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As it is now. You only know you have an oil pressure problem is by seeing the light come on. And that's if you see it on a bright sunny day. And that's after the damage has already started to happen. Would there be an interest in a sensor kit that I could make? Bob Dunahugh78 RoyaleMember GMCMI

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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem. [message #277000 is a reply to message #276967] Wed, 29 April 2015 13:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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BobDunahugh wrote on Wed, 29 April 2015 06:56
As it is now. You only know you have an oil pressure problem is by seeing the light come on. And that's if you see it on a bright sunny day. And that's after the damage has already started to happen. Would there be an interest in a sensor kit that I could make? Bob Dunahugh78 RoyaleMember GMCMI

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I wired a cheap Radio Shack buzzer across my oil pressure switch--works like a champ.
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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem. [message #277004 is a reply to message #276967] Wed, 29 April 2015 14:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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22mm 12V DC Red LED Flashing Buzzer Pilot Panel Indicator Light https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Q1B2730/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_p.wqvb1QMPQAC
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Q1B2730/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_p.wqvb1QMPQAC

Found this red light buzzer on Amazon, wired it into oil pressure switch through a relay when I did my fuel pump cut-off...
Can't miss it.


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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem. [message #277009 is a reply to message #277004] Wed, 29 April 2015 18:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The link doesn't work Sean...

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> Found this red light buzzer on Amazon, wired it into oil pressure switch
> through a relay when I did my fuel pump cut-off...
> Can't miss it.
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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem. [message #277016 is a reply to message #276967] Wed, 29 April 2015 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob,

I reckon this is the best device for a GMC to monitor critical parameters:

http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/496

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Rob M.

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From: Bob Dunahugh

As it is now. You only know you have an oil pressure problem is by seeing the light come on. And that's if you see it on a bright
sunny day. And that's after the damage has already started to happen. Would there be an interest in a sensor kit that I could make?


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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem. [message #277037 is a reply to message #276967] Wed, 29 April 2015 22:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm talking about being notified of an oil pressure problem before your light, or any gauge displayed a problem. Bob Dunahugh




As it is now. You only know you have an oil pressure problem is by seeing the light come on. And that's if you see it on a bright sunny day. And that's after the damage has already started to happen. Would there be an interest in a sensor kit that I could make? Bob Dunahugh78 RoyaleMember GMCMI

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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem. [message #277041 is a reply to message #277037] Wed, 29 April 2015 23:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob,

I suggest you review the full brochure on the Digi-Panel in a nutshell there are three different colored bars:

Green = all good
Yellow = caution
Red = problem

There is an audio alarm as well that comes on at ?? PSI or ??°F (I can't remember the pressure or temperature).

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I'm talking about being notified of an oil pressure problem before your light, or any gauge displayed a problem. Bob Dunahugh




As it is now. You only know you have an oil pressure problem is by seeing the light come on. And that's if you see it on a bright
sunny day. And that's after the damage has already started to happen. Would there be an interest in a sensor kit that I could make?
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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem. [message #277046 is a reply to message #277041] Thu, 30 April 2015 07:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is the value when the alarm comes on, able to be set by the user?

I like the function of the digipanel, the Esthetics, not so much. I can see that a device that runs in parallel to a conventional guage
that has a user settable alarm point and perhaps a tri-color LED indicator would be useful. Each guage would have a small led mounted beside it that would glow green normally, turn orange as a warning and activate a user cancellable bleep when something goes outside normal specs, and then red with non cancellable alarm (like the "pull up" warnings on civil aircraft.)
It would be clever to add voice warning (fairly easy nowadays).........
Only visible part on the dash would be the single LED per guage and one alarm cancel button. and one could add the device to any gauge one wanted.

Pete




USAussie wrote on Wed, 29 April 2015 23:21
Bob,

I suggest you review the full brochure on the Digi-Panel in a nutshell there are three different colored bars:

Green = all good
Yellow = caution
Red = problem

There is an audio alarm as well that comes on at ?? PSI or ??°F (I can't remember the pressure or temperature).

