or wherever you buy it. You will need a razor knife, a screw driver and 2 hose clamps. I have mine under the front hood near the heater. It is easily accessible there.
Ken, valvas may differ. I just recently went through my cooling system and spent a lot of time with the shut off valve. Initially it was plugged with crap and wouldn't flow at all. After I cleaned it I found that it functioned perfectly and was able to totally shut down flow if there was no vacuum signal.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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Re: HVAC vacuum, or lack thereof [message #280415 is a reply to message #280351] |
Sun, 21 June 2015 02:56 |
Ken Burton
Messages: 10030 Registered: January 2004 Location: Hebron, Indiana
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I have only looked at 2 of them and I believe both were OEM, but I'm not sure. Both had a loosely fitted butterfly for the valve with a hole drilled in the butterfly.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Re: HVAC vacuum, or lack thereof [message #280431 is a reply to message #280415] |
Sun, 21 June 2015 11:43 |
Bob de Kruyff
Messages: 4260 Registered: January 2004 Location: Chandler, AZ
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Ken Burton wrote on Sun, 21 June 2015 01:56I have only looked at 2 of them and I believe both were OEM, but I'm not sure. Both had a loosely fitted butterfly for the valve with a hole drilled in the butterfly.
Mine is not OEM--I think I got it at Autozone and picked one which would fit. It has a metal butterfly with a rubber gasket--it doesn't leak a drop. Although every bit helps on our systems, hot water in the core is not that big of a deal when asking for AC.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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Re: HVAC vacuum, or lack thereof [message #280432 is a reply to message #280349] |
Sun, 21 June 2015 11:44 |
Bob de Kruyff
Messages: 4260 Registered: January 2004 Location: Chandler, AZ
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A Hamilto wrote on Sat, 20 June 2015 09:30kerry pinkerton wrote on Sat, 20 June 2015 07:00I ate that rabbit but didn't care for the taste. On my 77 heat/AC control unit, there are two air switches. The bit one for the air door is readily available and about $25. The other one is for the hot water valve and is not available TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
I replaced it with a manual PEX valve like JR showed. The only problem is that in our part of the world, we may want heat in the morning and AC in the afternoon. On a January rally in Tampa, I found myself having to stop and open/close the valve in order to stay comfortable. I will replace the valve with a ball valve that has a longer handle and rig up a pull/push control (think choke cable on old cars and lawnmowers). You just want to do what I said. Throw away the heater door and connect one of these to the temp control cable that currently operates that door:
http://www.crankshift.com/heater-core/heater-control-valve-3/
Great Idea !
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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Re: HVAC vacuum, or lack thereof [message #280433 is a reply to message #280377] |
Sun, 21 June 2015 11:45 |
Bob de Kruyff
Messages: 4260 Registered: January 2004 Location: Chandler, AZ
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JohnL455 wrote on Sat, 20 June 2015 16:54I thought it was VAC= CLOSED. Though being if vac failed you would have heat and def.
Correct
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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