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USAussie
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G'day,
I was up at Chuck Boyd's place the week before last gutting my parts Avion. When it was all stripped it looked like The Blue Streak
in Australia.
I noticed what a crappy job the factory had done with the spray insulation which was the same as The Blue Streak and a light bulb
came on:
"I wonder if I can strip the insulation using a high pressure water washer and if yes would it be easier / quicker than using
mechanical means to cut and pry it off in pieces."
Here's the answer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KKJ6Ksqlzw
I as you can see it's really quick. John Sharpe and I tried to take another video of me removing the rest of the foam but we'll
never make it in Hollywood as it didn't work.
Suffice it to say that it took less than 5 minutes to remove the rest of the foam from the door. The nozzle shoots out a straight
single stream at extremely high pressure and rotates. I tried a nozzle that had a flat spray at the point where the foam is attached
to the metal but it wouldn't work. The rotating nozzle kinda chops it up as it rotates. The HP washer puts out 2800psi.
Obviously this method can only be used on a gutted coach and would have to be done during the summer so that the water in the GMC
could drain out through the door.
I will be using this method to strip all the foam out of The Blue Streak so stay tuned for the sequel!
This method will make removing the foam so the body can be sold for scrap metal a piece of cake. One word of caution, when I was
done with that small patch I was covered with bits of foam so I would recommend wearing goggles, and a mask when removing the foam
with this method as who knows what's in that foam after 40 years!
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
PS - YES I realize I'll have to be careful around wires, components, on the "plastic" front and rear cap. YES I realize the same
goes for the fiberglass below the beltline. YES I realize that I'll have to cover the dash board and anything else I don't want
soaked.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #260977 is a reply to message #260968] |
Fri, 05 September 2014 11:57  |
Ken Henderson
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Rob,
I don't envy you the job of doing the entire interior! IF I had to do
another coach, I'd take the easy way out, like John Beaver did: Have the
insulation sprayer also do the trimming & clean-up. Which reminds me, I
need to ask him and report the cost of that job.
Mostly, I'm writing to plug that "rotating nozzle" to those who've never
used a "Turbo-Nozzle" as mine is known. 8-10 years ago I bought one from
Northern Tool and would absolutely not use a pressure washer without one.
The spray from that is at least 4-5 times as effective as without it.
Yesterday I wanted to do some concrete washing and found that my turbo
nozzle didn't do its thing, so I disassembled it for the first time in all
those years. I was amazed at the simplicity and elegance of the design:
There's a little plastic shuttle inside. That shuttle contains 3/16"
plastic, possibly teflon, piece with 7 each 0.020" or so axial holes which
feed a single ceramic nozzle with a hole of about 0.031" at the other end.
The outside of the shuttle has an O-ring which serves as a wheel for the
shuttle to rotate inside the brass main housing. The water inlet, which
unscrews from the main housing, diverts the water 90* through a passage
which is radially offset. The water exiting that passage is directed
around the inside of the housing, with the only way out being through the
shuttle's holes, some through two slots in the sides of the shuttle, the
rest through first the 6, then all through the single ceramic one. To
encourage the water to change direction from circumferential to axial,
there's a small cone in the center of the inlet end of the housing.
So, the swirling 2500+ psi water, now directed into the shuttle, causes
that to spin. Being loose in the housing, and with only the single rubber
tire to run on, the shuttle wobbles side-to-side, causing the single outlet
nozzle to rotate in a ceramic guide inside the outlet end of the main
housing. The rotating and wobbling forms a cone of water, which is easily
seen in the cleaning pattern. Since the area of the outlet nozzle is only
a small fraction of that of the inlet hose, the velocity of the exiting
water is far higher than that coming in. Add the spinning action, and a
VERY effective spray results.
If you haven't tried a Turbo Nozzle, you're really missing a good tool.
Ken H.
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Rob Mueller
wrote:
> G'day,
> ...
>
> "I wonder if I can strip the insulation using a high pressure water washer
> and if yes would it be easier / quicker than using
> mechanical means to cut and pry it off in pieces."
>
> Here's the answer:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KKJ6Ksqlzw
>
> ...
> The nozzle shoots out a straight
> single stream at extremely high pressure and rotates. I tried a nozzle
> that had a flat spray at the point where the foam is attached
> to the metal but it wouldn't work. The rotating nozzle kinda chops it up
> as it rotates. The HP washer puts out 2800psi.
> ...
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #260995 is a reply to message #260977] |
Fri, 05 September 2014 14:05 |
Mr ERFisher
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What would you gai by the replacement ?
It is like MPG, you will never see any improvement....
Erf
On Friday, September 5, 2014, Ken Henderson wrote:
> Rob,
>
> I don't envy you the job of doing the entire interior! IF I had to do
> another coach, I'd take the easy way out, like John Beaver did: Have the
> insulation sprayer also do the trimming & clean-up. Which reminds me, I
> need to ask him and report the cost of that job.