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428


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I'm talking about being notified of an oil pressure problem before your light, or any gauge displayed a problem. Bob Dunahugh




As it is now. You only know you have an oil pressure problem is by seeing the light come on. And that's if you see it on a bright
sunny day. And that's after the damage has already started to happen. Would there be an interest in a sensor kit that I could make?
Bob Dunahugh78 RoyaleMember GMCMI

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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem. [message #277047 is a reply to message #277037] Thu, 30 April 2015 07:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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BobDunahugh wrote on Wed, 29 April 2015 23:44

I'm talking about being notified of an oil pressure problem before your light, or any gauge displayed a problem.

Bob Dunahugh

Bob,

Maybe this is what you want.
For lots of years, VW ran 2 lube loi pressure switches and an engine speed sensitive selector relay. At idle it picked the lower (~12psi iirc) and above 2k it looked at the 30psi sensor. I don't have the foggiest idea where to find one of these today.

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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem. [message #277048 is a reply to message #276967] Thu, 30 April 2015 08:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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FWIW, How about these?

http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR258-OIL-01/1/Oil-Pressure-Gauge-100-psi-(w--warning)

http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR-WTR-01/1/Water-Temp-Gauge-120-260F-(w--warning)

http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR-TRNS-01/1/Trans-Temp-Gauge-140-300F-(w--warning)

Expensive...yes...but might might be just what you need?


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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem. [message #277049 is a reply to message #277037] Thu, 30 April 2015 08:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob M. I have a Digi- panel. So I know about the colors. My plan is to know that I'm going to be running out of of oil before I do. Bob

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I'm talking about being notified of an oil pressure problem before your light, or any gauge displayed a problem. Bob Dunahugh




As it is now. You only know you have an oil pressure problem is by seeing the light come on. And that's if you see it on a bright sunny day. And that's after the damage has already started to happen. Would there be an interest in a sensor kit that I could make? Bob Dunahugh78 RoyaleMember GMCMI


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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem. [message #277050 is a reply to message #277048] Thu, 30 April 2015 08:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Larry wrote on Thu, 30 April 2015 08:00
FWIW, How about these?

http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR258-OIL-01/1/Oil-Pressure-Gauge-100-psi-(w--warning)

http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR-WTR-01/1/Water-Temp-Gauge-120-260F-(w--warning)

http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR-TRNS-01/1/Trans-Temp-Gauge-140-300F-(w--warning)

Expensive...yes...but might might be just what you need?

Bob,
Set the one of these Oil Pressue gauges to notify at say 30lbs or trans temp at 210*, or engine temp at 210*. Maybe????


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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem. [message #277055 is a reply to message #277049] Thu, 30 April 2015 09:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Would an oil level sensor in the pan not be a better idea? Lots of modern vehicles out there with oil level sensors. I'm certain that there is a sensor that could be adapted to a TZE oil pan, and connected to a light/buzzer warning system.

As far as monitoring oil pressure in a TZE. A loud buzzer triggered at your preferred oil pressure setting will get your attention way faster than any gauge or light, unless it is a race style oil warning light shining in your face. Even then, we spend much of our driving time focussing on the traffic and sight-seeing that it could be seconds or minutes before we notice a warning light.




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> On Apr 30, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Bob Dunahugh wrote:
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> Bob M. I have a Digi- panel. So I know about the colors. My plan is to know that I'm going to be running out of of oil before I do. Bob
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> From: yenko108@hotmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: RE: sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem.
> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 22:44:01 -0500
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> I'm talking about being notified of an oil pressure problem before your light, or any gauge displayed a problem. Bob Dunahugh
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> As it is now. You only know you have an oil pressure problem is by seeing the light come on. And that's if you see it on a bright sunny day. And that's after the damage has already started to happen. Would there be an interest in a sensor kit that I could make? Bob Dunahugh78 RoyaleMember GMCMI
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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem. [message #277069 is a reply to message #277050] Thu, 30 April 2015 13:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Those gauges are nice and the LED warning better than nothing but an additional audible warning would be more practical use.


Pete





Larry wrote on Thu, 30 April 2015 08:54
Larry wrote on Thu, 30 April 2015 08:00
FWIW, How about these?

http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR258-OIL-01/1/Oil-Pressure-Gauge-100-psi-(w--warning)

http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR-WTR-01/1/Water-Temp-Gauge-120-260F-(w--warning)

http://www.speedhut.com/gauge/GR-TRNS-01/1/Trans-Temp-Gauge-140-300F-(w--warning)

Expensive...yes...but might might be just what you need?

