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| Re: [GMCnet] Auxiliary vacuum pump (Ford Azure) [message #273258 is a reply to message #273196] |
Sat, 07 March 2015 10:18   |
GMC.LES
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Great find.
I went looking on eBay recently only to find none available. Guess I should grab one before they are gone for good.
Out of curiosity, had anyone researched parts availability for repairing these pumps?
Also, anyone have the full Ford part number for the pump? A426C might only be the parts group. The full number should have additional characters before and after the A426C.
Something like this:
E4TZ-A426C-A
(this is an example, not an actual part number)
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
> On Mar 6, 2015, at 1:33 PM, Dave wrote:
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> I was looking for one of those Azure vacuum pumps that was discussed last year for a Mercedes diesel repair project and was unable to find them on
> Ebay. I did find them on this site, and they have packaged them as a kit with a switch;
>
> http://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=41&products_id=193
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> So if you missed the boat last year, you still have a chance to get one.
>
> Original topic if you are unfamiliar with it.
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> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&rid=4462&prevloaded=1&th=31480&start=140
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| Re: [GMCnet] Auxiliary vacuum pump (Ford Azure) [message #273260 is a reply to message #273258] |
Sat, 07 March 2015 10:24 |
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Should have read "Dave Lenzi"
Emery Stora
> On Mar 7, 2015, at 9:23 AM, Emery Stora wrote:
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> You can buy these from Fave Lenzi and besides the vacuum switch he has a n adapter he makes that plugs into the booster and which has a check valve going to the pump, a port for the vacuum switch and a vacuum gauge.
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> Makes a very nice setup.
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> Emery Stora
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>> On Mar 6, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Dave wrote:
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>> I was looking for one of those Azure vacuum pumps that was discussed last year for a Mercedes diesel repair project and was unable to find them on
>> Ebay. I did find them on this site, and they have packaged them as a kit with a switch;
>>
>> http://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=41&products_id=193
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>> So if you missed the boat last year, you still have a chance to get one.
>>
>> Original topic if you are unfamiliar with it.
>>
>> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&rid=4462&prevloaded=1&th=31480&start=140
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>>
>> --
>> Dave
>> Lynnwood, WA
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>> 1973 23
>> 1982 Mercedes 300CD
>> 1995 Mercedes E300D
>> And much, much more.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Auxiliary vacuum pump (Ford Azure) [message #273263 is a reply to message #273258] |
Sat, 07 March 2015 11:28 |
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Les,
I wouldn't worry about spare parts, I disassembled one of the three I have and noted that the rods that connect the crank to the
diaphragm have bearings at the bottom end and the flapper valves that control the inlet and outlet are stainless steel.
As far as the part number goes the eBay seller only listed A426C and that's where we got it and that's what this listing has it as
well:
http://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=41&products_id=193
Note the following in the ad above; "This pump was originally intended for use in Azure Dynamics Ford Transit Connect electric
vehicles."
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Les Burt
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To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Auxiliary vacuum pump (Ford Azure)
Great find.
I went looking on eBay recently only to find none available. Guess I should grab one before they are gone for good.
Out of curiosity, had anyone researched parts availability for repairing these pumps?
Also, anyone have the full Ford part number for the pump? A426C might only be the parts group. The full number should have
additional characters before and after the A426C.
Something like this:
E4TZ-A426C-A
(this is an example, not an actual part number)
Les Burt
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The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Auxiliary vacuum pump (Ford Azure) [message #273267 is a reply to message #273258] |
Sat, 07 March 2015 13:07 |
Bob de Kruyff
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Les Burt[1 wrote on Sat, 07 March 2015 09:18]Great find.
I went looking on eBay recently only to find none available. Guess I should grab one before they are gone for good.
Out of curiosity, had anyone researched parts availability for repairing these pumps?
Also, anyone have the full Ford part number for the pump? A426C might only be the parts group. The full number should have additional characters before and after the A426C.
Something like this:
E4TZ-A426C-A
(this is an example, not an actual part number)
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
> On Mar 6, 2015, at 1:33 PM, Dave wrote:
>
> I was looking for one of those Azure vacuum pumps that was discussed last year for a Mercedes diesel repair project and was unable to find them on
> Ebay. I did find them on this site, and they have packaged them as a kit with a switch;
>
> http://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=41&products_id=193
>
> So if you missed the boat last year, you still have a chance to get one.
>
> Original topic if you are unfamiliar with it.
>
> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&rid=4462&prevloaded=1&th=31480&start=140
>
>
> --
> Dave
> Lynnwood, WA
>
> 1973 23
> 1982 Mercedes 300CD
> 1995 Mercedes E300D
> And much, much more.
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I suspect there is no Ford p/n since it was a second stage manufacturer project
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Auxiliary vacuum pump (Ford Azure) [message #273306 is a reply to message #273263] |
Sun, 08 March 2015 09:06 |
GMC.LES
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Rob,
Of all the moving parts, it is the diaphragms I would expect to fail first, especially if a non compatible substance was ingested by the pump.
I'd like to find spares if possible.
