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Fri, 26 December 2014 19:24  |
Advanced Concept Ener
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I have 76 Palm Beach with older stretch mod. Interior looks original. Looks like vinyl wood simulation over MDF but not sure as it may be plywood under there. Looking to laminate wood veneer over it to refinish. Has anyone documented if and how they did it. Really don't want to rip it all out especially the bathroom. Looking for experienced advice.
Jon Darcy
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| Re: [GMCnet] Refinish interior panels [message #268335 is a reply to message #268306] |
Sat, 27 December 2014 07:23  |
kerry pinkerton
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Advanced Concept Ener wrote on Fri, 26 December 2014 19:24...Looks like vinyl wood simulation over MDF but not sure as it may be plywood under there. Looking to laminate wood veneer over it to refinish. Has anyone documented if and how they did it...
Jon, on my 77 Ellie I had overhead cabinets that were junk. The cabinet bodies were made from PARTICLE board, not MDF and they were just turning to sawdust. I decided to rebuild them. My approach was to remove and replace all the too badly deteriorated to repair sections and cover with wood laminate. I used 1/2" birch plywood to replace the panels that were too badly damaged to repair with filler and glues.
I purchased two 4x8' sheets of 1/16" birch laminate. On the body of the cabinets I used the wrong contact cement. I used the DAP/Weldwood you can get locally, not the high heat stuff (Landeau and Vinyl Top...looks and smells the same but doesn't let go) On the trim, I used IRON ON birch trim.
It came out pretty good. http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/new-cabinets-2finterior-mods/p52251-misc-repairs-2frenovations-to-the-interior.html
Here is a link to the album. If you work backward from here you can see some of the photos.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/new-cabinets-2finterior-mods/p52248-misc-repairs-2frenovations-to-the-interior.html
I made brand new doors.
As you get toward the front of the album you'll get into the headliner and finally the aluminum cabinets I made to replace the wooden ones.
Why, you may ask, did I make aluminum cabinets to replace the restored wooden ones? It was because my restoration failed. I had wanted to lighten up the interior and used some automotive primer and urethane paint on the cabinets. They looked great for a while but the solvents caused the laminate to crack in spaces and some of the areas that I thought would be OK turned out to not be OK. Basically, I spent a month or so wasting my time and money. I took the overheads down, removed the hardware and burned them and made new cabinets from sheet aluminum.
My bath and hall module have some type of vinyl woodgrain over particle board. It's not looking that good and eventually it will have to be redone. I'm not sure what I will do. I really, REALLY dislike particle board.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] Refinish interior panels [message #268338 is a reply to message #268335] |
Sat, 27 December 2014 08:30 |
Ray R.
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I removed my upper kitchen cabinets yesterday. Going to resurface them or build new ones. Going with new wood doors to warm up the coach. I have to get into the ceiling yet. Maybe this weekend but have to deal with 6" of snow. I have some leaks I need to find and cure. It would really be nice if the ceiling panels were removable for future leaks. I know, near impossible. Last coach I sprayed on the extra layer of insulation with a kit. Worked good but a hassle. If someone does this, use goggles or an old pare of glasses. The overspray on glasses is difficult to remove without affecting the UV layer. Looks like you used open cell board for insulation.
I like the clean lines of the aluminum valances. Was it difficult to bend them to fit the wall. I would definitely do the aluminum cabinets but that is out of my area of tools. Nice work.
Ray R.
Ray R. 76 Edgemonte 26, 455. Refurbishing for fulltiming, Ladysmith, WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Refinish interior panels [message #268340 is a reply to message #268306] |
Sat, 27 December 2014 08:45 |
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>be nice if the ceiling panels were removable
Somewhere, I've seen a picture of a coffered ceiling in a GMC. It should be do-able, though you'd lose some cabin height due to the rail thickness.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Refinish interior panels [message #268342 is a reply to message #268338] |
Sat, 27 December 2014 09:02 |
kerry pinkerton
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Ray R. wrote on Sat, 27 December 2014 08:30...I like the clean lines of the aluminum valances. Was it difficult to bend them to fit the wall. ...
Ray, it requires some specialized sheet metal shrinkers: Here is a link to the album on how I made them:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/window-valences/p46575-kick-shrinker-and-stretcher.html
Note, they don't work that well with micro-mini blinds on the big windows. Too much weight on the slats in the middle of the curve keeps them from opening/closing while down. Works fine with the cellular blinds.
I also made some from PVC using a heat gun to soften the PVC. Worked fine but has the same issue on the big windows.
Regarding a removable ceiling, I THINK Forrest Crow did this. I just redid my ceiling this past summer. What holds it up is being sprung into the slots on the side rails and screwed down by the trim over the ribs. If you wanted them to come down, You'd need to have an attachment method in front of the overhead cabinets. Like RC said, it would cost you a bit of ceiling height.
