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dwayne jacobson[1]
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Has anyone sat down and figured a PER MILE expense. The reason for asking
is for those in our community who are providing a service to others by
driving short or long distances to fix something on the coach. I have a
dear friend who has put on approx. 800 miles to service another's coach and
did not charge anything for his travel nor asked for compensation nor
received compensation for it. It's great to be able to provide this but if
continued he will one day be faced with a bigger expense than just gasoline.
Gas
Oil, Oil filter
Grease
wear on the engine, tranny, final drive, bearings, brakes, tires
wear in Boggies, spindles, Bags, air system,
depreciation due to increased mileage
I am sure the list contains more
Would love your input
--
Dwayne Jacobson
77 Kingsley that is finally home and running.
White Rock BC
Cell: 604-644-8090
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Travel Expenses [message #261833 is a reply to message #261831] |
Sun, 14 September 2014 10:34  |
emerystora
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About 4 or 5 years ago GMCMI figured out that it was about $0.70 per mile and that is what we would reimburse for any contractor having to use their GMC for official business.
That is rare. We do not pay officers or reimburse them mileage for attending the conventions.
I am not sure that the amount would cover all the things that you have listed. That would probably be in excess of $1.00 per mile.
Emery Stora
On Sep 14, 2014, at 9:27 AM, dwayne jacobson wrote:
> Has anyone sat down and figured a PER MILE expense. The reason for asking
> is for those in our community who are providing a service to others by
> driving short or long distances to fix something on the coach. I have a
> dear friend who has put on approx. 800 miles to service another's coach and
> did not charge anything for his travel nor asked for compensation nor
> received compensation for it. It's great to be able to provide this but if
> continued he will one day be faced with a bigger expense than just gasoline.
>
> Gas
> Oil, Oil filter
> Grease
> wear on the engine, tranny, final drive, bearings, brakes, tires
> wear in Boggies, spindles, Bags, air system,
> depreciation due to increased mileage
>
> I am sure the list contains more
>
> Would love your input
>
> --
> Dwayne Jacobson
> 77 Kingsley that is finally home and running.
> White Rock BC
> Cell: 604-644-8090
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Travel Expenses [message #261836 is a reply to message #261831] |
Sun, 14 September 2014 10:53 |
dwayne jacobson[1]
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Thanks Emery,
I think this consideration should be kept in mind when we invite a contractor to come look at including work on our coach.
At least be up front about it and negotiate this expense so not to stop this service from happening.
I consider from my recent experience at the hands of inexperienced mechanics (with our gmc's) that having a mechanic that knows our coaches is worth much more than most have given credit for. We need this experienced service to continue.
This past week I was privileged to attend 2 on hands workshops where the gmc contractor not only transported the replacement parts, got his hands dirty but also stood in the role of instructor while the coach owner with help from other gmc'rs tackled the work. This valuable experience gave the owner knowledge and experience that will help him and possibly others in the future in keeping our coaches on the road. Hats off to Jim Hupy.
Dwayne
77 Kingsley that suffered at the hands of an unexperienced mechanic and not a young guy at that.
Sent from Samsung tabletEmery Stora wrote:About 4 or 5 years ago GMCMI figured out that it was about $0.70 per mile and that is what we would reimburse for any contractor having to use their GMC for official business.
That is rare. We do not pay officers or reimburse them mileage for attending the conventions.
I am not sure that the amount would cover all the things that you have listed. That would probably be in excess of $1.00 per mile.
Emery Stora
On Sep 14, 2014, at 9:27 AM, dwayne jacobson wrote:
> Has anyone sat down and figured a PER MILE expense. The reason for asking
> is for those in our community who are providing a service to others by
> driving short or long distances to fix something on the coach. I have a
> dear friend who has put on approx. 800 miles to service another's coach and
> did not charge anything for his travel nor asked for compensation nor
> received compensation for it. It's great to be able to provide this but if
> continued he will one day be faced with a bigger expense than just gasoline.
>
> Gas
> Oil, Oil filter
> Grease
> wear on the engine, tranny, final drive, bearings, brakes, tires
> wear in Boggies, spindles, Bags, air system,
> depreciation due to increased mileage
>
> I am sure the list contains more
>
> Would love your input
>
> --
> Dwayne Jacobson
> 77 Kingsley that is finally home and running.
