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| Re: [GMCnet] replacing water heater [message #276364 is a reply to message #276359] |
Tue, 21 April 2015 09:48   |
william ezzell
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Thanks, Not looking forward to it Ha ha
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Daniel DeLuca wrote:
> Bill,
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> I just replaced mine I have the round tank from the late model units. I
> got it from Applied, it was pricey but I am sure it will outlast the rest
> of the coach. Some have put in propane on demand heaters. It’s really not
> too hard a job, just make sure you have all the new connections properly
> sealed before you put it back in, you are not going to want to take it back
> out the fix those drips.
>
> Dan
> 78 Eleganza II
> Central Jersey
>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 9:31 AM, william ezzell wrote:
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>> were would be a go outlet for a new hot water heater or parts?
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| Re: [GMCnet] replacing water heater [message #276365 is a reply to message #276364] |
Tue, 21 April 2015 09:52 |
william ezzell
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How did you get to all the bolts holding the old water heater.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:48 AM, william ezzell wrote:
> Thanks, Not looking forward to it Ha ha
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Daniel DeLuca wrote:
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>> Bill,
>>
>> I just replaced mine I have the round tank from the late model units. I
>> got it from Applied, it was pricey but I am sure it will outlast the rest
>> of the coach. Some have put in propane on demand heaters. It’s really not
>> too hard a job, just make sure you have all the new connections properly
>> sealed before you put it back in, you are not going to want to take it back
>> out the fix those drips.
>>
>> Dan
>> 78 Eleganza II
>> Central Jersey
>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 9:31 AM, william ezzell wrote:
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>>> were would be a go outlet for a new hot water heater or parts?
>>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] replacing water heater [message #276366 is a reply to message #276365] |
Tue, 21 April 2015 10:01 |
Ken Burton
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You do not want / need to replace the standard electric water heater unless it is leaking somewhere. It is a lot of work to get it done. Electric parts (the thermostat and heating element) are available from Home Depot or Jim Kanomata (Applied GMC). If think you need the whole heater, then call Jim K. (Applied GMC).
Usually all that is wrong is a bad heating element or th heater is not turned on. Check for voltage at the element. If 120 volts is there and you have no heat, then the element is bad.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] replacing water heater [message #276368 is a reply to message #276359] |
Tue, 21 April 2015 10:04 |
Dan
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Bill,
After you take out the little cabinet that holds the toilet paper the front bolts are not too bad. A ratcheting wrench is helpful. For the bolt way in the back I did this.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/hot-water-heater-removal/p14895-rear-bolt-in-water-heater.html
The hole is drilled in long cubby behind the sofa in the back (at least on my layout).
I doubt that anyone would make the some bonehead mistake I did, but just a word of caution. Other then the drips, the biggest problem I had is that after I removed the heater hose from the old preheater they were too short to reach the new one. So I had to splice in some new hose. Long story short I used some cheap clamps on the splice and they gave up and I lost all my coolest, plus made a big mess.
Dan
Dan DeLuca
1978 Eleganza II (http://imgur.com/gallery/YFHhK)
Parked at Evil Monkey Farm in
Allentown, New Jersey
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| Re: [GMCnet] replacing water heater [message #276381 is a reply to message #276379] |
Tue, 21 April 2015 11:44 |
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It would be great if you could do a writeup on it so that the GMCMI files could cover both type 1 and 2 water heater removals
I also have a Type 2 but have never had to remove it.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:31 AM, william ezzell wrote:
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> I am sorry it is a 1978 Kingsley with a type 2 water heater
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Emery Stora wrote:
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>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 8:52 AM, william ezzell wrote:
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>>> How did you get to all the bolts holding the old water heater.
>>>
>>
>> You don’t say what year you have (that would be helpful information in
>> your signature line).
>> If you have a Type 1 water heater you can find information on its removal
>> from
>> the GMC Motorhomes International site.
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>> www.gmcmi.come
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>> then click on the red line “The GMC Motorhome”.
>> It will drop down to a menu and select “Technical Seminar Handouts”
>> Go to “Bathroom” and it has a paper on “Type 1 Water Heater Replacement”.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
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| Re: [GMCnet] replacing water heater [message #276382 is a reply to message #276381] |
Tue, 21 April 2015 11:48 |
william ezzell
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Well I guest I will have to see how this goes, did you say I could get part
at Home Depot, if so maybe I wouldn't have to remove the water heater just
to change the element or thermosat.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
> It would be great if you could do a writeup on it so that the GMCMI files
> could cover both type 1 and 2 water heater removals
>
> I also have a Type 2 but have never had to remove it.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:31 AM, william ezzell wrote:
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>> I am sorry it is a 1978 Kingsley with a type 2 water heater
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Emery Stora
> wrote:
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>>>
>>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 8:52 AM, william ezzell
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How did you get to all the bolts holding the old water heater.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You don’t say what year you have (that would be helpful information in
>>> your signature line).
