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glwgmc is currently offline  glwgmc   United States
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I have a little different opinion with which not everyone will agree. When looking at restored anything - houses, buildings, cars, GMC motorhomes, etc, - I look for the very best one I can afford. The expensive things are all the things you can see and touch - in the GMC case interior and paint. The whole mechanical system - engine, transmission, final drive, brakes, steering, etc. - can be renewed to like new condition for about $20k, but you can barely touch a quality paint job for that. A quality interior with all new appliances and house utilities will run double that. So, from my POV, I will buy what I can see and redo everything I can’t see to like new condition no matter what the PO represented. Just my take. Your mileage may be different. I would never consider starting with a few thousand dollar hulk. I enjoy using the GMC far more than looking at it up on blocks beside the house. Besides, I really don’t enjoy getting up and down off of a concrete floor anymore and the cost of replacing my knees is way more than paying a qualified person to replace things on our two GMCs. I mean no disrespect to those of you who still really like to wrench, or who feel you have no alternative, but it is just no longer my thing. I used to love mechanical stuff in my air cooled Porsche days, but would no longer enjoy the 44 hours the flat rate book allows a master mechanic with all the tools and experience to rebuild a 6 cyl. air cooled Porsche engine. I do still like designing and hand crafting fine furniture, though! (grin).

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I agree, I figure I wasted a good 6-8 grand on my coach because I paid for all the 'repairs and upgrades' only to find out later that the PO hired
idiots, fools, and/or crooks to do the work. At this point, I've personally gone through EVERY system on my coach except the maserator (which is
installed poorly). In doing so I've replaced or redone just about everything. I'd have been much better off just starting with a 4 K coach to begin
with.

The flip side of this is that without having to do all this work, I wouldn't know 10% of what I know today so perhaps it's best to just consider it as
paying for my education.
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Kerry Pinkerton

North Alabama

77 Eleganza II, 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny, lots of aluminum goodies.

77 Kingsley by Buskirk. Rear twins/dry bath, EFI Caddy.

Also a 76 Eleganza to be re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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Re: [GMCnet] ??I'd like your thoughts about a GMC I'm looking at. [message #276193 is a reply to message #276183] Sun, 19 April 2015 04:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry, I agree with you 100%. You get what you pay for. If your thing
is still wrenching all the time, go for it. I enjoy my coach when traveling
and seeing the world from the driver's seat, not from a mechanic's creeper.
Yes, you do need to know what you have and what makes it go, but the level
of that education is an individual thing. ..... and no two people have the same
outlook. I have learned a lot of things over the last 13 years of GMC motorhome
ownership and I know there is a whole lot more to come.

jim galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, FL
Re: [GMCnet] ??I'd like your thoughts about a GMC I'm looking at. [message #276203 is a reply to message #276183] Sun, 19 April 2015 07:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry,

I don't think we disagree on coach selection priorities and what is harder ($$) to do. I just think the selection in a lot of areas is slim.

When the bug bites, however, It is hard to make rational decisions...

Just saying



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Re: [GMCnet] ??I'd like your thoughts about a GMC I'm looking at. [message #276204 is a reply to message #276203] Sun, 19 April 2015 08:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One other factor, I'd like to take a longish trip this summer, 400 miles
each way, and I think I'd be more comfortable with a coach I'd used for a
bit, I don't care how good of shape it seems to be in, if I've only owned
it for a month (for example), I'd be really nervous about going that far
from home. So there is an advantage to buying sooner rather than later.

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 5:54 AM, Joe Weir wrote:

> Jerry,
>
> I don't think we disagree on coach selection priorities and what is harder
> ($$) to do. I just think the selection in a lot of areas is slim.
>
> When the bug bites, however, It is hard to make rational decisions...
>
> Just saying
>
>
> --
> 76 Birchaven - New engine, trans, aluminum radiator, brakes, airbags, fuel
> lines, seats, upholstery, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were
> really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage
> center...
> Columbia, SC.
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Re: [GMCnet] ??I'd like your thoughts about a GMC I'm looking at. [message #276214 is a reply to message #276204] Sun, 19 April 2015 12:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It has been long said that a GMC will cost you $20,000 to $50,000. it
just depend on if you drop it up front or get there $1,000 at a time.
--
Jim Mills KD0NPU
Greeley, CO
1973 CanyonLands 260 TZE-063V100731(under renovation)

