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Patching holes in Aluminum Sides [message #275042] Sun, 05 April 2015 00:53 Go to next message
Broham is currently offline  Broham   United States
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Hello all,

While was was replacing my headliner I found a few 1/8" or so holes from the old awning in the sides witch allowed water in. What is the best way (other that TIGing the holes up) to repair them with access to both sides? I'm thinking some tape on the outside and JB weld on the inside.

thanks in advance

Todd


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Re: [GMCnet] Patching holes in Aluminum Sides [message #275043 is a reply to message #275042] Sun, 05 April 2015 01:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Todd,

Here you go: http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-rivets/=wm5yuw

Click on Sealing Blind Rivets

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Perkins

Hello all,

While was was replacing my headliner I found a few 1/8" or so holes from the old awning in the sides witch allowed water in. What
is the best way (other that TIGing the holes up) to repair them with access to both sides? I'm thinking some tape on the outside
and JB weld on the inside.

thanks in advance

Todd


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Re: Patching holes in Aluminum Sides [message #275048 is a reply to message #275042] Sun, 05 April 2015 09:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GeorgeRud is currently offline  GeorgeRud   United States
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I've used the blind rivets with good luck. However, I've always wondered if a coating of Plastigrip sprayed on the roof would create a nice, inexpensive waterproof coating to help with leaks. It does seem to be a never ending process of finding and sealing them.

George Rudawsky
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Re: Patching holes in Aluminum Sides [message #275050 is a reply to message #275042] Sun, 05 April 2015 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I countersunk the holes in my roof with a 1/4" drill bit and then used countersunk aluminum pop-rivets (McMaster-Carr #97447A210) and then covered with an aluminum compatible body filler.

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Re: Patching holes in Aluminum Sides [message #275059 is a reply to message #275042] Sun, 05 April 2015 10:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Since you have access to both sides, I have used a small aluminum backing plate on the inside and attached it with a one part polyurethane adhesive. After it has cured you can use Bondo or if it is a larger opening use MarineTex as it will stay slightly flexible as does the one part polyurethane on the outside. It will never leak!

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Re: Patching holes in Aluminum Sides [message #275089 is a reply to message #275042] Sun, 05 April 2015 18:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dale Ropp gave a presentation at GMCMI convention on using fiberglass resin to patch holes in fiberglass and aluminum. Mix up fiberglass resin and soak a couple of Yellow ear plugs (yes the type that you put in your ears when shooting at a gun range) in the resin. He claimed that the Yellow plugs seam to work best at absorbing the resin. Then using a large drill, or countersink, slightly taper (counter sink) the holes. Then force the soaked earplugs into the hole using a philips screwdriver or whatever tool is needed to push the plug half way through. The soaked earplug will expand on the other side so that when the resin cures, it can't pull out. Then just sand off flush with the surface, prepare accordingly and paint to match. Can't remember the name of the resin he used, but would think most any brand would work. On of the neatest ideas I've seen for plugging and redrilling holes where the screw has pulled out and the hole is now to big for the next size screw....you know...like the screws that hold the ladder in place...

Larry Smile
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Re: [GMCnet] Patching holes in Aluminum Sides [message #275094 is a reply to message #275089] Sun, 05 April 2015 19:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Larry,

Here's some advice for when one wants to drill a hole through the skin of a GMC. There are LOTS of wires that have been "foamed" to
the inside of the sheet metal and fiberglass.

The ladder on Double Trouble was held to the rear panel with sheet metal screws and they were loose. I was worried that they might
pull out when hauled my fat a$$ up. I decided on using expanding rivet nuts (look like Molly bolts) from McMaster Carr. I had to
drill 1/4" holes through the fiberglass for them.

When it was all done the ladder was SOLID. A few hours later I happened to open the freezer and noticed that stuff was defrosting!
It turned out that the 12vdc to the fridge was dead. The only thing I had done was to drill the holes for the ladder so I figgered
out where the drill would have come through on the inside and carefully cut out a section of the plastic rear wall down low just
above the floor. Once that was done I could see where the 1/4" drill had come through the spray foam insulation. I removed the foam
and could see that the 1/4" drill had cut the wire that supplied 12vdc to the fridge. Fortunately I was able to splice a section of
new wire in.

