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Tue, 06 January 2015 19:01  |
Dolph Santorine
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Hi:
I’ve read a number of posts about getting the propane tank serviced - and alcohol cleaning procedure and new valve.
Has anyone else had trouble getting the locals to fill it, and what was your ultimate solution.
Thanks-
Dolph
DE N8JPC
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 GMC 26' Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane Tank - getting it filled? [message #269087 is a reply to message #269081] |
Wed, 07 January 2015 07:22  |
Kingsley Coach
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Dolph
I'm not positive I understand what you are asking, but generally around
here, if I don't hear what I want to hear, I either do it myself or go to
another location where someone might listen to what I am saying.
Mike in NS
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:48 AM, Larry wrote:
> Try Menards, If you have one in your area, I was just there to buy two BBQ
> bottles & the store I went to didn't carry full bottles But they could fill
> them. While the fella was filling my Bottles I Told him I had a 75 GMC
> with a 90 LB bottle so I asked him if he could fill the GMC ^ he said he
> fills
> other motorhomes with big bottles. They also sell propane autogas.
>
> try this
> http://www.menards.com/main/services/propane-fueling-stations/c-13167.htm
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> Or go to menards.com ^& search for "propane filling station"
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> Larry
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane Tank - getting it filled? [message #269095 is a reply to message #269050] |
Wed, 07 January 2015 08:24 |
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RF_Burns
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Mike,
Here in Ontario, after the big propane depot fire in Toronto, they changed all the rules and no one seems to know whats going on. I looked into it for the Heritage Cruisers club last summer and after 2 weeks my head was still spinning.
Most propane refill stations here will not fill a tank like ours unless it has an inspection sticker. But the inspection sticker is required only for vehicles that use the propane to power the engine of the vehicle. However the fines and penalties are so stiff that most of the fill stations won't fill them at all without a sticker.
The regulatory Agency says they plan on clarifying this year by making inspections stickers required for ours as well, or something like that.
When I asked about out of province vehicles, they mumbled something about an exemption.
So I plan to convert to a 20lb BBQ size cylinder. That might take a while since it appears my gauge has been slowly failing... its says empty, but when I look on the tank I still have 40% after 4 years of use.
So the moral is, when you find a place that will fill you, make sure you have enough to last your trip.
Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane Tank - getting it filled? [message #269109 is a reply to message #269050] |
Wed, 07 January 2015 09:58 |
John Olson
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I've only been refused fill 1 time out of about 10 across many states and
types of facilities from Menards to Gas Stations. Also, WATCH the attendant
carefully and advise them to NOT RELY ON THE BACK PRESSURE SHUTOFF ON THEIR
HOSE. I didn't do this and a Conaco attendant overfilled my tank to about
95% (yikes).
One refusal to fill was in Livingston TX, Red Barn (independent building
supplier that also fills propane) cited a recent company mandate to only
fill units "certified within last 12 years" per some fairly recent
regulation. I remembered that they were incorrectly classifying my ASME
TANK as a DOT CYLINDER, but only too late after leaving unfilled. Read more
about this below.
Good information on this thread:
http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=233442&rid=0&srch=asme#msg_233442
*>>>>>>>>Per JR Wright as posted in GMCforum on Dec 2013 --*
The LP tanks on the GMC motorhome are asme tanks and do not require and
inspection such as the DOT tanks do. Most are made by Manchester Tanks.
http://www.mantank.com/products/rvproducts.htm
The following information is from a online site:
"There are 2 types of propane storage vessels, an asme TANK and the DOT
CYLINDER. NFPA pamphlet 58 states that the DOT CYLINDER needs to be
recertified after 12 years from the manufacturing date. Depending on the
certifying method used, they are recertified every 5,7,12 years thereafter.
The recertification involves an inspection and testing of the cylinder to
confirm that the cylinder is still safe and legal to remain in service.
asme TANKS that are found on an RV do not get recertified. They should have
the relief valve replaced every 10 years and should follow the same
standards established by the Department of Transportation.
Notice the wording here - they go to great lengths to call the BBQ tanks a
CYLINDER and the asme cylinders a TANK.
The good LP dealers should understand the difference between the 2, the
young kid that most of the time fills your tank doesn�t have a clue.
>>>> >>>>>
John Olson
76 Edgemonte
Fulltime: Currently in Lake Pleasant Regional Park, AZ...Gearing up for a
Nova Kool rfu9000 12v fridge install.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Dolph Santorine
wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I’ve read a number of posts about getting the propane tank serviced - and
> alcohol cleaning procedure and new valve.