On Sun, 2015-04-19 at 06:00 -0700, Ronald Pottol wrote:

> One other factor, I'd like to take a longish trip this summer, 400 miles
> each way, and I think I'd be more comfortable with a coach I'd used for a
> bit, I don't care how good of shape it seems to be in, if I've only owned
> it for a month (for example), I'd be really nervous about going that far
> from home. So there is an advantage to buying sooner rather than later.
>
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 5:54 AM, Joe Weir wrote:
>
>> Jerry,
>>
>> I don't think we disagree on coach selection priorities and what is harder
>> ($$) to do. I just think the selection in a lot of areas is slim.
>>
>> When the bug bites, however, It is hard to make rational decisions...
>>
>> Just saying
>>
>>
>> --
>> 76 Birchaven - New engine, trans, aluminum radiator, brakes, airbags, fuel
>> lines, seats, upholstery, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were
>> really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage
>> center...
>> Columbia, SC.
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Re: [GMCnet] ??I'd like your thoughts about a GMC I'm looking at. [message #276215 is a reply to message #276214] Sun, 19 April 2015 12:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jw mills wrote on Sun, 19 April 2015 12:10
It has been long said that a GMC will cost you $20,000 to $50,000. it
just depend on if you drop it up front or get there $1,000 at a time.
--
Jim Mills KD0NPU
Greeley, CO



Sometimes the bites are bigger than $1000. <no big grin here>


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Re: [GMCnet] ??I'd like your thoughts about a GMC I'm looking at. [message #276225 is a reply to message #276214] Sun, 19 April 2015 14:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jw mills wrote on Sun, 19 April 2015 12:10
It has been long said that a GMC will cost you $20,000 to $50,000. it just depend on if you drop it up front or get there $1,000 at a time.
--
Jim Mills KD0NPU
Greeley, CO
1973 CanyonLands 260 TZE-063V100731(under renovation)
Every time I see this I am compelled to provide the other perspective.

If you get a runner for under $10k (easy to do) you can use it after a quick once over for safety and reliability (inspect brakes, grease everything and replace any hoses, belts and boots that need it).

Most people here seem to want everyone to believe you have to whip out the checkbook and/or credit card and start spending. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY IF YOU DON'T WANT OR CAN'T AFFORD IT, AS LONG AS YOU CAN DO YOUR OWN WORK.

Read here: http://gmcmotorhome.info/buygmc.html#FREE

I can use my Sequoia as an example of a sub $10k unit if anyone wants me to post details.
Re: [GMCnet] ??I'd like your thoughts about a GMC I'm looking at. [message #276252 is a reply to message #276225] Sun, 19 April 2015 23:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's the "if your time is worth nothing" school, and that's where I'm at.

I'm hoping for a coach that will go a few years without expiring
expensively on the side of the road in the next few years. The rest I can
deal with.

;-)

Plato seems wrong to me today
On Apr 19, 2015 12:39 PM, "A." wrote:

