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| Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT [message #263402] |
Sun, 05 October 2014 08:23  |
Jim at the Co-op
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To follw up on all that, still the inverter generators are struggling to come up to a minimum standard of running 1 roof ac and a power converter. You must be able to do at least that to be a viable supply. 1 Honda eu2000 will not do it, 2 will but that sounds like a buc ket of pissed off bees! The 3000 watt and above units will not fit in the hole without hacking it up destroying themechanical integrity of the unit not to mention any warranty on it .
I have not yet given up on the Dometic 3000 watt unit but it is challenging us.
I still gotta tell ya everyone I know loves the option of the reworking the EV-6010 & 4010 water cooled units. Plenty of parts and service support and man do they run well not to mention they fit really nice in our coaches. There is an Onan that will also fit, some have gone than way.
Which ever way you go you need a minimum of 3000 watts at ac compressor startup and don't be shocked if the inverter style 3000 watt unit to big badly when they try and spool up an old style compressor. Roof ac unit. Wish I could say more than this....
Jim Bounds
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From: Thomas Phipps
Date: 10/02/2014 6:48 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT
At least one person has purchased a "run-of-the-mill" generator set, disassembled it into its major components and reassembled it into the generator
compartment. Most of the off the shelf gensets (as you see at the big box stores} are air cooled and may not be electric start.
Jim Bounds is doing some work with using the small inverter types that are made by Honda, Yamaha and others. I've even seen them at Harbor Freight.
You might read his posting on his web site about his luck. He did a slide out with 2 of the small Hondas. No idea if he is still chasing that dream.
It would be nice because their price point is low, and they are everywhere.
Honda ev6010s are readily available and parts, expensive as they are, are easily obtained. Major re-builder in Florida has them. He is where Jim
Bounds gets his for customer installations. He repaired two for me.
Tom, MS II
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| Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT [message #263454 is a reply to message #263402] |
Sun, 05 October 2014 14:22  |
Joe Weir
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Hey Jim,
What about the Boliy generators - 3600 watts with remote fuel tanks.
http://www.bottomlinetrading.com/BOLIY.html
Some of us have been told we don't have room for a Honda...
76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT [message #263455 is a reply to message #263454] |
Sun, 05 October 2014 14:26 |
Joe Weir
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whoops, 3300 watts, but still.
76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT [message #263467 is a reply to message #263402] |
Sun, 05 October 2014 15:02 |
jhbridges
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In their ad,
"it utilizes German microprocessor technology
that is superior to the transistor technology used by most other leading inverter generator manufacturers "
I will call BS on that marketing ploy. If they are playing the inverter game, they will have devices fitted which can handle heavy current in addition to whatever's used to control them.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT [message #263476 is a reply to message #263402] |
Sun, 05 October 2014 16:04 |
lqqkatjon
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I hope to test this combo next spring:
more efficient, atwood air command AC-135 model. states it is 2000 watt generator compatible. and try to run it on a honda 2000i.
http://www.atwoodmobile.com/air-conditioners/air-conditioners-brochure.asp
still trying to find someone that has tested that thing real world. Someone at GMCMI had an air command, and loved it, and claimed it kept the coach perfectly cool. However I was not able to verify what model it was, it could of been the bigger BTU version.
I did talk to the factory, and he said it will work with the honda...?
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT [message #263482 is a reply to message #263476] |
Sun, 05 October 2014 16:51 |
Joe Weir
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I think the issue is what else do you need to run at the same time. However, if the unit will run on a 2k, a 3k should give enough headroom for other stuff, no?
http://www.atwoodmobile.com/images/air-conditioners-brochure.pdf
I just wish they had one shorter than 13 inches...
76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT [message #263485 is a reply to message #263467] |
Sun, 05 October 2014 17:04 |
Joe Weir
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LOL "everyone knows the Germans make good stuff..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwRISkyV_B8
Johnny Bridges wrote on Sun, 05 October 2014 15:02In their ad,
"it utilizes German microprocessor technology
that is superior to the transistor technology used by most other leading inverter generator manufacturers "
I will call BS on that marketing ploy. If they are playing the inverter game, they will have devices fitted which can handle heavy current in addition to whatever's used to control them.
--johnny
76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT [message #263492 is a reply to message #263482] |
Sun, 05 October 2014 17:44 |
lqqkatjon
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All i need it to run is the A/c. And maybe the battery charger. I can shut off the A/c while i run my coffee pot or microwave. With my solar, i really do not need it to run anything else. I can always add a solar panel if I start running tvs. I would think that honda could handle the air and a tv, Just better keep tv off until after the air is started.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT [message #263507 is a reply to message #263402] |
Sun, 05 October 2014 20:06 |
winter
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I run a carrier 13.5k on a Honda 3000i generator. I tried a Honda 2k but it was marginal at best. The 3k can pull the ac up on Eco mode as long as the generator is warmed up. It burns about 8 hours per gallon running the ac on a 90 degree day sitting in the sun.