> White Rock BC
> Cell: 604-644-8090
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Travel Expenses [message #261841 is a reply to message #261836] |
Sun, 14 September 2014 11:29 |
Otterwan
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Hmmmmm........mine works out to about $100/mile. Then again I've only driven it about 120 miles since I got it ;o)
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Travel Expenses [message #261852 is a reply to message #261831] |
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dwayne jacobson[1 wrote on Sun, 14 September 2014 11:27]Has anyone sat down and figured a PER MILE expense. The reason for asking is for those in our community who are providing a service to others by driving short or long distances to fix something on the coach. I have a dear friend who has put on approx. 800 miles to service another's coach and did not charge anything for his travel nor asked for compensation nor received compensation for it. It's great to be able to provide this but if continued he will one day be faced with a bigger expense than just gasoline.
Gas
Oil, Oil filter
Grease
wear on the engine, tranny, final drive, bearings, brakes, tires
wear in Boggies, spindles, Bags, air system,
depreciation due to used in my boat work.increased mileage
I am sure the list contains more
Would love your input
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Dwayne Jacobson
As many of you may have guessed, I am exactly the kind of deeb to do this. But, I had to do it for tax purposes when the coach was used for my boat work.
It is very easy to include the standard maintenance items but fuel has been a big issue as the local price doubled or more after 2009 and it is still massively unstable (+/-25%). I had to just work from what I knew from years of durability testing. Unfortunately, I do not have all those numbers in this computer.
What I do remember is billing the government for about 0.88$/mile But again, fuel is a big issue. One of the reasons I had to give up the business was that travel was just too expensive to cover and still end up with a positive cash flow.
Matt - about to stop at the Ingall's place in De Smet SD
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Travel Expenses [message #261910 is a reply to message #261831] |
Sun, 14 September 2014 21:45 |
Bob de Kruyff
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dwayne jacobson[1 wrote on Sun, 14 September 2014 09:27]Has anyone sat down and figured a PER MILE expense. The reason for asking
is for those in our community who are providing a service to others by
driving short or long distances to fix something on the coach. I have a
dear friend who has put on approx. 800 miles to service another's coach and
did not charge anything for his travel nor asked for compensation nor
received compensation for it. It's great to be able to provide this but if
continued he will one day be faced with a bigger expense than just gasoline.
Gas
Oil, Oil filter
Grease
wear on the engine, tranny, final drive, bearings, brakes, tires
wear in Boggies, spindles, Bags, air system,
depreciation due to increased mileage
I am sure the list contains more
Would love your input
--
Dwayne Jacobson
77 Kingsley that is finally home and running.
White Rock BC
Cell: 604-644-8090
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I may be missing the point here but I suspect that most people who are out there to help don't even think about what you are talking about--it's all about helping. I doubt Ken B even remotely worries about cost per mile.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Travel Expenses [message #261917 is a reply to message #261910] |
Sun, 14 September 2014 22:09 |
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Matt Colie
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Bob de Kruyff wrote on Sun, 14 September 2014 22:45dwayne jacobson[1 wrote on Sun, 14 September 2014 09:27]Has anyone sat down and figured a PER MILE expense. The reason for asking is for those in our community who are providing a service to others by driving short or long distances to fix something on the coach. I have a dear friend who has put on approx. 800 miles to service another's coach and did not charge anything for his travel nor asked for compensation nor
received compensation for it. It's great to be able to provide this but if continued he will one day be faced with a bigger expense than just gasoline.
Gas
Oil, Oil filter
Grease
wear on the engine, tranny, final drive, bearings, brakes, tires
wear in Boggies, spindles, Bags, air system,
depreciation due to increased mileage
I am sure the list contains more
Would love your input
--
Dwayne Jacobson
I may be missing the point here but I suspect that most people who are out there to help don't even think about what you are talking about--it's all about helping. I doubt Ken B even remotely worries about cost per mile.
And Ken has been know to fly parts and tools places.....
I, for one, just like to do my level best to make sure that someone that does me a favor does not end up "cash out of pocket" when doing so.
There is just no way to compensate people for the good things they do at its real value.
Just the way of watermen.
Matt - ON at Cabel's in Mitchell SD - tomorrow is The Corn Palace and the Badlands.
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Travel Expenses [message #261918 is a reply to message #261910] |
Sun, 14 September 2014 22:15 |
dwayne jacobson[1]
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Bob
What I am taking about are those who are giving a lot of their time and
expenses away helping the gmc community. However there are some that are
out there who are performing mechanical work at a very low rate but not
charging any markups or traveling expenses. He is NOT complaining about
this. His gas bill alone was over 350. I told him he should have a travel
cost added to his charge out time because the day will come when tires will
need replacing.
That is why I am asking what would it cost on average to run the coach.
From this he will decide whether he will charge mileage.