> jw mills wrote on Sun, 19 April 2015 12:10
>> It has been long said that a GMC will cost you $20,000 to $50,000. it
> just depend on if you drop it up front or get there $1,000 at a time.
>> --
>> Jim Mills KD0NPU
>> Greeley, CO
>> 1973 CanyonLands 260 TZE-063V100731(under renovation)
> Every time I see this I am compelled to provide the other perspective.
>
> If you get a runner for under $10k (easy to do) you can use it after a
> quick once over for safety and reliability (inspect brakes, grease
> everything
> and replace any hoses, belts and boots that need it).
>
> Most people here seem to want everyone to believe you have to whip out the
> checkbook and/or credit card and start spending. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT
> WAY IF YOU DON'T WANT OR CAN'T AFFORD IT, AS LONG AS YOU CAN DO YOUR OWN
> WORK.
>
> Read here: http://gmcmotorhome.info/buygmc.html#FREE
>
> I can use my Sequoia as an example of a sub $10k unit if anyone wants me
> to post details.
> --
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> '73 23' CanyonLands For Sale
> Upper Alabama
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Re: [GMCnet] ??I'd like your thoughts about a GMC I'm looking at. [message #276254 is a reply to message #276252] Mon, 20 April 2015 00:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ronald Pottol wrote on Sun, 19 April 2015 23:03
That's the "if your time is worth nothing" school...
Sort of, but not exactly. It is the "I never made $80 per hour, and I am #$@%^&** sure not going to pay someone that may or may not have graduated high school that much to do something that I can do myself" school of thought.
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The other side of that is "Can I build and support a shop full of equipment plus pay a decent wage to competent mechanics with bennies and insure the whole operation on only $80 per hour charge to the customer?"
Which then to you or me boils down to 'Do I need the resources $80 per hour buys me to correct whatever's broken?' Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Frady down at Southland has a service pit, beucoup equipment and test gear, and a shop full of experienced motorhome mechanics. He can do stuff I can't do on the slab beside the house with hand tools, compressed air, and a test meter.
Looked at another way, if I wish, I can get substantially more than $98 per hour (current rate here) to go heal somebody's transmitter. If it looks like I'll have to pay Frady et all for a major repair, I'll blow two or three days doing so.
You pays your money and you spends your time and you takes your choice.

--johnny


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Since I cant camp all the time, my nights and a lot of weekends are free.
I use that time to work on the GMC and other projects.

I COULD stay at work and never see the outside and make a lot of money, then give that money to someone to fix my GMC, mow my yard and even entertain my wife, But I actually enjoy getting out of the office and doing some of these things, hard to believe I know, esp the wife part Smile


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Johnny Bridges wrote on Mon, 20 April 2015 08:16
The other side of that is "Can I build and support a shop full of equipment plus pay a decent wage to competent mechanics with bennies and insure the whole operation on only $80 per hour charge to the customer?"
Which then to you or me boils down to 'Do I need the resources $80 per hour buys me to correct whatever's broken?' Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Frady down at Southland has a service pit, beucoup equipment and test gear, and a shop full of experienced motorhome mechanics. He can do stuff I can't do on the slab beside the house with hand tools, compressed air, and a test meter.
Looked at another way, if I wish, I can get substantially more than $98 per hour (current rate here) to go heal somebody's transmitter. If it looks like I'll have to pay Frady et all for a major repair, I'll blow two or three days doing so.
You pays your money and you spends your time and you takes your choice.

--johnny
I understand that the hourly rate is necessary to stay in business. And it is in alignment with the realities of the universe. Another reality is that it takes me at least 3 - 4 times as long to do stuff as a professional, but when I am done, I have some dollars left for gas money. Not everyone here retired stupid rich. If I worked full time and made more than $80 per hour, maybe I could afford the luxury of hiring it done, but that also costs me the satisfaction of doing it myself. I might also not have time to do it myself.

Know your limitations. There are a some things that I can't do on a GMC. Wheel bearings need a tool that costs about the same as hiring it done, if you can even find a bearing tool for sale. Bogey bushings are a bear that are best done with a 10-ton press and I might be willing to buy my way out of doing that myself. But brake shoes, cylinders, pads, calipers, cables, lines, bearings, joints and all things engine are shade-tree mechanic level. And interior stuff is just handyman level.
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"shade Tree" here in the South means 90 plus degree Heat, 100% humidity, Fire Ants and Mosquitos for 2/3 the year......So for a Ex Pat Scot more used to a Temperate climate, working on a GMC also means having Workshop with AC and Heat
or it simply is no fun at all.........
Possible not not cheap. In fact its likely one could easily spend more on the "barn" than the GMC....but at least the Barn depreciates slower and it saves on paying for covered storage elsewhere.