>
> Has anyone else had trouble getting the locals to fill it, and what was
> your ultimate solution.
>
> Thanks-
>
>
> Dolph
>
> DE N8JPC
>
> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 GMC 26' Palm Beach
> TZE167V100820
>
> 1976 GMC 26' Donor Coach
> TZE166V101610
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane Tank - getting it filled? [message #269127 is a reply to message #269050] |
Wed, 07 January 2015 13:06 |
jhbridges
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I've never been refused, but the dealer in Heflin, AL made sure the coach was shut off, keys out of the switch, and everyone - including Sam the BWD - was out of the coach. He filled it from a truck which had just come in from its route.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane Tank - getting it filled? [message #269147 is a reply to message #269050] |
Wed, 07 January 2015 17:33 |
chasingsummer
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i have seen places that only fill by weight, so they can not fill. Of the 3 local propane delivery shops, only one will fill my tank. ask around, the built in tanks have different rules than the portable ones. youngsters who filll the portable ones may not be the best to fill anyway. The rv stores in my are , most will fill because they hope i buy other stuff .
brian
asheboro, nc
75 eleganza, 74 build
119k miles and counting,
DOG HOUSE
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane Tank - getting it filled? [message #269159 is a reply to message #269087] |
Wed, 07 January 2015 18:06 |
Dolph Santorine
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Mike
I think they all covered it... The local RV dealer won't touch it, and two others shrug. I'll keep trying, and will find one.
I'm going to brush and paint the tank. It's easier when it looks more modern, especially if I need to arm twist.
Thanks for all the help.
Dolph Santorine
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On Jan 7, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Kingsley Coach wrote:
> Dolph
> I'm not positive I understand what you are asking, but generally around
> here, if I don't hear what I want to hear, I either do it myself or go to
> another location where someone might listen to what I am saying.
>
> Mike in NS
>
> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:48 AM, Larry wrote:
>
>> Try Menards, If you have one in your area, I was just there to buy two BBQ
>> bottles & the store I went to didn't carry full bottles But they could fill
>> them. While the fella was filling my Bottles I Told him I had a 75 GMC
>> with a 90 LB bottle so I asked him if he could fill the GMC ^ he said he
>> fills
>> other motorhomes with big bottles. They also sell propane autogas.
>>
>> try this
>> http://www.menards.com/main/services/propane-fueling-stations/c-13167.htm
>>
>> Or go to menards.com ^& search for "propane filling station"
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> --
>> Larry Hopkins
>> 75 Avion
>> Springfield, IL
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> 1977 Kingsley 26-11
> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane Tank - getting it filled? [message #269251 is a reply to message #269050] |
Thu, 08 January 2015 19:09 |
Bob de Kruyff
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Dolph Santorine wrote on Tue, 06 January 2015 18:01Hi:
I've read a number of posts about getting the propane tank serviced - and alcohol cleaning procedure and new valve.
Has anyone else had trouble getting the locals to fill it, and what was your ultimate solution.
Thanks-
Dolph
DE N8JPC
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 GMC 26' Palm Beach
TZE167V100820
1976 GMC 26' Donor Coach
TZE166V101610
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Get it filled at a U-Haul center. They have the lowest price and they are certified and know the rules. They are the county's largest propane filler and the stations are set up to handle motorhome driveups.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane Tank - getting it filled? [message #269261 is a reply to message #269255] |
Thu, 08 January 2015 20:07 |
Dolph Santorine
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Bill:
The tank is fine, and really it’s in good shape.
The RV Dealer flat out refused to fill any tank older than 12 years. They won’t even look at it.
AmeriGas (Propane dealer 1) really only wants to fill home tanks, and were a pain to deal with… they are in Ohio, and I don’t know if that makes a difference.
Propane Dealer 2 would not even look, citing DOT and the 12 year rule, but as I learned here, DOT is not the regulatory authority, as I’m not using Propane to fuel the motive part of the vehicle.
So, armed with the information from this listserv, I know the right questions to ask.
But, while I’m working on the interior, I have a 20b cylinder near the side, and it works just fine with the Atwood furnace that I installed (because I would worry about the Solarie).
No worries.