Dwayne jacobson
77 kingsley
dwayne j
On 2014-09-14 7:45 PM, "Bob de Kruyff" wrote:
> dwayne jacobson[1
>> wrote on Sun, 14 September 2014 09:27]Has anyone sat down and figured a
> PER MILE expense. The reason for asking
>> is for those in our community who are providing a service to others by
>> driving short or long distances to fix something on the coach. I have a
>> dear friend who has put on approx. 800 miles to service another's coach
> and
>> did not charge anything for his travel nor asked for compensation nor
>> received compensation for it. It's great to be able to provide this but
> if
>> continued he will one day be faced with a bigger expense than just
> gasoline.
>>
>> Gas
>> Oil, Oil filter
>> Grease
>> wear on the engine, tranny, final drive, bearings, brakes, tires
>> wear in Boggies, spindles, Bags, air system,
>> depreciation due to increased mileage
>>
>> I am sure the list contains more
>>
>> Would love your input
>>
>> --
>> Dwayne Jacobson
>> 77 Kingsley that is finally home and running.
>> White Rock BC
>> Cell: 604-644-8090
>> _______________________________________________
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> I may be missing the point here but I suspect that most people who are out
> there to help don't even think about what you are talking about--it's all
> about helping. I doubt Ken B even remotely worries about cost per mile.
> --
> Bob de Kruyff
> 78 Eleganza
> Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Travel Expenses [message #261919 is a reply to message #261910] |
Sun, 14 September 2014 22:28 |
Ken Burton
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I would not consider taking money from anyone. If I do not want to do it for free then I do not have to volunteer in the first place.
When my coach we broken down in my hanger with a radiator problem, I had another out of town commitment that I had to make. Six GMCers showed up at my hangar and fixed it for me while I was gone so I could go to the Amana rally. They were from all over. Ontario, Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and Texas/Australia that I remember. I probably forgot at least one state.
I had a call from a GMCer in Michigan last week. He said he was coming through. I said you are welcome to stay overnight at my hangar. He said I already have your hanger in my GPS. When I asked why he said it was there from the time everyone was fixing my GMC. He never actually stopped himself because he felt there were already too many people there. So there is a seventh person that thought about helping.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Travel Expenses [message #261920 is a reply to message #261918] |
Sun, 14 September 2014 22:28 |
dwayne jacobson[1]
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I just heard
They traveled over 1200 miles. 800 cost for gas.
I know this individual as well as others who give a lot.
My belief is to help those in need at my expense. However for those who are
well off should at least cover expenses.
Lets not go off on this thread any kore than calculating cost per mile to
operate.
Dwayne
dwayne j
On 2014-09-14 8:15 PM, "dwayne jacobson" wrote:
> Bob
>
> What I am taking about are those who are giving a lot of their time and
> expenses away helping the gmc community. However there are some that are
> out there who are performing mechanical work at a very low rate but not
> charging any markups or traveling expenses. He is NOT complaining about
> this. His gas bill alone was over 350. I told him he should have a travel
> cost added to his charge out time because the day will come when tires will
> need replacing.
> That is why I am asking what would it cost on average to run the coach.
> From this he will decide whether he will charge mileage.
>
> Dwayne jacobson
> 77 kingsley
>
> dwayne j
> On 2014-09-14 7:45 PM, "Bob de Kruyff" wrote:
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>> dwayne jacobson[1
>>> wrote on Sun, 14 September 2014 09:27]Has anyone sat down and figured a
>> PER MILE expense. The reason for asking
>>> is for those in our community who are providing a service to others by
>>> driving short or long distances to fix something on the coach. I have a
>>> dear friend who has put on approx. 800 miles to service another's coach
>> and
>>> did not charge anything for his travel nor asked for compensation nor
>>> received compensation for it. It's great to be able to provide this
>> but if
>>> continued he will one day be faced with a bigger expense than just
>> gasoline.
>>>
>>> Gas
>>> Oil, Oil filter
>>> Grease
>>> wear on the engine, tranny, final drive, bearings, brakes, tires
>>> wear in Boggies, spindles, Bags, air system,
>>> depreciation due to increased mileage
>>>
>>> I am sure the list contains more
>>>
>>> Would love your input
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dwayne Jacobson
>>> 77 Kingsley that is finally home and running.
>>> White Rock BC
>>> Cell: 604-644-8090
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>>
>> I may be missing the point here but I suspect that most people who are
>> out there to help don't even think about what you are talking about--it's
>> all
>> about helping. I doubt Ken B even remotely worries about cost per mile.