Jerrod Winter
1977 Palm Beach
Green Jelly Bean
Twin Cities, Minnesota
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| Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT [message #263510 is a reply to message #263507] |
Sun, 05 October 2014 20:35 |
lqqkatjon
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I have access to a honda 3000 when ever i need it. It runs my original power hog a/c unit. It is quiet, and i can refil it by an extra hose i rig to my onan fuel pump pulling from tanks. I bring it if i am not going to have power. Rather run that then onan.
But it is not that light, and has to be hauled on whatever trailer i have or a friend hauls it. I dont think it fits through door or i still dont want to have to step over it. A 2000 is a one handed lift. Takes 2 people to lift that 3000 into a truck bed safely.
I have seen some mounts for the 3000 on back of bumper. But i still like to have generator at least 20, if not 50 feet from coach.
How do you haul the 3000 honda?
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT [message #263511 is a reply to message #263402] |
Sun, 05 October 2014 20:58 |
winter
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I have it rubber isolated on a rear rack for now. I plan to surround it in a sound damping box that also fits with the GMC style in the future. My hope is that I can run it in a campground without neighbors knowing its running. Its a heavy pig but it works well.
I did find that it wants to run at about 128v. I think that is part of its load sharing system. I don't have any sensitive electronics plugged in and will think twice about it before doing so.
Jerrod Winter
1977 Palm Beach
Green Jelly Bean
Twin Cities, Minnesota
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| Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT [message #263526 is a reply to message #263402] |
Mon, 06 October 2014 00:18 |
Jim at the Co-op
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As per my generator guru, that manufacturer offers no technical support, parts availabiluty or after sale support. Coupled with the fact that it and the other brand unit I tried may look the part but just "can't hold the smoke". The real thing, Honda, Yamaha and the other actual innovators may be able to produce what we want.... they all can do it, that's not the holdup..... its all about the money and would we buy real quality over cost? China can build awesome as well as they can build crap. Its what will sell and rihht now the American market looks to be driven by price. If that's the gauge of value, they see us as shallow. I have recently seen huge commercial machines made in China we are using. I feel they could easily build us a special machine if there were a market for it.
I still think there is I Chinese ganerator that will fit our needs, I have faith,
Jim Bounds
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-------- Original message --------
From: Joe Weir
Date: 10/05/2014 12:22 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT
Hey Jim,
What about the Boliy generators - 3600 watts with remote fuel tanks.
http://www.bottomlinetrading.com/BOLIY.html
Some of us have been told we don't have room for a Honda...
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76 Birchaven - New engine, trans, aluminum radiator, brakes, airbags, fuel lines, seats, upholstery, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were
really thinking about us second hand owners...
Columbia, SC.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT [message #263540 is a reply to message #263402] |
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That's iwhy I went with the EU6500is Honda inverter, I can attest to the mechanical requirements of the factory enclosure. The unit will rough with its door open... When I got my Superstorm Sandy, surplus unit, I wass hesitant to hack up the frame and enclosure of a $4000 generator. The integral cooling fan and plenum must be maintained. I also was able to integrate the original onan remote start/stop, however the indicator light doesn't work since the polarity is opposite. The unit will surge if I keep it in Eco mode, furthermore, one rooftop will not start in Eco mode, it will dump the genny. However standard mode will start and run both rooftops with no problem. I hope to complete the secondary enclosure to alleviate the surging, and will post my final project results soon. Btw, I was able to maintain the original control panel with 120/240V outlets, all of this fits in a modified power drawer slides.
Sean and Stephanie
73 Ex-CanyonLands 26' #317 "Oliver"
Hubler 1-Ton, Quad-Bags, Rear Disc, Reaction Arms, P.Huber TBs, 3.70:1 LSD Honda 6500 inverter gen.
Colonial Travelers
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| Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT [message #263638 is a reply to message #263402] |
Mon, 06 October 2014 22:40 |
Jim at the Co-op
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There was a post today someone is selling a Honda ev-4010. If you have 1 roof ac it will work well for you. 2Honda eu-2000's sound like a bucket of pissed off bees. Yea it works but it will cost you less, last longer and offer more performance with the 4010. Have one, have installed them for years and that's from first person experience.
Jim Bounds
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From: Grant Schaffer
Date: 10/06/2014 8:13 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GENERATOR REPLACEMENT
Thanks I have made contact with Paul Wolaver, currently his stock is out. I love probably give Gary Worbeck a call and see if he has any insight on
his generac. Seems we are out of luck. I only have one AC and it works well. Maybe the two small Hondas are the key. Seems we are out of options on
our coaches. I'll keep checking back i case there is new developments
Thnaks
Grant
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