>>> If you have a Type 1 water heater you can find information on its
> removal
>>> from
>>> the GMC Motorhomes International site.
>>>
>>> www.gmcmi.come
>>>
>>> then click on the red line “The GMC Motorhome”.
>>> It will drop down to a menu and select “Technical Seminar Handouts”
>>> Go to “Bathroom” and it has a paper on “Type 1 Water Heater
> Replacement”.
>>>
>>> Emery Stora
>>> 77 Kingsley
>>> Frederick, CO
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| Re: [GMCnet] replacing water heater [message #276389 is a reply to message #276387] |
Tue, 21 April 2015 13:08 |
Ken Burton
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What parts do you need? The element just screws into the front and the thermostat mounts against the front. Either one is less than a 1/2 hour job.
What parts are broken? I'm still confused as to why you want to remove the heater. Is is leaking somewhere?
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] replacing water heater [message #276395 is a reply to message #276387] |
Tue, 21 April 2015 15:17 |
George Beckman
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william ezzell wrote on Tue, 21 April 2015 10:59I have a Kingsley 78 type 2 water heater, can I get parts at Home Depot for
this heater.
I helped Randy Van Winkle work on his. It is a '77. The anode rod was bad. (Black hot water and rotten egg smell. Randy said Margie didn't like that much!) We used an impact socket and tried an electric impact I had. It only does about 250lbs. We tapped and squirted WD. The next day we went to Harbor Freight and got a 400 something lbs. impact. During all this we tapped on it, sprayed it with PB. Waited. No deal. On the second day (we had other things we were working on) the nut part of the anode gave up.
We took it out. I am skinny and have little monkey hands and so I could get to the four bolts that hold the black frame in place. They were not tight so a wife or kid/grand kid could possible get in there. Yes a ratcheting wrench was perfect. I don't think Randy could have gotten his arm to the back corner. It took some patience and more when it came time to put the nuts and washers back on but I got the job done. (A magnet on a flex cable would be handy because there is ample opportunity to need to fish out parts. I even found a new drain valve down in there.)
I wish we had taken a picture of the pipe wrench and cheater setup we used once we had the thing on the ground. Once the tank was out of the case we had wrenches on the nut and the collar. It squealed every inch. Apparently the factory (or whoever) didn't bother with pipe dope or teflon. The anode rod was reduced to just a wire and we even had a hard time getting it out.
Randy had opted to have a JimK stainless steel on the way when it looked like we were in trouble. (Did I mention Margie didn't like black hot water and rotten egg smell)
The new tank was beautiful, fit and doesn't need an anode rod. So, he won't have to replace that puppy again.
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: [GMCnet] replacing water heater [message #276417 is a reply to message #276397] |
Tue, 21 April 2015 18:12 |
rvanwin
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william ezzell wrote on Tue, 21 April 2015 15:24It is not leaking, parts I may need are thermostat and element, can these
be replaced without removing the heater and can I get these parts at Home
Depot.
George told my story with my Hot Water Heater. You can get the element at Home Depot. I would suggest getting the adapter for the round threaded element because that is common (cheaper) element. Once you have the adapter installed, then it is easy to replace the element if you have any future problems with it (like turning power on with an empty tank  I'm not sure about getting the thermostat at HD - are you sure it is bad?
I would also recommend replacing the anode rod. You can get those at an RV supply store (about $15) or order online. Those don't last too long and, trust me, you don't want to experience the issues that a used up one causes. Your wife will not be a happy camper. I did not have any problems replacing the element, but that anode rod can be a pain. See George's recount of our experience. When I returned home, my brother's '78 coach also was having problems with bad water and sulfur smell. We use a 750 lbs impact wrench. I sprayed Kroil on the threads, banged on it with the impact for a bit, let it sit for a couple of hours, more Kroil, banged on it in the tightening direction, then tried to loosen, more Kroil, more time, more banging. By the end of the day, it came off. Just a bare wire was all that was left of the rod. Sure a lot better than pulling the tank out. And, yes, an impact wrench will fit in there and get a good direct purchase on the anode nut. And cross your fingers that you don't round over the nut edges before it comes loose.
I plan on replacing that rod every 2 or 3 years. Getting water from a lot different places across the country, you just don't know the mineral content of the water. Doesn't take long for that rod to sacrifice itself.
Randy & Margie
'77 Eleganza II '403'
Battlefield, MO
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| Re: [GMCnet] replacing water heater [message #276420 is a reply to message #276397] |
Tue, 21 April 2015 18:39 |
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You can find the parts at Home Depot and I even bought a thermostat at Ace Hardware once.