Dolph
DE N8JPC
Wheeling, West Virginia
1977 GMC 26' Palm Beach
TZE167V100820
1976 GMC 26' Donor Coach
TZE166V101610
> On Jan 8, 2015, at 8:36 PM, Bill wrote:
>
> So can I gather from your post they are refusing to fill your tank? You don't really say.
> If so what are the reasons they are not filling it?
> I have a Canada visual tank inspection licence and once the tank passes I have to stamp the inspection date and my licence number on the tank. So the
> first thing you have to do is make sure your tank is compliant. Number of years valid depends on capacity.
> After you have done that it seems every municipality has different and changing rules, many requiring an extensive look at the complete propane system
> annually or longer with most of those issuing a dated sticker.
> I would think if you had a current compliance sticker from your own municipality, other municipalities would recognize it and fill your tank.
> However now you have me worried.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane Tank - getting it filled? [message #269273 is a reply to message #269261] |
Thu, 08 January 2015 22:05 |
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The tank that was installed in your coach is an ASME certified LP tank and is NOT subject to the same rules as a DOT LP cylindaers Your ASME LP tank is basically certified as long it is installed in your coach and has its nameplate installed. All if not Most Class A motorhomes are equipped with ASME LP tanks. Any LP dealer that keeps talking about 12 years and DOT tanks had better go back to school and refresh themselves on the ASME certified LP Tanks. Our tanks and tanks that were manufactured before Oct 1 1998 are not required to have OPD valves.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion
Michigan
> On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:07 PM, Dolph Santorine wrote:
>
> Bill:
>
> The tank is fine, and really it’s in good shape.
>
> The RV Dealer flat out refused to fill any tank older than 12 years. They won’t even look at it.
>
> AmeriGas (Propane dealer 1) really only wants to fill home tanks, and were a pain to deal with… they are in Ohio, and I don’t know if that makes a difference.
>
> Propane Dealer 2 would not even look, citing DOT and the 12 year rule, but as I learned here, DOT is not the regulatory authority, as I’m not using Propane to fuel the motive part of the vehicle.
>
> So, armed with the information from this listserv, I know the right questions to ask.
>
> But, while I’m working on the interior, I have a 20b cylinder near the side, and it works just fine with the Atwood furnace that I installed (because I would worry about the Solarie).
>
> No worries.
>
>
>
> Dolph
>
> DE N8JPC
>
> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 GMC 26' Palm Beach
> TZE167V100820
>
> 1976 GMC 26' Donor Coach
> TZE166V101610
>
>
>
>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 8:36 PM, Bill wrote:
>>
>> So can I gather from your post they are refusing to fill your tank? You don't really say.
>> If so what are the reasons they are not filling it?
>> I have a Canada visual tank inspection licence and once the tank passes I have to stamp the inspection date and my licence number on the tank. So the
>> first thing you have to do is make sure your tank is compliant. Number of years valid depends on capacity.
>> After you have done that it seems every municipality has different and changing rules, many requiring an extensive look at the complete propane system
>> annually or longer with most of those issuing a dated sticker.
>> I would think if you had a current compliance sticker from your own municipality, other municipalities would recognize it and fill your tank.
>> However now you have me worried.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane Tank - getting it filled? [message #269328 is a reply to message #269273] |
Fri, 09 January 2015 17:45 |
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I have our OEM tank filled at PRAXAIR, an industrial gas and welding supply dealer. We also have a couple of campgrounds in the area that fill LP, either the tanks or the bbq bottles. And, a small mobile home park will fill both types of containers.
Hope this is some help.
Steve
Steve Thornburg
South Bend, IN
77 exPB 455 "Tinker Toy"
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane Tank - getting it filled? [message #269335 is a reply to message #269050] |
Fri, 09 January 2015 18:49 |
mild bill
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Well Canada is 40 Lbs and under is every 10 years, won't fill older. I would have to check my procedures manual as I just inspect when it comes up on the maintenance program but if I recall fixed tanks are every 5 years however nobody checks up here as long as it has a valid motor fuel sticker. Don't really know anything yet about rv regulations.
Hating regulation I would buy some harbour freight number stamps and stamp a new date in your tank.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane Tank - getting it filled? [message #269336 is a reply to message #269050] |
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Dolph I was a bit worried too, a local GMCer told me about the ASME vs.DOT tank certification, but I am a bit of a worry wart - so I sanded and painted the old tank, masked all the valves, regulators, and stickers, - wasn't in bad shape but looked way better when done. Then I headed to a regional propane supplier - Suburban Propane. I have a 60 gallon tank and he filled it up no questions asked.