Does the pump itself have no identifying markings alluding to it's manufacturer?
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
> On Mar 7, 2015, at 12:28 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
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> Les,
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> I wouldn't worry about spare parts, I disassembled one of the three I have and noted that the rods that connect the crank to the
> diaphragm have bearings at the bottom end and the flapper valves that control the inlet and outlet are stainless steel.
>
> As far as the part number goes the eBay seller only listed A426C and that's where we got it and that's what this listing has it as
> well:
>
> http://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=41&products_id=193
>
> Note the following in the ad above; "This pump was originally intended for use in Azure Dynamics Ford Transit Connect electric
> vehicles."
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> USAussie - Downunder
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Les Burt
> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 10:19 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Auxiliary vacuum pump (Ford Azure)
>
> Great find.
> I went looking on eBay recently only to find none available. Guess I should grab one before they are gone for good.
>
> Out of curiosity, had anyone researched parts availability for repairing these pumps?
>
> Also, anyone have the full Ford part number for the pump? A426C might only be the parts group. The full number should have
> additional characters before and after the A426C.
>
> Something like this:
> E4TZ-A426C-A
> (this is an example, not an actual part number)
>
> Les Burt
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Auxiliary vacuum pump (Ford Azure) [message #273371 is a reply to message #273369] |
Mon, 09 March 2015 11:40 |
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Dolph Santorine wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 11:04I saw some coaches with a vacuum reservoir made of PVC plumbing and a check valve.
Pros/Cons vs. pump?
Dolph Santorine
PVC pro
simple
cheap
reliable (no moving parts except vac valve)
easy installation
PVC cons
Still has limited number of brake applications
Vac pump pro
unlimited brake applications
takes less space
Vac pump con
More complicated installation (requires electrical work)
more complicated mechanism and thus more opportunity for failure.
Others will add their thoughts. On mine I took the belt and suspenders approach. manifold vac ----> PVC pipe tanks -----> JC-4 vac pump ------> brake booster.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Auxiliary vacuum pump (Ford Azure) [message #273376 is a reply to message #273365] |
Mon, 09 March 2015 12:00 |
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And. . . . . what is the Bosch part number?
Matt (or anyone with one of these pumps), at your convenience, I would appreciate if you could provide any numbers that are found on the pump. I'd like to try searching for a source for parts.
These pumps are just too nice to not have one, but if parts or replacement pumps are near impossible to find, I would hate having to re-engineer the installation if the pump fails.
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
> On Mar 9, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Matt Colie wrote:
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> Bob de Kruyff wrote on Sun, 08 March 2015 22:25
>> I believe it is a Bosch pump
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> Yes, the pumps are marked Bosch and a part number.
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> Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Auxiliary vacuum pump (Ford Azure) [message #273378 is a reply to message #273370] |
Mon, 09 March 2015 12:11 |
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Sorry, Emory. The iPhone does not allow for multiple signatures.
Wheeling, WV. Your point is taken.
Thanks.
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Excuse me for not being my usual wordy and sporadically verbose self. This message is sent from my iPhone.
No trees were killed in the sending of this message and few long dead dinosaurs were involved. A large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> On Mar 9, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
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> You don't tell us where you live. Instead of telling us you are sending the message from an iPhone (so am I but I don't tell everyone) try substituting you city and state.
>
> People that travel on flat ground, especially those living in Florida, seem to like the reservoir but those like me that live in the Rocky Mountains much prefer the vacuum pump.
>
> If you ever stall on a steep grade and have to back or drive down without the engine running you'll want more than 4 or 5 pedal pushes and the vacuum pump will give you constant booster assisted braking.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
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>> On Mar 9, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Dolph Santorine wrote:
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>> I saw some coaches with a vacuum reservoir made of PVC plumbing and a check valve.
>>
>> Pros/Cons vs. pump?
>>
>> Dolph Santorine
>> This message is sent from my iPhone.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Auxiliary vacuum pump (Ford Azure) [message #273381 is a reply to message #273376] |
Mon, 09 March 2015 12:32 |
Bob de Kruyff
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Les Burt[1 wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 11:00]And. . . . . what is the Bosch part number?
Matt (or anyone with one of these pumps), at your convenience, I would appreciate if you could provide any numbers that are found on the pump. I'd like to try searching for a source for parts.
These pumps are just too nice to not have one, but if parts or replacement pumps are near impossible to find, I would hate having to re-engineer the installation if the pump fails.
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
> On Mar 9, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Matt Colie wrote:
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> Bob de Kruyff wrote on Sun, 08 March 2015 22:25
>> I believe it is a Bosch pump
>
> Yes, the pumps are marked Bosch and a part number.
>
> Matt
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http://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=193
http://www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=193
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Auxiliary vacuum pump (Ford Azure) [message #273383 is a reply to message #273376] |
Mon, 09 March 2015 12:39 |
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Les Burt[1 wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 12:00]...These pumps are just too nice to not have one, but if parts or replacement pumps are near impossible to find, I would hate having to re-engineer the installation if the pump fails.
or buy a spare that you can use until the bad one can be repaired.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Auxiliary vacuum pump (Ford Azure) [message #273384 is a reply to message #273378] |
Mon, 09 March 2015 12:30 |
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Yes you can assign multiple signatures, but only one per email account as far as I can tell. You just need to set-up an email account specifically for your GMC content. Many of us have used Gmail specifically for this.