The original element is a 1000 watt 120 volts. This draws about 8.3 amps.
This is hard to find. You can find a 1500 watt 102 volt at home depot but that draws 12.5 amps.
If you use a 4000 watt 240 volts this will draw 8.3 amps and put out exactly the same heat as a 1000 watt 120 volt.
It is also cheaper and easier to find.
The heating element inside the 240 volt element is more durable and less inclined to burn out.
I suggest that you buy an adapter to adapt from the 4 bolts that hold the original element to a threaded fitting that the newer style heating elements thread into.
This makes it much easier to install the heating element.
Home Depot should have those adapters.
You don’t have to remove the tank to do any of this.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
> On Apr 21, 2015, at 2:24 PM, william ezzell wrote:
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> It is not leaking, parts I may need are thermostat and element, can these
> be replaced without removing the heater and can I get these parts at Home
> Depot.
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Ken Burton wrote:
>
>> What parts do you need? The element just screws into the front and the
>> thermostat mounts against the front. Either one is less than a 1/2 hour
>> job.
>>
>>
>> What parts are broken? I'm still confused as to why you want to remove
>> the heater. Is is leaking somewhere?
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>> 76 Palm Beach
>> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] replacing water heater [message #276427 is a reply to message #276420] |
Tue, 21 April 2015 20:34 |
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Do I have to drain the tank to change the element
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
> You can find the parts at Home Depot and I even bought a thermostat at Ace
> Hardware once.
>
> The original element is a 1000 watt 120 volts. This draws about 8.3 amps.
> This is hard to find. You can find a 1500 watt 102 volt at home depot but
> that draws 12.5 amps.
>
> If you use a 4000 watt 240 volts this will draw 8.3 amps and put out
> exactly the same heat as a 1000 watt 120 volt.
> It is also cheaper and easier to find.
> The heating element inside the 240 volt element is more durable and less
> inclined to burn out.
>
> I suggest that you buy an adapter to adapt from the 4 bolts that hold the
> original element to a threaded fitting that the newer style heating
> elements thread into.
> This makes it much easier to install the heating element.
>
> Home Depot should have those adapters.
>
> You don’t have to remove the tank to do any of this.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
>
>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 2:24 PM, william ezzell wrote:
>>
>> It is not leaking, parts I may need are thermostat and element, can these
>> be replaced without removing the heater and can I get these parts at Home
>> Depot.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Ken Burton wrote:
>>
>>> What parts do you need? The element just screws into the front and the
>>> thermostat mounts against the front. Either one is less than a 1/2 hour
>>> job.
>>>
>>>
>>> What parts are broken? I'm still confused as to why you want to remove
>>> the heater. Is is leaking somewhere?
>>> --
>>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>>> 76 Palm Beach
>>> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] replacing water heater [message #276430 is a reply to message #276427] |
Tue, 21 April 2015 20:50 |
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Not if you are real fast.
Jim Hupy
On Apr 21, 2015 6:34 PM, "william ezzell" wrote:
> Do I have to drain the tank to change the element
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
>
>> You can find the parts at Home Depot and I even bought a thermostat at
> Ace
>> Hardware once.
>>
>> The original element is a 1000 watt 120 volts. This draws about 8.3 amps.
>> This is hard to find. You can find a 1500 watt 102 volt at home depot
> but
>> that draws 12.5 amps.
>>
>> If you use a 4000 watt 240 volts this will draw 8.3 amps and put out
>> exactly the same heat as a 1000 watt 120 volt.
>> It is also cheaper and easier to find.
>> The heating element inside the 240 volt element is more durable and less
>> inclined to burn out.
>>
>> I suggest that you buy an adapter to adapt from the 4 bolts that hold the
>> original element to a threaded fitting that the newer style heating
>> elements thread into.
>> This makes it much easier to install the heating element.
>>
>> Home Depot should have those adapters.
>>
>> You don’t have to remove the tank to do any of this.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 21, 2015, at 2:24 PM, william ezzell
> wrote:
>>>
>>> It is not leaking, parts I may need are thermostat and element, can
> these
>>> be replaced without removing the heater and can I get these parts at
> Home
>>> Depot.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Ken Burton wrote:
>>>
>>>> What parts do you need? The element just screws into the front and
> the
>>>> thermostat mounts against the front. Either one is less than a 1/2
> hour
>>>> job.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What parts are broken? I'm still confused as to why you want to
> remove
>>>> the heater. Is is leaking somewhere?
>>>> --
>>>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>>>> 76 Palm Beach
>>>> Hebron, Indiana
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