The valve did stick open on the first fill and it was leaking a bit, I was freaking out, and the attendant got screwdriver and pushed the large schrader type of valve in and it popped up and sealed - he sprayed a soapy-anti-freezed solution and it showed no leak.. he said if it had leaked I would have had to pay to purge the tank and replace the valve, then pay to refill --- I asked how much the valve was he said about $15 bucks.. if I had known that I would have had him replace it first!
On our second trip the KOA of Watkins Glen they had propane refill station would refill with no problem on age of tank. - Dave
'78 Palm Beach. car nut new to RV'ing 26 ft. 403 rebuilt in 2018, rebuilt tranny in 2014, Dave Lenzi knuckles & hubs, yada yada yada on ION wheels,Green Brady Bunch stock
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane Tank - getting it filled? [message #269345 is a reply to message #269050] |
Fri, 09 January 2015 21:08 |
mild bill
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Like I said less than 40 lbs up here is 10 years so 20 Lb Bbq tank 10 years. The visual is no surface rust with allowances for a certain criteria regarding pitting depth. Dents are allowed as long as no sharp edge dents and criteria of depth over raidius so nice looking tank needs a little sanding and painting. Auto stop fills are mandatory up here now on all tanks as well and while mentioned valves are cheap, auto stop fill valves aren't much more. Nice if the tank is out for valve replacement so valve can be vertical during instalation however in coach replacement is simple with a trick. The float will flop around while tighning possibly bending the float rendering the function useless and possibly preventing you from filling the tank. Just put the valve in the freezer and then put a couple drops of water on the pivot hinge with float in the straight position. Quickly install the fill valve and when the ice melts it will function perfectly.
Like I say more and more States and Provinces want a sticker saying the RV's complete propane piping is safe.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane Tank - getting it filled? [message #269907 is a reply to message #269273] |
Sat, 17 January 2015 21:42 |
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powerjon wrote on Thu, 08 January 2015 21:05The tank that was installed in your coach is an ASME certified LP tank and is NOT subject to the same rules as a DOT LP cylindaers Your ASME LP tank is basically certified as long it is installed in your coach and has its nameplate installed. All if not Most Class A motorhomes are equipped with ASME LP tanks. Any LP dealer that keeps talking about 12 years and DOT tanks had better go back to school and refresh themselves on the ASME certified LP Tanks. Our tanks and tanks that were manufactured before Oct 1 1998 are not required to have OPD valves.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion
Michigan
> On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:07 PM, Dolph Santorine wrote:
>
> Bill:
>
> The tank is fine, and really it's in good shape.
>
> The RV Dealer flat out refused to fill any tank older than 12 years. They won't even look at it.
>
> AmeriGas (Propane dealer 1) really only wants to fill home tanks, and were a pain to deal with... they are in Ohio, and I don't know if that makes a difference.
>
> Propane Dealer 2 would not even look, citing DOT and the 12 year rule, but as I learned here, DOT is not the regulatory authority, as I'm not using Propane to fuel the motive part of the vehicle.
>
> So, armed with the information from this listserv, I know the right questions to ask.
>
> But, while I'm working on the interior, I have a 20b cylinder near the side, and it works just fine with the Atwood furnace that I installed (because I would worry about the Solarie).
>
> No worries.
>
>
>
> Dolph
>
> DE N8JPC
>
> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 GMC 26' Palm Beach
> TZE167V100820
>
> 1976 GMC 26' Donor Coach
> TZE166V101610
>
>
>
>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 8:36 PM, Bill wrote:
>>
>> So can I gather from your post they are refusing to fill your tank? You don't really say.
>> If so what are the reasons they are not filling it?
>> I have a Canada visual tank inspection licence and once the tank passes I have to stamp the inspection date and my licence number on the tank. So the
>> first thing you have to do is make sure your tank is compliant. Number of years valid depends on capacity.
>> After you have done that it seems every municipality has different and changing rules, many requiring an extensive look at the complete propane system
>> annually or longer with most of those issuing a dated sticker.
>> I would think if you had a current compliance sticker from your own municipality, other municipalities would recognize it and fill your tank.
>> However now you have me worried.
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JP is correct. Those that try to tell you otherwise should not be filling propane at all for anything since they are simply not trained nor certified. When it comes to the " overfill or vent" to freeze and leak during fillng, that is also normal and if your supllier freaks out over that, I would never go back to that location.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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