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Mon, 06 April 2015 12:39

jknezek

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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1089911_elio-motors-first-ever-auto-show-press-event-in-nyc-touts-84-mpg-three-wheel-car

I know Elio has come up a few times with people thinking about it being a towd if it ever gets built. The above link is fresh from the NYC Auto Show. Not a whole lot of new information, but a pretty good balanced look at the position and hurdles the company faces.

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Re: Elio Motors ( Off Topic) [message #275180 is a reply to message #275178]

Mon, 06 April 2015 12:47

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jknezek wrote on Mon, 06 April 2015 11:39

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1089911_elio-motors-first-ever-auto-show-press-event-in-nyc-touts-84-mpg-three-wheel-car

I know Elio has come up a few times with people thinking about it being a towd if it ever gets built. The above link is fresh from the NYC Auto Show. Not a whole lot of new information, but a pretty good balanced look at the position and hurdles the company faces.

I've been watching this closely for a few years and I have serious doubts about the plan--not necessarily the car or concept. They just now built the first prototype engine yet want to go into production next year. There is no mention of the transmission design. Financing is still far short of the goal and no mention of validation testing exists. I hope he pulls it off without screwing the investors.

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Re: Elio Motors ( Off Topic) [message #275183 is a reply to message #275178]

Mon, 06 April 2015 12:58

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I paid the non-refundable $100 but give it a coin-toss as to whether it'll actually ever be produced. *IF* it ever is, I don't want to be the first in line for delivery, either, let a few thousand a head of me (I signed up around the 10k buyer mark) work out the kinks.

I will say that Elio has seemingly been very successful in getting the state legislatures to set up a new class of vehicle that doesn't require helmets or motorcycle endorsements on your drivers license. Look like my state will be among the last to approve it (soon). That part is impressive and no small feat.

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Re: Elio Motors ( Off Topic) [message #275184 is a reply to message #275180]

Mon, 06 April 2015 13:00

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Bob de Kruyff wrote on Mon, 06 April 2015 12:47

jknezek wrote on Mon, 06 April 2015 11:39
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1089911_elio-motors-first-ever-auto-show-press-event-in-nyc-touts-84-mpg-three-wheel-car

I know Elio has come up a few times with people thinking about it being a towd if it ever gets built. The above link is fresh from the NYC Auto Show. Not a whole lot of new information, but a pretty good balanced look at the position and hurdles the company faces.

I've been watching this closely for a few years and I have serious doubts about the plan--not necessarily the car or concept. They just now built the first prototype engine yet want to go into production next year. There is no mention of the transmission design. Financing is still far short of the goal and no mention of validation testing exists. I hope he pulls it off without screwing the investors.

$2 gas is mucking up his efforts to get investors. The cars won't sell well until gas gets up close to $4 per gallon again. By then he will have been bankrupt for quite a while.

I hope I am wrong. I really want to see them produced and sold to commuters in huge numbers.

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Re: [GMCnet] Elio Motors ( Off Topic) [message #275209 is a reply to message #275184]

Mon, 06 April 2015 18:50

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I am of the opinion that commuters belong on trains and busses. A vehicle like this would encourage more people to drive to work
further clogging the roads.

Obviously the trains and busses need to be clean, safe, and run on time.

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I hope I am wrong. I really want to see them produced and sold to commuters in huge numbers.

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Re: [GMCnet] Elio Motors ( Off Topic) [message #275216 is a reply to message #275209]

Mon, 06 April 2015 19:30

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When you live in a rural area there are no buses or trains.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Robert Mueller
wrote:

> I am of the opinion that commuters belong on trains and busses. A vehicle
> like this would encourage more people to drive to work
> further clogging the roads.
>
> Obviously the trains and busses need to be clean, safe, and run on time.
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A.
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> I hope I am wrong. I really want to see them produced and sold to
> commuters in huge numbers.
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Re: [GMCnet] Elio Motors ( Off Topic) [message #275220 is a reply to message #275216]

Mon, 06 April 2015 20:24

USAussie

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Bruce,

Agreed, I'll bet dollars to donuts most people DON'T commute from rural areas they live much closer in.