>
> Mostly, I'm writing to plug that "rotating nozzle" to those who've never
> used a "Turbo-Nozzle" as mine is known. 8-10 years ago I bought one from
> Northern Tool and would absolutely not use a pressure washer without one.
> The spray from that is at least 4-5 times as effective as without it.
>
> Yesterday I wanted to do some concrete washing and found that my turbo
> nozzle didn't do its thing, so I disassembled it for the first time in all
> those years. I was amazed at the simplicity and elegance of the design:
> There's a little plastic shuttle inside. That shuttle contains 3/16"
> plastic, possibly teflon, piece with 7 each 0.020" or so axial holes which
> feed a single ceramic nozzle with a hole of about 0.031" at the other end.
> The outside of the shuttle has an O-ring which serves as a wheel for the
> shuttle to rotate inside the brass main housing. The water inlet, which
> unscrews from the main housing, diverts the water 90* through a passage
> which is radially offset. The water exiting that passage is directed
> around the inside of the housing, with the only way out being through the
> shuttle's holes, some through two slots in the sides of the shuttle, the
> rest through first the 6, then all through the single ceramic one. To
> encourage the water to change direction from circumferential to axial,
> there's a small cone in the center of the inlet end of the housing.
>
> So, the swirling 2500+ psi water, now directed into the shuttle, causes
> that to spin. Being loose in the housing, and with only the single rubber
> tire to run on, the shuttle wobbles side-to-side, causing the single outlet
> nozzle to rotate in a ceramic guide inside the outlet end of the main
> housing. The rotating and wobbling forms a cone of water, which is easily
> seen in the cleaning pattern. Since the area of the outlet nozzle is only
> a small fraction of that of the inlet hose, the velocity of the exiting
> water is far higher than that coming in. Add the spinning action, and a
> VERY effective spray results.
>
> If you haven't tried a Turbo Nozzle, you're really missing a good tool.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Rob Mueller >
> wrote:
>
>> G'day,
>> ...
>>
>> "I wonder if I can strip the insulation using a high pressure water
> washer
>> and if yes would it be easier / quicker than using
>> mechanical means to cut and pry it off in pieces."
>>
>> Here's the answer:
>>
>> GMC Insulating Foam Removal
>
>>
>> ...
>> The nozzle shoots out a straight
>> single stream at extremely high pressure and rotates. I tried a nozzle
>> that had a flat spray at the point where the foam is attached
>> to the metal but it wouldn't work. The rotating nozzle kinda chops it up
>> as it rotates. The HP washer puts out 2800psi.
>> ...
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #261001 is a reply to message #260995] |
Fri, 05 September 2014 15:24 |
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USAussie
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Gene,
There was a GMC at the Coos Bay Rally owned by Gene & Diana Ewankiw from British Columbia. They had a rear wheel bearing fail and in
typical GMC fashion a team of people help them replace it. It was a big job because the spindle got damaged.
This was not the first time I had seen their coach. It was at the Santa Rosa GMCMI Convention as well. At the convention they had a
book detailing the seven year restoration they had done. They began the restoration by stripping all the insulation out of the
interior and replacing it with the blue spray in foam that is used in Canada in houses. They told me that it made a world of
difference with interior temps during both the summer and winter.
Sorry, I think I'll take THEIR word for it. :>)
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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From: gene Fisher
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 2:05 PM
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What would you gai by the replacement ?
It is like MPG, you will never see any improvement....
Erf
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #261004 is a reply to message #260977] |
Fri, 05 September 2014 15:34 |
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USAussie
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Ken,
Remember I also have the crazy idea of pop riveting aluminum to the inside of the ceiling and filling the gap with the foam creating
a honey comb roof.
I agree with you about the Turbo Nozzle and I would want to caution people about it's use because essentially you're cleaning with a
small powerful (2800 psi) jet.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Henderson
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 11:58 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal
Rob,
I don't envy you the job of doing the entire interior! IF I had to do
another coach, I'd take the easy way out, like John Beaver did: Have the
insulation sprayer also do the trimming & clean-up. Which reminds me, I
need to ask him and report the cost of that job.
Mostly, I'm writing to plug that "rotating nozzle" to those who've never
used a "Turbo-Nozzle" as mine is known. 8-10 years ago I bought one from
Northern Tool and would absolutely not use a pressure washer without one.
The spray from that is at least 4-5 times as effective as without it.
Yesterday I wanted to do some concrete washing and found that my turbo
nozzle didn't do its thing, so I disassembled it for the first time in all
those years. I was amazed at the simplicity and elegance of the design:
There's a little plastic shuttle inside. That shuttle contains 3/16"
plastic, possibly teflon, piece with 7 each 0.020" or so axial holes which
feed a single ceramic nozzle with a hole of about 0.031" at the other end.