>> --
>> Bob de Kruyff
>> 78 Eleganza
>> Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Travel Expenses [message #261921 is a reply to message #261831] |
Sun, 14 September 2014 22:56 |
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I guess I'm missing something. Why would you assume if someone is coming to help you that they would travel in their GMC? Wouldn't the pickup truck be a more practical way to transport the tools and maybe jack necessary to help someone?
Randy
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Travel Expenses [message #261940 is a reply to message #261937] |
Mon, 15 September 2014 08:29 |
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Wish Bob and I were with you and Mary, Matt. You should have some nice,
cool weather in that beautiful area. Enjoy! I know you're eating well.
Sandra Price
On Sep 15, 2014 8:21 AM, "Matt Colie" wrote:
> Luvn737s wrote on Sun, 14 September 2014 23:56
>> I guess I'm missing something. Why would you assume if someone is coming
> to help you that they would travel in their GMC? Wouldn't the pickup
>> truck be a more practical way to transport the tools and maybe jack
> necessary to help someone?
>
> Randy,
>
> Those that come to assist may not come by coach, but in case Ken's a
> number those assisting had diverted from their track to the rally. Some of
> them
> a goodly distance. When I was stopped by a dead starter, a GMCer drove
> about a hundred miles. after he took one off a parts coach. He wouldn't
> even
> take gas money, but I did get him a replacement.
>
> Matt - The day starts at The Corn Palace and will end somewhere west of
> Wall Drug.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Travel Expenses [message #261994 is a reply to message #261940] |
Mon, 15 September 2014 20:05 |
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""Wish Bob and I were with you and Mary, Matt. You should have some nice,
cool weather in that beautiful area. Enjoy! I know you're eating well.
Sandra Price""
I would enjoy that 
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Travel Expenses [message #262300 is a reply to message #262293] |
Fri, 19 September 2014 07:29 |
Jim at the Co-op
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Interesting question and yea one that probably in our community should be
figured by the receiver because most of the folks offering to help would
not bring it up. I think it is a fair thing for the person getting the
attention should do. I have found over the years of messing with these
that if I were looking to make the most $ from the energy I am expending I
should not have considered doing what I am--- but that's mainly because I
chose to want to do more than do this for the $. the bucks still make it
possible to do more so yea, I guess it does need to be considered. Emery's
$1 figure may be close but being such an easy number to work with, you can
ask the guy how far he drove while he's working-- double it and just slip
the $ into his tool box or something.
If you set it up on an invoice and all that things would get "crunchy" as
my son puts it and that's just not what we're here for. And yes, someone
willing to do that WITH the expertise to pull it off is worth way more than
that! You will agree with this is you have been out there on the black top
with a problem looking for someone to help. When the tow driver says there
will be an extra charge for removing the drive shaft-- you take a long
though and can usually picture yourself sliding down a ramp into an abyss
in a handbasket..... It should be one major reason for having one of these
things-- the support group we enjoy.
Heck, my wife came to the rescue once for me-- having a carb filter in her
purse after her hearing me tell folks to always keep an extra carb filter
in their coach. I got out there in her coach and didn't bring one--- she
saved that rally! Everytime someone helps another in the community is
reflects well on us all. I DID have to be nice to Janies all weekend after
that help but hey, supposed to do that too!
Don't know if writing a policy is needed but a buck a mile sounds good,
will make a little difference in the workers light wallet AND shows that we
all care for eachother.
Thanks for asking the question,
Jim Bounds
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On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 6:29 PM, wrote:
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> Hmmm, Matt, seein' as how we're on the road rather than the river (or
> other water), would that qualify the GMC folk as Highwaymen? snicker,
> snicker.
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> RonC
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> On Sun, 14 Sep 2014 21:09:57 -0600 Matt Colie
> writes:
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>> There is just no way to compensate people for the good things they
>> do at its real value.
>> Just the way of watermen.
>>
>> Matt - ON at Cabel's in Mitchell SD - tomorrow is The Corn Palace
>> and the Badlands.
>> --
>> Matt & Mary Colie - Members GMCMI, GMCES
>>
> Ron & Linda Clark
> 1978 Eleganza II
> North Plains, ORYGUN
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Travel Expenses [message #262303 is a reply to message #261831] |
Fri, 19 September 2014 07:55 |
jhbridges
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When I got out on call, I bill at a dollar a one-way mile (MapQuest distance). This comes out to just about the IRS mileage rate which fluctuates around 50 cents or so per mile driven. I give the client the option of my hourly rate door - to - door. The mileage is substantially cheaper.
Helping a GMCer is a favor to a friend, no money involved. S/he can buy the beer when we're done if s/he likes but there's no commitment to do so. 'Pay it forward'.
--johnny
76 23' transmode norris
Braselton GA
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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