I have 6 different email accounts set up on my iPhone and each one has its own unique signature.
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
> On Mar 9, 2015, at 1:11 PM, Dolph Santorine wrote:
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> Sorry, Emory. The iPhone does not allow for multiple signatures.
>
> Wheeling, WV. Your point is taken.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dolph Santorine
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> Dolph@DolphSantorine.com
>
> Excuse me for not being my usual wordy and sporadically verbose self. This message is sent from my iPhone.
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message and few long dead dinosaurs were involved. A large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
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>> On Mar 9, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
>>
>> You don't tell us where you live. Instead of telling us you are sending the message from an iPhone (so am I but I don't tell everyone) try substituting you city and state.
>>
>> People that travel on flat ground, especially those living in Florida, seem to like the reservoir but those like me that live in the Rocky Mountains much prefer the vacuum pump.
>>
>> If you ever stall on a steep grade and have to back or drive down without the engine running you'll want more than 4 or 5 pedal pushes and the vacuum pump will give you constant booster assisted braking.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2015, at 10:04 AM, Dolph Santorine wrote:
>>>
>>> I saw some coaches with a vacuum reservoir made of PVC plumbing and a check valve.
>>>
>>> Pros/Cons vs. pump?
>>>
>>> Dolph Santorine
>>> This message is sent from my iPhone.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Auxiliary vacuum pump (Ford Azure) [message #273386 is a reply to message #273383] |
Mon, 09 March 2015 13:00 |
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Having a spare pump is fine, but fixing the defective unit afterwards requires having the parts, which is the whole reason for my request for pump identification info. Nobody has come forward with a source of repair parts yet, so I would like to look for one myself. I would rather keep repair parts on hand rather than a complete pump.
If the pump is indeed a Bosch unit, there is likely info and parts available. It just requires enough digging to find them. Hard to do though without a model or part number from the pump.
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
> On Mar 9, 2015, at 1:39 PM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
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> Les Burt[1
>> wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 12:00]...These pumps are just too nice to not have one, but if parts or replacement pumps are near impossible to find,
>> I would hate having to re-engineer the installation if the pump fails.
>
>
> or buy a spare that you can use until the bad one can be repaired.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama
>
> 77 Eleganza II, 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny, lots of aluminum goodies.
>
> 76 Kingsley by Buskirk. Rear twins/dry bath, EFI Caddy.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Auxiliary vacuum pump (Ford Azure) [message #273416 is a reply to message #273376] |
Mon, 09 March 2015 20:12 |
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Les Burt[1 wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 13:00]And. . . . . what is the Bosch part number?
Matt (or anyone with one of these pumps), at your convenience, I would appreciate if you could provide any numbers that are found on the pump. I'd like to try searching for a source for parts.
These pumps are just too nice to not have one, but if parts or replacement pumps are near impossible to find, I would hate having to re-engineer the installation if the pump fails.
Les Burt
Les,
I don't have one. I was at the shop of the guy in Wyandotte (MI) that had a stash and was going to get one, but this is the year of rebuilt knuckles and two new tires. He has since sold out.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Auxiliary vacuum pump (Ford Azure) [message #273419 is a reply to message #273383] |
Mon, 09 March 2015 20:17 |
GMC.LES
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I finally found a bit of info on my own. These pumps are made by Continental in Europe. The Ford A436C pump we have been seeing for sale online was from the Azure bankruptcy liquidation. There were literally thousands sold in auctions around the world back in 2012. I have seen no other references to them fitting anything else. Fortunately Continental makes variations of this pump specifically for electric vehicles, so I assume parts are (or will become) available. We just need to find them.
http://www.continental-corporation.com/www/pressportal_com_en/themes/press_releases/3_automotive_group/chassis_safety/press_releases/pr_2013_08_13_evp _en.html
The Continental part number I found online is: 03-7102.0433.4
I'm fairly certain there is a complete FORD number as well. In the following photo (in red square) you can see a blurry number that resembles a Ford part number. I'd like to know what is marked there on the pumps that everyone recieved?
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/brakes/p57392-ford-azure-vacuum-pump.html
Thanks,
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
> On Mar 9, 2015, at 1:39 PM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
>
> Les Burt[1
>> wrote on Mon, 09 March 2015 12:00]...These pumps are just too nice to not have one, but if parts or replacement pumps are near impossible to find,
>> I would hate having to re-engineer the installation if the pump fails.
>
>
> or buy a spare that you can use until the bad one can be repaired.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama
>
> 77 Eleganza II, 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny, lots of aluminum goodies.
>
> 76 Kingsley by Buskirk. Rear twins/dry bath, EFI Caddy.
>
> Also a 76 Eleganza to be re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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