Pete



A Hamilto wrote on Mon, 20 April 2015 12:13
Johnny Bridges wrote on Mon, 20 April 2015 08:16
The other side of that is "Can I build and support a shop full of equipment plus pay a decent wage to competent mechanics with bennies and insure the whole operation on only $80 per hour charge to the customer?"
Which then to you or me boils down to 'Do I need the resources $80 per hour buys me to correct whatever's broken?' Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Frady down at Southland has a service pit, beucoup equipment and test gear, and a shop full of experienced motorhome mechanics. He can do stuff I can't do on the slab beside the house with hand tools, compressed air, and a test meter.
Looked at another way, if I wish, I can get substantially more than $98 per hour (current rate here) to go heal somebody's transmitter. If it looks like I'll have to pay Frady et all for a major repair, I'll blow two or three days doing so.
You pays your money and you spends your time and you takes your choice.

--johnny
I understand that the hourly rate is necessary to stay in business. And it is in alignment with the realities of the universe. Another reality is that it takes me at least 3 - 4 times as long to do stuff as a professional, but when I am done, I have some dollars left for gas money. Not everyone here retired stupid rich. If I worked full time and made more than $80 per hour, maybe I could afford the luxury of hiring it done, but that also costs me the satisfaction of doing it myself. I might also not have time to do it myself.

Know your limitations. There are a some things that I can't do on a GMC. Wheel bearings need a tool that costs about the same as hiring it done, if you can even find a bearing tool for sale. Bogey bushings are a bear that are best done with a 10-ton press and I might be willing to buy my way out of doing that myself. But brake shoes, cylinders, pads, calipers, cables, lines, bearings, joints and all things engine are shade-tree mechanic level. And interior stuff is just handyman level.



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thesmith wrote on Mon, 20 April 2015 13:37
"shade Tree" here in the South means 90 plus degree Heat, 100% humidity, Fire Ants and Mosquitos for 2/3 the year......So for a Ex Pat Scot more used to a Temperate climate, working on a GMC also means having Workshop with AC and Heat
or it simply is no fun at all.........
Possible not not cheap. In fact its likely one could easily spend more on the "barn" than the GMC....but at least the Barn depreciates slower and it saves on paying for covered storage elsewhere.

Pete
I am envious of people with a shop big enough to work on a GMC. Doesn't even have to be heated or cooled. I got a carport for the cars, and a paved driveway for the GMC. People with only a gravel driveway are envious of my paved driveway...

And yes, it not a lot of fun doing mechanic work at 90+F and 100% humidity. My driveway is shaded in the mornings and afternoons. I tend to do my mechanical work between October and April anyway. You are supposed to be using the RV June through September, not working on it. The living space is air conditioned by the roof AC, and I can work on the inside stuff all year.
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I set a box fan beside the coach and it beats the Georgia heat when I'm under the GMC doing something I can handle. I'm retired on a fixed income. My current day rate for RF work is $750, plus mileage beyond 50. For jobs without 1099s, there could be a discount. I average out about a day a month in fits and starts. If the materials are on hand, I can usually spot, install, and proof an FM plant in 3 days. Fixing busted ones is time and materials - and usually I have the licensee get the materials. He saves money and I save headaches and credit rating.

--johnny


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G'day,

I am fortunate to have a storage facility in Huffman, Texas that has two electrical circuits one is for lights and wall plugs which
is 15 amps. The second is 60 amps. It retails for $390 per month or $4680 but because I pay for a year up front and it costs me
$3850 or $320 per month. It is 18 feet wide and 42 feet deep. John Sharpe figger'd out how to get the VW towd I'm building, the 1995
Jeep I bought from him, GMC and a bunch of other crap in it!

Here in Australia I have a 1500 square foot factory unit that is "me shed."

However, ChuckB is the winner of the MONSTER barn workshop contest!

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/detached-garage/p30598-front-is-finished.html

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/detached-garage/p46450-finished.html

BTW he is out of room as it is chock full of goodies.

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Smith

"shade Tree" here in the South means 90 plus degree Heat, 100% humidity, Fire Ants and Mosquitos for 2/3 the year......So for a Ex
Pat Scot more used to a Temperate climate, working on a GMC also means having Workshop with AC and Heat or it simply is no fun at
all.........
Possible not not cheap. In fact its likely one could easily spend more on the "barn" than the GMC....but at least the Barn
depreciates slower and it saves on paying for covered storage elsewhere.

Pete



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