Bob,
Set the one of these Oil Pressue gauges to notify at say 30lbs or trans temp at 210*, or engine temp at 210*. Maybe????



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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have anengine oil pressure problem. [message #277095 is a reply to message #277046] Thu, 30 April 2015 17:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Pete,

No the alarm set points are programmed at the factory, however, I'll bet Art could / would set them wherever you wanted.

As far as esthetics go I quote Buckminster Fuller; 'form follows function."

What you describe below would require a tremendous amount of time when compared to installing a Digi Panel. I have seen one in the
dash and all you see is the face panel. I intend to install the ones I have for Double Trouble and The Blue Streak behind the dash
panel. All one will see are slots for the individual green / yellow / red leds. The face of the dashboard will be engraved similarly
to the Digi Panel.

The audible alarms can be switched on or off. When one comes on you can switch it off.

Regards,
Rob M.

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From: Pete Smith

Is the value when the alarm comes on, able to be set by the user?

I like the function of the digipanel, the Esthetics, not so much. I can see that a device that runs in parallel to a conventional
guage
that has a user settable alarm point and perhaps a tri-color LED indicator would be useful. Each guage would have a small led
mounted beside it that would glow green normally, turn orange as a warning and activate a user cancellable bleep when something goes
outside normal specs, and then red with non cancellable alarm (like the "pull up" warnings on civil aircraft.)
It would be clever to add voice warning (fairly easy nowadays).........
Only visible part on the dash would be the single LED per guage and one alarm cancel button. and one could add the device to any
gauge one wanted.

Pete



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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem. [message #277098 is a reply to message #277049] Thu, 30 April 2015 17:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob,

Sorry I misunderstood what you were trying to solve.

I reckon all that one has to do is check their oil level before they get the motor running and head out on the highway.

Regards,
Rob M.

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Bob M. I have a Digi- panel. So I know about the colors. My plan is to know that I'm going to be running out of of oil before I do.
Bob


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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem. [message #277105 is a reply to message #277049] Fri, 01 May 2015 08:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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BobDunahugh wrote on Thu, 30 April 2015 09:40
Bob M. I have a Digi- panel. So I know about the colors. My plan is to know that I'm going to be running out of of oil before I do.
Bob

I think what Bob Dunahugh wants is a level warning for a RUNNING engine.

The only way I know to do this is with a dry sump system. It was even tried with an engine that was equipped (in order) a windage tray, a sump baffle (poor man's windage tray), an oil scraper (that cleans the lube oil off the crank and rods as they rip past). None were successful, and that was in dyno and over the road would be worse. The problem is that there is just too much commotion in the lube oil sump even with the engine at idle.

Some street cars have had lube oil level sensors, but they are only read during the prestart calibrations.

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Matt,

Aha!

Bob,

Is this what you're talking about?


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I always change my oil when I get home no matter the miles covered. Oil's cheep. Engines aren't. Plus I know that any oil contamination is removed. So I know that's it's full when we leave on any trip. I want the sensor to let me know that I have a loss of oil while I'm driving before any lights come on. As the damage to your engine starts prior to any lights even turn on as things are now. Bob Dunahugh
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Bob M. I have a Digi- panel. So I know about the colors. My plan is to know that I'm going to be running out of of oil before I do. Bob

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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 22:44:01 -0500





I'm talking about being notified of an oil pressure problem before your light, or any gauge displayed a problem. Bob Dunahugh




As it is now. You only know you have an oil pressure problem is by seeing the light come on. And that's if you see it on a bright sunny day. And that's after the damage has already started to happen. Would there be an interest in a sensor kit that I could make? Bob Dunahugh78 RoyaleMember GMCMI


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Re: [GMCnet] sensor that would let you know your going to have an engine oil pressure problem. [message #277178 is a reply to message #277098] Sat, 02 May 2015 16:47 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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I know there are systems that work much better, but most people will not go
to that extent to do so.
I have found that Digi Panel notifies you erl enough to prevent damage.
When the sun s shining in your face, it is almost impossible to look at the
gage.
Having the alarm has saved people lot of problems,

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> Sorry I misunderstood what you were trying to solve.
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> the motor running and head out on the highway.
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> Regards,
> Rob M.
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> Bob M. I have a Digi- panel. So I know about the colors. My plan is to
> know that I'm going to be running out of of oil before I do.
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