| [GMCnet] Garage Heater [message #267003] |
Tue, 02 December 2014 11:19  |
Gary Berry
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Hey All;
I need to go into the garage and do a couple of little GMC projects.
However, my garage is not heated as yet and it's COLD in there. I do have
one of these propane heaters, but I'm a little concerned about the oxygen
it's using and the toxic exhaust. Do any of you use these type heaters and
if so, how do you vent them and replenish the oxygen. I usually leave the
garage door open, but this really isn't the way to. Any tips???
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Gary and Diana Berry
73 CL Stretch in Wa.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Garage Heater [message #267006 is a reply to message #267003] |
Tue, 02 December 2014 11:34  |
Jeff Marten
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I use a 60K BTU propane bullet heater in the garage. I don't have a "sealed" garage; i.e. there is a small gap at the bottom of my doors, and the eaves have vents, so I don't worry about venting. I have a mostly-uninsulated 3-car, 30'x24' garage, and usually run it for about 20min before I start working on anything. If you have real concerns, get a battery operated CO detector; they're cheap and available at any hardware/home improvement store.
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 09:19:46 -0800
> From: duallycc@gmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Garage Heater
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> Hey All;
>
> I need to go into the garage and do a couple of little GMC projects.
> However, my garage is not heated as yet and it's COLD in there. I do have
> one of these propane heaters, but I'm a little concerned about the oxygen
> it's using and the toxic exhaust. Do any of you use these type heaters and
> if so, how do you vent them and replenish the oxygen. I usually leave the
> garage door open, but this really isn't the way to. Any tips???
>
> --
> Gary and Diana Berry
> 73 CL Stretch in Wa.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Garage Heater [message #267007 is a reply to message #267004] |
Tue, 02 December 2014 11:43 |
Jeff Marten
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Sounds like scare tactics to me. I've run 60K and 80K BTU propane heaters, along with a 22K BTU kerosene heater in the garage for 10-12hrs when replacing the manual trans in my son's Saturn SC (total PIA!) in -10*F temps. Still here.
I doubt there is any garage built which is sealed enough to have a significant buildup of CO concentration from a propane heater.
If in doubt, get a CO monitor to be safe.
"you will get carbon monoxide poisoning and will die."
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| Re: [GMCnet] Garage Heater [message #267010 is a reply to message #267003] |
Tue, 02 December 2014 12:08 |
Jeff Marten
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Huge difference in CO emissions between a '40 Buick and a propane heater.
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 13:07:04 -0500
> From: neseirfa@gmail.com
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> Long ago I was tuning my 1940 Buick in the garage. Had the 14' door sitting
> on a gallon can to get some air. After about 15 or 20 minutes the exhaust
> stink from that old engine was too much so I exited the garage by lifting
> the door. I was on my knees as I got out. Didn't have the mind set left to
> just go through the man door. It doesn't take much to loose mental
> capabilities. I must have been close to losing it.
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> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Dan Borlase wrote:
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>> These are used on thousands of indoor constructions sites across North
>> America...I use one...open a window.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Garage Heater [message #267012 is a reply to message #267011] |
Tue, 02 December 2014 12:29 |
Albert Friesen
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I was already hitched and doing OK. That incident happened back in 1965. I
am 80 now.
On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Bob Wright wrote:
> But nobody ever picked up girls riding around on a propane heater!
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> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Jeff Marten wrote:
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>> Huge difference in CO emissions between a '40 Buick and a propane heater.
>>
>>> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 13:07:04 -0500
>>> From: neseirfa@gmail.com
>>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Garage Heater
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>>> Long ago I was tuning my 1940 Buick in the garage. Had the 14' door
>> sitting
>>> on a gallon can to get some air. After about 15 or 20 minutes the
> exhaust
>>> stink from that old engine was too much so I exited the garage by
> lifting
>>> the door. I was on my knees as I got out. Didn't have the mind set left
>> to
>>> just go through the man door. It doesn't take much to loose mental
>>> capabilities. I must have been close to losing it.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Dan Borlase wrote:
>>>
>>>> These are used on thousands of indoor constructions sites across
> North
>>>> America...I use one...open a window.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Garage Heater [message #267013 is a reply to message #267003] |
Tue, 02 December 2014 12:33 |
Dave Mumert
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HI Gary
Please go buy a CO detector and monitor your air quality before you try it, when you are done in the garage take the CO detector and
install it in the house.
