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| Re: Birchaven with Honda EU3000is generator installed [message #271605 is a reply to message #271596] |
Tue, 10 February 2015 09:35   |
lqqkatjon
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that is interesting. I would think it would have to be set up to only run outside of that compartment, unless they found some way to really change the exhaust.
I have one of those generators that I borrow from work when I want. and my father-in-law has one for his travel trailer. The exhaust comes out the far end of where the plug in/controls are, and on the top of the unit just above that rear handle. It does not push out huge amounts of hot air, but I would still be concerned where the CO is going, and on a hot day, I just do not see that as running in that compartment that way.
Very quiet unit, and will run an original A/C unit on my 75 GMC. However that sucker is still heavy @ 134 pounds. One strong person can lift it in a jam, but I would say it takes two people to safely move that 3000i honda around.
One benefit of that Honda 3000is, is that it holds a bit of gas in the tank, so does not need to get filled much over a weekend.
I have seen some yamaha units now, that I would hope to look at closer next week at the RV show. This is probably what i would be leaning towards:
http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-EF2400iSHC-Portable-Generator/dp/B00AYUWDZG few hundred bucks more then a 2000i honda, and 25 more pounds. but that extra few watts/amps, I think would do the trick.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: Birchaven with Honda EU3000is generator installed [message #271616 is a reply to message #271596] |
Tue, 10 February 2015 11:22 |
lqqkatjon
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check this out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Honda-EU3000is-generator-exhaust-system-Directs-exhaust-outside-enclosure-/251649080444?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a9 7743c7c
I know that the exhaust on the 3000is, does not seem too overly hot.
as far as fuel, you could hook up a switch to a fuel pump. and just re-fill the tank on the generator as needed off the original fuel line. just make sure you either use a momentary switch, or pay attention not to walk away and let it overfill.
I think that 3000is will run 12+ hours on a full tank of gas. I can ask my father-in-law, he has ran his on 100 degree days for a week straight, but he only takes one extra 5 gallon can with him.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: Birchaven with Honda EU3000is generator installed [message #271618 is a reply to message #271616] |
Tue, 10 February 2015 11:30 |
Otterwan
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There is a cap available to allow to run the EU series Hondas from a larger tank such as an outboard tank. You could probably plumb it in to the original Onan fuel line. I saw a pair of EU2000i's mounted on a slider in an SOB with the exhaust facing the rear. They just slid them out when they ran them.
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| Re: Birchaven with Honda EU3000is generator installed [message #271643 is a reply to message #271596] |
Tue, 10 February 2015 17:27 |
rcjordan
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It is reasonable to assume that that's how they assume the exhaust escapes. I think I'd want some pipe involved.
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| Re: Birchaven with Honda EU3000is generator installed [message #271644 is a reply to message #271596] |
Tue, 10 February 2015 17:30 |
winter
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I've had a eu3000 on a rack on the back of my palm beach for the past 3 years. It was a quick solution to a nearly dead on an. It will go 24 hours on a tank of gas running the ac on a 90 degree weekend. I would like to do a more permanent install when I get some time.
In addition to the exhaust going out the back top of the generator, the cooling air comes in the bottom front. It needs fresh air in that location to keep cool.
Jerrod Winter
1977 Palm Beach
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Twin Cities, Minnesota
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| Re: Birchaven with Honda EU3000is generator installed [message #271658 is a reply to message #271596] |
Tue, 10 February 2015 20:48 |
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I installed the EU6500is using a modified onan drawer, custom exhaust pipe and remote mounted muffler. It is fed from the rear tank using a pulse pump powered by a custom vent in the valve cover. 240v. Eco mode will not ramp up fast enough to start my rooftop, but standard mode will run both. Sips fuel and very quiet. I need to modify the enclosure to preserve the proper airflow. You are not supposed to run one of these with the access door open. Integral cooling and ducting paths are integral to the chassis. I cut mine apart to weldto my modified onan slide out, it's close, but get surging at light loads...I was able to incorporate the start stop from original interior onan switch, but needed to add a Separate run indicator light because it is opposite polarity at the switch. I'll see what pictures I have.