You mentioned you were going to run your overheads to the drivers seat. Mine were and the cockpit seats would not recline. I shortened them by 6" so the seats could recline. I also made the passenger side one 6" shorter by the door to keep from running my head into it. I still do but not as much. Just a thought.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
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| Re: [GMCnet] Refinish interior panels [message #268344 is a reply to message #268306] |
Sat, 27 December 2014 09:27 |
Carl S.
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Advanced Concept Ener wrote on Fri, 26 December 2014 18:24I have 76 Palm Beach with older stretch mod. Interior looks original. Looks like vinyl wood simulation over MDF but not sure as it may be plywood under there. Looking to laminate wood veneer over it to refinish. Has anyone documented if and how they did it. Really don't want to rip it all out especially the bathroom. Looking for experienced advice.
Jon Darcy
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If your '76 Palm Beach is anything like my '75, and most other PBs that I've seen, the cabinet modules are particle board with a laminate (Formica, Wilsonart, etc) covering. I have seen people try to cover this material with wood veneer, but it hasn't worked out well. Maybe it's the constantly changing temperature and humidity in the coach, but the veneer always seems to swell and blister.
It's probably best to either paint the laminate with a good plastic paint (with the proper prep) or replace the laminate. I'm guessing the paint would have to be treated very gently and would have a tendency to scratch easily, but I don't have any first hand knowledge of this happening.
Carl Stouffer
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| Re: [GMCnet] Refinish interior panels [message #268349 is a reply to message #268340] |
Sat, 27 December 2014 10:18 |
Ken Henderson
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Bruce Tara, long since deceased, did the best job I've seen of that sort.
Trouble is, I don't remember his username so can't find the photos; maybe
someone else can.
Ken H.
On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 9:45 AM, RC Jordan wrote:
>> be nice if the ceiling panels were removable
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> Somewhere, I've seen a picture of a coffered ceiling in a GMC. It should
> be do-able, though you'd lose some cabin height due to the rail thickness.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Refinish interior panels [message #268350 is a reply to message #268344] |
Sat, 27 December 2014 10:22 |
Ray R.
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Kerry,
Thanks for the reply. I see now why they look professionally done. Some quality tools and experience went into the simple act of bending the window valances. All I have are some flange pliers and other basic hand tools for metal. Stick welder only. I will look hard at PVC.
Good points about the lengths of cabinets. I remember in taking advantage of the padding on the end cabinet near the door on our old Glenbrook. I removed the dinette and will be using free chairs with a pull-up airplane table. Kitchen cabinets all along the driver side. Over head cabinets full length on drivers side. And adding over head cabinets full length on passenger side. We currently do not have these. Have to look at length again.
As you get older, you finally figure out that health is a priority and eating right is a large part of that. Need plenty of room for prepairing fresh vegies. We use a lot of frig space. Will have to live with the Norcold. No microwave. Looking for some type of oven. That will not be used much. I am planning on sealing up the exterior range vent. If we stay with a conventional gas oven, CO becomes a concern. A toaster oven would work, but that is 110. A lot still up in the air.
Ray R.
Ray R. 76 Edgemonte 26, 455. Refurbishing for fulltiming, Ladysmith, WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Refinish interior panels [message #268354 is a reply to message #268349] |
Sat, 27 December 2014 10:32 |
Carl S.
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Ken Henderson wrote on Sat, 27 December 2014 09:18Bruce Tara, long since deceased, did the best job I've seen of that sort.
Trouble is, I don't remember his username so can't find the photos; maybe
someone else can.
Ken H.
On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 9:45 AM, RC Jordan wrote:
>> be nice if the ceiling panels were removable
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> Somewhere, I've seen a picture of a coffered ceiling in a GMC. It should
> be do-able, though you'd lose some cabin height due to the rail thickness.
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Bruce's old coach is my coach now. Here is his album on the headliner:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3244-headliner-installation.html
He did an excellent jobb on this the only exception is that I have had to re-glue some of the headliner material in a few spots. Not surprising in that the coach has spent most of it;s life, since the installation, in the AZ desert.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Refinish interior panels [message #268356 is a reply to message #268349] |
Sat, 27 December 2014 10:34 |
Don A
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"Ken Henderson wrote on Sat, 27 December 2014 10:18]Bruce Tara, long since deceased, did the best job I've seen of that sort.Trouble is, I don't remember his username so can't find the photos; maybe someone else can. Ken H."
pretty sure Carl S in Tucson has Bruce's coach. Has made many nice refinements.
Don Adams Dallas, TX
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rebuilt by R Archer, powered by J Bounds, Koba
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| Re: [GMCnet] Refinish interior panels [message #268364 is a reply to message #268350] |
Sat, 27 December 2014 11:33 |
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IMNHO, I don't expect a gas oven to be much of a CO problem. Maximum time on for a roast might be 1.5 hours. Get a CO detector and provide some ventilation/fresh air in the coach while the oven is in use and you should be okay.