I see Milliken is a "suburb" of Denver that is about 50 miles out. I would not expect someone that far from Denver to ride a bus or
a train, however, I would expect people that live within the ring road around Denver (it appears to be 470?) to do so.

When I was the Operations Manager of the Hamilton Standard overhaul shop in Long Beach, CA a lot of my guys lived out in Riverside
(about 55 miles). A group of them got together and came to me noting they wanted to start a car pool to get to work and asked if
they could start work at 6:30 instead of 7:30 because that way they could beat the traffic and reduce their commute time (and
workday) by several hours. I gave them the OK to do that.

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Rob M.

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When you live in a rural area there are no buses or trains.

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Re: [GMCnet] Elio Motors ( Off Topic) [message #275248 is a reply to message #275216]

Tue, 07 April 2015 07:27

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[quote title=Bruce Hart wrote on Mon, 06 April 2015 19:30]When you live in a rural area there are no buses or trains.

Thats a US political decision (Ok in some place in this huge country public transport would be very difficult) and leaves those that cannot drive horribly isolated.

It doesn't have to be that way.

I can't see Elio making it.....the vehicle is not that revolutionary and the manufacturer does not already have almost unlimited finances in the way Tesla has.........
Given that honda, Toyota etc already produce small, economical and (by historical measures) incredibly reliable vehicles there is only a very limited market for anything else.

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Re: Elio Motors ( Off Topic) [message #275249 is a reply to message #275178]

Tue, 07 April 2015 07:45

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>can't see Elio making it

Again, I'm 50/50. Given their success with press releases and lobbying, I see a possibility of them securing incentive grants and gov funding hawked as job creation.

>the vehicle is not that revolutionary

Except for the price. Well, and the gas mileage. Assuming, of course, that they meet those targets. The revolutionary part was using the motorcycle laws to circumvent the requirements for auto production in the US, then getting the rules changed so it isn't a motorcycle.

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Re: [GMCnet] Elio Motors ( Off Topic) [message #275251 is a reply to message #275248]

Tue, 07 April 2015 07:41

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The same can be said about the Tesla - in both cases the distribution is disruptive, and that has the status-quo in an uproar.

For that reason alone, we need for them to succeed, or be forced to live with the currently legislated distribution infrastructure forever.

Listening to the WV Governor make Tesla “illegal” was exactly like listening to the the Auto Dealers shill. Same words, same emphasis, same horse manure.

Technological disruption would be great. Look what the quality disruption (brought to us by Japan) did for us, but we won’t move forward without something changing.

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> On Apr 7, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Pete Smith wrote:
>
> [quote title=Bruce Hart wrote on Mon, 06 April 2015 19:30]When you live in a rural area there are no buses or trains.
>
> Thats a US political decision (Ok in some place in this huge country public transport would be very difficult) and leaves those that cannot drive
> horribly isolated.
>
> It doesn't have to be that way.
>
> I can't see Elio making it.....the vehicle is not that revolutionary and the manufacturer does not already have almost unlimited finances in the way
> Tesla has.........
> Given that honda, Toyota etc already produce small, economical and (by historical measures) incredibly reliable vehicles there is only a very limited
> market for anything else.
>
>
>
> Pete
>
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Elio Motors ( Off Topic) [message #275261 is a reply to message #275216]

Tue, 07 April 2015 09:54

Terry Taylor

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More importantly, Rob, trains need to be convenient to get to, come from where you live and go to where you want to go.
Unfortunately, they tend to be built where it is convenient to build them, instead.