Sean and Stephanie
73 Ex-CanyonLands 26' #317 "Oliver"
Hubler 1-Ton, Quad-Bags, Rear Disc, Reaction Arms, P.Huber TBs, 3.70:1 LSD Honda 6500 inverter gen.
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| Re: Birchaven with Honda EU3000is generator installed [message #271689 is a reply to message #271596] |
Wed, 11 February 2015 11:22 |
rcjordan
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With its top-back port and cube shape all but filling a 23-footer's generator bay, working out a permanent exhaust appears to be the challege. EU3000iS Dimensions: 25.8"L x 18.9"W x 22.4"H
It's also odd that Honda apparently doesn't make a remote start kit, though there are more than a few available after-market. There are other accessories/upgrades, too, here's a tri-fuel (LP/Nat/Gasoline):
http://www.generatorsales.com/order/Honda-EU3000iS-Tri-fuel.asp?page=EU3000iS_Tri_Fuel
While I'm at it, here's Pinellas' accessories page for this model:
http://www.pinellaspowerproducts.com/products/2/#cat_7
Given that it's a Honda, the current prices are painful but not immediately stroke-inducing. The lowest base unit price I've found is $1900 with free shipping and one dealer is offering a package with a pre-installed wireless remote for $2300. So, by adding remote start, remote fuel, and exhaust it'll be approaching $3k.
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| Re: Birchaven with Honda EU3000is generator installed [message #271748 is a reply to message #271596] |
Wed, 11 February 2015 20:32 |
Steve
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Sean,
I didn't realize you did an EU model Honda. I was thinking you did the EV 6010. I will be interested to take a closer look at your install.
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| Re: Birchaven with Honda EU3000is generator installed [message #271749 is a reply to message #271689] |
Wed, 11 February 2015 20:43 |
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mike miller
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rcjordan wrote on Wed, 11 February 2015 09:22With its top-back port and cube shape all but filling a 23-footer's generator bay, working out a permanent exhaust appears to be the challege. ....
Something to be aware of and take into account if "installing" a portable generator set into a coach:
As I understand it, one benefit of the design of the Onan cooling air flow, was that it "sucks" air from the cabinet from around the rear of the generator and expelled it from the coach. This "negative" air pressure created by a running Onan helps to keep any "bad air" (CO and other fumes) from seeping into the coach.
Between the design of these portable generators and how it is "installed," it would seem that it would actually pressurize the enclosure with both cooling air and exhaust... almost ensuring a leak of CO into the coach.
Not really a good thing.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
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| Re: Birchaven with Honda EU3000is generator installed [message #271779 is a reply to message #271596] |
Thu, 12 February 2015 07:23 |
kerry pinkerton
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Keeping in mind that I've never even SEEN one of these Hondas, I can't understand how it would be difficult to build an exhaust 'pipe' that clamps on the stock muffler/exhaust pipe and runs it out from under the body. It's just exhaust tubing????
In the same way, I think I'd put a 120V fan (powered from the genny so it only ran with the Genny ran) that pulled fresh air from outside and pushed it into the Honda at the appropriate place.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: Birchaven with Honda EU3000is generator installed [message #271786 is a reply to message #271596] |
Thu, 12 February 2015 07:51 |
rcjordan
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>tubing
>fan
I went exploring last night. What I was afraid of was that there would be some sort of bastardized ducting integral to the frame or casing. Nope, not the case. Here's a pix of one modified: http://www.inquisition.ca/fig/fr/esd/artic/generatrice/06.jpg
On other rv and racer forums, this one and the 2000i are pretty popular for putting in gen drawers. There are a few showing installations with flex exhaust tubing and fans. None, however, had as tight a compartment as our 23-footers.
CO being slightly lighter than air, particularly when warm, the grid floor shown in the coach would be OK for intake and compartment cooling. BTW, compartment heat build-up was the only real complaint I saw about installing one of these.
Site for above pix showing muffler mod:
http://www.inquisition.ca/en/esd/artic/generatrice.htm
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| Re: Birchaven with Honda EU3000is generator installed [message #271791 is a reply to message #271596] |
Thu, 12 February 2015 08:58 |
rcjordan
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This genset has been available for 10+ years. Online sales sites are discounting it. The last shop manual shows it covering serial# "to 999999." All this says Honda is about to put out a new model.
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