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> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2014 09:22:38 -0700
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: ray.radwanski@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Refinish interior panels
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> Kerry,
> Thanks for the reply. I see now why they look professionally done. Some quality tools and experience went into the simple act of bending the window
> valances. All I have are some flange pliers and other basic hand tools for metal. Stick welder only. I will look hard at PVC.
>
> Good points about the lengths of cabinets. I remember in taking advantage of the padding on the end cabinet near the door on our old Glenbrook. I
> removed the dinette and will be using free chairs with a pull-up airplane table. Kitchen cabinets all along the driver side. Over head cabinets full
> length on drivers side. And adding over head cabinets full length on passenger side. We currently do not have these. Have to look at length again.
>
> As you get older, you finally figure out that health is a priority and eating right is a large part of that. Need plenty of room for prepairing fresh
> vegies. We use a lot of frig space. Will have to live with the Norcold. No microwave. Looking for some type of oven. That will not be used much.
> I am planning on sealing up the exterior range vent. If we stay with a conventional gas oven, CO becomes a concern. A toaster oven would work, but
> that is 110. A lot still up in the air.
>
> Ray R.
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> Ray R. 76 Edgemonte 26, 455. Refurbishing for fulltiming, Ladysmith, WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Refinish interior panels [message #268366 is a reply to message #268350] |
Sat, 27 December 2014 12:14 |
kerry pinkerton
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Ray R. wrote on Sat, 27 December 2014 10:22...I will look hard at PVC.
Don't have to look too far Ray. Here is a tutorial:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6237-how-to-make-curved-pvc-valences.html
Ray R. wrote on Sat, 27 December 2014 10:22... No microwave. Looking for some type of oven. That will not be used much. I am planning on sealing up the exterior range vent....
Our PO removed the LP stove and oven and just used a crappy two eye electric hotplate and really crappy low power microwave mounted where the oven was.
We chunked both of them and have a nice single burner hotplate and a convection microwave that is mounted at eye level in the hall. We have yet to use the convection mode but probably will this next trip in January. I did put in a range hood that uses the original exhaust just to get cooking smells and the occasional burned toast out. Plus the light is handy. It is a small RV range hood. We keep a Kurig and a toaster on the counter.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
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| Re: [GMCnet] Refinish interior panels [message #268376 is a reply to message #268338] |
Sat, 27 December 2014 16:26 |
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Ray,
Here's another blind valance with clean lines, they're almost invisible!
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/aa-miscellaneous-photos/p32919-venetian-blind-valence.html
Regards,
Rob M.
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AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond Radwanski
I removed my upper kitchen cabinets yesterday. Going to resurface them or build new ones. Going with new wood doors to warm up the
coach. I have to get into the ceiling yet. Maybe this weekend but have to deal with 6" of snow. I have some leaks I need to find
and cure. It would really be nice if the ceiling panels were removable for future leaks. I know, near impossible. Last coach I
sprayed on the extra layer of insulation with a kit. Worked good but a hassle. If someone does this, use goggles or an old pare of
glasses. The overspray on glasses is difficult to remove without affecting the UV layer. Looks like you used open cell board for
insulation.
I like the clean lines of the aluminum valances. Was it difficult to bend them to fit the wall. I would definitely do the aluminum
cabinets but that is out of my area of tools. Nice work.
Ray R.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Refinish interior panels [message #268388 is a reply to message #268376] |
Sat, 27 December 2014 20:23 |
Ray R.
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All,
Thanks for all the suggestions on head liners, valances, and cabinets. There is a lot of good info here to digest. I have a good table saw so working with PVC is definitely in.
If I record the message number of one of the examples you sent, can I do a search later to find it again? What is the best system without creating file folders?
Thanks again,
Ray R.
Ray R. 76 Edgemonte 26, 455. Refurbishing for fulltiming, Ladysmith, WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Refinish interior panels [message #268417 is a reply to message #268350] |
Sun, 28 December 2014 08:08 |
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Ray R. wrote on Sat, 27 December 2014 11:22Kerry,
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As you get older, you finally figure out that health is a priority and eating right is a large part of that. Need plenty of room for prepairing fresh vegies. We use a lot of frig space. Will have to live with the Norcold. No microwave. Looking for some type of oven. That will not be used much. I am planning on sealing up the exterior range vent. If we stay with a conventional gas oven, CO becomes a concern. A toaster oven would work, but that is 110. A lot still up in the air.
Ray R.
Ray,
Ours is a first year 23' so things are a little different.
We kept the original stove with oven and it does well. If you put the call out, you can probably get a complete stove with oven for shipping. If you want to have a permanent microwave, I hung ours under where the stove vent fan was. I reinforced the cabinet structure and used screws thought two pieces of aluminum angle to hold the microwave. The galley vent was replaced by three salvaged computer fans that move more air and are quieter. The extra cabinet space where the fan was is nice too.
We get by with 3.5 cuft of reefer. The Norcold has bee repaired and may go back in some day.
Matt
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