Bottom line: when you drill through the outside of a GMC use a drill stop that stops the drill as soon as it pierces the skin.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic & Lunar Nut Case
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426



-----Original Message-----
From: Larry

Dale Ropp gave a presentation at GMCMI convention on using fiberglass resin to patch holes in fiberglass and aluminum. Mix up
fiberglass resin and soak a couple of Yellow ear plugs (yes the type that you put in your ears when shooting at a gun range) in the
resin. He claimed that the Yellow plugs seam to work best at absorbing the resin. Then using a large drill, or countersink, slightly
taper (counter sink) the holes. Then force the soaked earplugs into the hole using a philips screwdriver or whatever tool is needed
to push the plug half way through. The soaked earplug will expand on the other side so that when the resin cures, it can't pull
out. Then just sand off flush with the surface, prepare accordingly and paint to match. Can't remember the name of the resin he
used, but would think most any brand would work. On of the neatest ideas I've seen for plugging and redrilling holes where the
screw has pulled out and the hole is now to big for the next size screw....you know...like the screws that hold the ladder in
place...
--
Larry

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Re: [GMCnet] Patching holes in Aluminum Sides [message #275145 is a reply to message #275094] Mon, 06 April 2015 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OUCH

On Sunday, April 5, 2015, Robert Mueller wrote:

> Larry,
>
> Here's some advice for when one wants to drill a hole through the skin of
> a GMC. There are LOTS of wires that have been "foamed" to
> the inside of the sheet metal and fiberglass.
>
> The ladder on Double Trouble was held to the rear panel with sheet metal
> screws and they were loose. I was worried that they might
> pull out when hauled my fat a$$ up. I decided on using expanding rivet
> nuts (look like Molly bolts) from McMaster Carr. I had to
> drill 1/4" holes through the fiberglass for them.
>
> When it was all done the ladder was SOLID. A few hours later I happened to
> open the freezer and noticed that stuff was defrosting!
> It turned out that the 12vdc to the fridge was dead. The only thing I had
> done was to drill the holes for the ladder so I figgered
> out where the drill would have come through on the inside and carefully
> cut out a section of the plastic rear wall down low just
> above the floor. Once that was done I could see where the 1/4" drill had
> come through the spray foam insulation. I removed the foam
> and could see that the 1/4" drill had cut the wire that supplied 12vdc to
> the fridge. Fortunately I was able to splice a section of
> new wire in.
>
> Bottom line: when you drill through the outside of a GMC use a drill stop
> that stops the drill as soon as it pierces the skin.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic & Lunar Nut Case
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry
>
> Dale Ropp gave a presentation at GMCMI convention on using fiberglass
> resin to patch holes in fiberglass and aluminum. Mix up
> fiberglass resin and soak a couple of Yellow ear plugs (yes the type that
> you put in your ears when shooting at a gun range) in the
> resin. He claimed that the Yellow plugs seam to work best at absorbing the
> resin. Then using a large drill, or countersink, slightly
> taper (counter sink) the holes. Then force the soaked earplugs into the
> hole using a philips screwdriver or whatever tool is needed
> to push the plug half way through. The soaked earplug will expand on the
> other side so that when the resin cures, it can't pull
> out. Then just sand off flush with the surface, prepare accordingly and
> paint to match. Can't remember the name of the resin he
> used, but would think most any brand would work. On of the neatest ideas
> I've seen for plugging and redrilling holes where the
> screw has pulled out and the hole is now to big for the next size
> screw....you know...like the screws that hold the ladder in
> place...
> --
> Larry
>
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Re: Patching holes in Aluminum Sides [message #275202 is a reply to message #275042] Mon, 06 April 2015 16:46 Go to previous message
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Just got a note from Dale Ropp. He says "Just read your info and the epoxy to use is West system from Gougeon brothers in bay city Michigan . "

Good Stuff!!


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