On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 5:51 PM, Robert Mueller wrote:
>> Obviously the trains and busses need to be clean, safe, and run on time.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Elio Motors ( Off Topic) [message #275265 is a reply to message #275178]

Tue, 07 April 2015 10:49

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What so many miss is that "fly-over" country is pretty much devoid of public transportation because it simply cannot even be cost effective with subsidies that are usually supplied from motorfuel taxes. The country is ruled by the east and west coast megopili. Each coast has a megopolis that is in the area of 100 miles in from the coast and runs the length of the dense population. Even in these areas public transportation is problematic. Even in fly-over land many people live more than 50 miles form the place of employment. This is a result of the the fact that those areas have become dated and over-populated this has driven housing prices down and those areas are now not popular with those that can afford to live elsewhere and have safe yards, grills and pools. Where we live now, there are more than few people that commute more than fifty mile one way. In the norther burbs of Detroit, it is very common.

Is there a market for Elio?
Is there a market for Smart for two? They aren't that different.

I think I will just stand back and watch.

Matt

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Re: [GMCnet] Elio Motors ( Off Topic) [message #275269 is a reply to message #275265]

Tue, 07 April 2015 11:26

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On Apr 7, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Matt Colie wrote:

> What so many miss is that "fly-over" country is pretty much devoid of public transportation because it simply cannot even be cost effective with
> subsidies that are usually supplied from motorfuel taxes. The country is ruled by the east and west coast megopili. Each coast has a megopolis that
> is in the area of 100 miles in from the coast and runs the length of the dense population. Even in these areas public transportation is problematic.

Here in Central Florida we now have "the SunRail commuter train" which is proving to be more of an obstruction than an asset and supports the above statement !

> Even in fly-over land many people live more than 50 miles form the place of employment. This is a result of the the fact that those areas have become
> dated and over-populated this has driven housing prices down and those areas are now not popular with those that can afford to live elsewhere and have
> safe yards, grills and pools. Where we live now, there are more than few people that commute more than fifty mile one way. In the norther burbs of
> Detroit, it is very common.
>
> Is there a market for Elio?
> Is there a market for Smart for two? They aren't that different.

They are very different in may areas. The Smart is twice the cost and gets half the mpg, in areodynamic comparison the Smart is a brick and the Elio an arrow.
However I'm not sure I would be comfortable driving the tandem seating arrangement for the 600 mile trips we have taken in our Smart.
Also the Smart is about the easiest car to get in and out of that I have ever had and I doubt that us older folks will find that to be the case with the Elio.
>
> I think I will just stand back and watch.

Watch? I think watching some of my GMC friends getting in a Elio would be entertaining :^)

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Re: Elio Motors ( Off Topic) [message #282349 is a reply to message #275178]

Fri, 17 July 2015 18:03

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update:

No helmet for Elio in NC

http://www.eliomotors.com/and-then-there-were-two-2/

and regular drivers license

https://legiscan.com/NC/text/H6/id/1151085

As for funding, they've been pushing crowd-funding a lot lately. Still looks like a coin-toss to me as to whether they'll ever go into production.

http://www.eliomotors.com/elio-momentum-v9-elio-motors-leads-the-crowdfunding-pack/

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Re: [GMCnet] Elio Motors ( Off Topic) [message #282355 is a reply to message #282349]

Fri, 17 July 2015 19:00

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Re the second URL.

I wonder what they'll say or do regarding the ONE spotlight maximum on a motorcycle with all the Harleys that come STOCK with two auxiliary driving lights flanking the main headlight!

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> Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 17:03:31 -0600
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> From: rc@rcjordan.com
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Elio Motors ( Off Topic)
>
> update:
>
> No helmet for Elio in NC
>
> http://www.eliomotors.com/and-then-there-were-two-2/
>
> and regular drivers license
>
> https://legiscan.com/NC/text/H6/id/1151085
>
> As for funding, they've been pushing crowd-funding a lot lately. Still looks like a coin-toss to me as to whether they'll ever go into production.
>
> http://www.eliomotors.com/elio-momentum-v9-elio-motors-leads-the-crowdfunding-pack/
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Re: Elio Motors ( Off Topic) [message #282357 is a reply to message #275178]

Fri, 17 July 2015 19:38

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Hmmm... A little reminiscent of the "Dale"

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