Dave Mumert
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: [GMCnet] Garage Heater
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> Hey All;
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> I need to go into the garage and do a couple of little GMC projects.
> However, my garage is not heated as yet and it's COLD in there. I do have one of these propane heaters, but I'm a little concerned
> about the oxygen it's using and the toxic exhaust. Do any of you use these type heaters and if so, how do you vent them and
> replenish the oxygen. I usually leave the garage door open, but this really isn't the way to. Any tips???
> --
> Gary and Diana Berry
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| Re: [GMCnet] Garage Heater [message #267014 is a reply to message #267011] |
Tue, 02 December 2014 12:45 |
Ken Burton
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As one who has suffered from CO poisoning let me tell you that it takes years to get it out of your system. If you live through the CO poisoning, you do not want to go through that several year recovery. It is not fun.
Propane heaters make CO in varying amounts depending on the type and how well they are running. The best type for limited CO output is a catalytic one (no flame). A byproduct of their operation is moisture. If the exhaust is not vented to the outside you will get condensed moisture collecting on anything cold inside.
If you vent the exhaust to the outside, do not worry about incoming fresh air. Fresh air will happen automatically to replace the air that went up the chimney.
GET A CO DETECTOR. $20.00 at Menards.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Garage Heater [message #267021 is a reply to message #267003] |
Tue, 02 December 2014 16:31 |
lqqkatjon
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There are alot of different types of propane heaters out there. I would want to know exactly what you are using, and most manufactures will have ventilation requirements.
CO poisening is what you have to be careful about. that is not a joke. But trying to use a CO alarm in a garage that has any exposure to exhaust, just is too much. I have a power vented hanging natural gas heater in my garage, and when I installed it, I had bought a CO alarm, it would go off every time an engine was started with in 30 feet of it. So everytime I opened up the garage door, started my car, off the alarm would go. and not shut off easily.
Best advice I can give, is to just understand your heater, and manufacture recommendations. and be very aware of your ventilation.
or buy a vented heater:
http://www.amazon.com/Modine-HD60AS0111-Heater-Hanging-Furnace/dp/B0096MJ52C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1417559415&sr=8-3&keywords=hot+dawg+he ater
Jon Roche
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St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Garage Heater [message #267074 is a reply to message #267003] |
Wed, 03 December 2014 11:55 |
mild bill
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Oxygen depletion called Hypoxia, results in disorientation, un-clear decision making.
Catalytic heaters use more oxygen, radiant produces more carbon monoxide, unburnt hydrocarbons also a consideration.
The radiants that fit on a 20 lb bottle work pretty well. Get the garage up to temp with the propane and then maby try a 1500 watt electric or two and see if they keep the garage comfortable. A 1500 watt electric will put out about 5000 BTU and probably much more economical to operate than propane. A $20 1500 watt heater will put out the same btu's as a $100 1500 watt heater.
Just keep some fresh air coming into the garage when using propane.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Garage Heater [message #267093 is a reply to message #267074] |
Wed, 03 December 2014 15:49 |
Keith V
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I love my heated garage. Insulated the ceiling this fall and it has a Natural gas heater suspended from the ceiling, very nice.
Next step is an exhaust vent so I can run the car with the door closed.
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Garage Heater [message #267198 is a reply to message #267176] |
Fri, 05 December 2014 17:49 |
Ken Burton
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One of the things we do with gas hot water heaters and furnaces in our airplane hangars is mount them way up high. I mean sometimes 10 to 15 feet in the air. There is lots of gasoline stored in airplanes. A simple leak in one of them would ruin your day if it caught due to a water heater ignition source.
One thing that has become popular for us is natural gas radiant heaters mounted on the ceilings. The other is hot water pipes embedded in the concrete floor.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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