The outside of the shuttle has an O-ring which serves as a wheel for the
shuttle to rotate inside the brass main housing. The water inlet, which
unscrews from the main housing, diverts the water 90* through a passage
which is radially offset. The water exiting that passage is directed
around the inside of the housing, with the only way out being through the
shuttle's holes, some through two slots in the sides of the shuttle, the
rest through first the 6, then all through the single ceramic one. To
encourage the water to change direction from circumferential to axial,
there's a small cone in the center of the inlet end of the housing.
So, the swirling 2500+ psi water, now directed into the shuttle, causes
that to spin. Being loose in the housing, and with only the single rubber
tire to run on, the shuttle wobbles side-to-side, causing the single outlet
nozzle to rotate in a ceramic guide inside the outlet end of the main
housing. The rotating and wobbling forms a cone of water, which is easily
seen in the cleaning pattern. Since the area of the outlet nozzle is only
a small fraction of that of the inlet hose, the velocity of the exiting
water is far higher than that coming in. Add the spinning action, and a
VERY effective spray results.
If you haven't tried a Turbo Nozzle, you're really missing a good tool.
Ken H.
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'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #261007 is a reply to message #260968] |
Fri, 05 September 2014 15:58 |
midlf
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That sure does a better job than my trapped racoon did in the transmode.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #261012 is a reply to message #260968] |
Fri, 05 September 2014 16:25 |
kerry pinkerton
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Aaah, I'd be careful with a pressure washer on the aluminum panels. You're putting a lot of PSI into an aluminum panel and it would not take much to stretch it. Sandblasters do it all the time, primarily because of the heat generated but metal acts just like pizza dough under pressure, it stretches. I haven't TRIED to verify it can stretch the metal but I suspect it can. Certainly avoid DIRECT 90 degree spraying.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #261018 is a reply to message #261004] |
Fri, 05 September 2014 17:36 |
Joe Weir
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USAussie wrote on Fri, 05 September 2014 15:34Ken,
Remember I also have the crazy idea of pop riveting aluminum to the inside of the ceiling and filling the gap with the foam creating
a honey comb roof...
I kind of like that idea...Not that I would have the resources to try.
76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #261023 is a reply to message #261012] |
Fri, 05 September 2014 18:52 |
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USAussie
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Kerry,
I finished that panel in the door with the turbo nozzle at 90° and it did not effect the aluminum at all. I agree that 2800 psi is a
lot, however, keep in mind that the jet stream is small. Also if you look at the GMC frame the aluminum is epoxyed to it and the
area of "free panel" is not very large.
Actually I am FAR more concerned with damaging the fiberglass below the beltline or the SEM front and rear panels. I have used a
turbo nozzle a lot before and if you're not careful you can erode the cement out around stones in concrete!
If you notice the video started with a section of foam removed; that was me "experimental" area. I started about 8 inches away and
slowly brought the nozzle closer until it began chopping up the foam and "blasting" it off. I'll do the same with the fiberglass and
SEM.
Also I think I'll get a couple of the suits that asbestos removal workers wear along with a good pair of goggles and breathing mask
like automotive painters use.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Pinkerton
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 4:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal
Aaah, I'd be careful with a pressure washer on the aluminum panels. You're putting a lot of PSI into an aluminum panel and it would
not take much to
stretch it. Sandblasters do it all the time, primarily because of the heat generated but metal acts just like pizza dough under
pressure, it
stretches. I haven't TRIED to verify it can stretch the metal but I suspect it can. Certainly avoid DIRECT 90 degree spraying.
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North Alabama, near Huntsville,
77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny also a 76 Eleganza to be re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #261029 is a reply to message #261023] |
Fri, 05 September 2014 20:24 |
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Dare I ask how you clean up the 50 million scattered bits of of
insulation? Perhaps not!
Mike in NS
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> Kerry,
>
> I finished that panel in the door with the turbo nozzle at 90° and it did
> not effect the aluminum at all. I agree that 2800 psi is a
> lot, however, keep in mind that the jet stream is small. Also if you look
> at the GMC frame the aluminum is epoxyed to it and the
> area of "free panel" is not very large.
>
> Actually I am FAR more concerned with damaging the fiberglass below the
> beltline or the SEM front and rear panels. I have used a
> turbo nozzle a lot before and if you're not careful you can erode the
> cement out around stones in concrete!
>
> If you notice the video started with a section of foam removed; that was
> me "experimental" area. I started about 8 inches away and
> slowly brought the nozzle closer until it began chopping up the foam and
> "blasting" it off. I'll do the same with the fiberglass and
> SEM.
>
> Also I think I'll get a couple of the suits that asbestos removal workers
> wear along with a good pair of goggles and breathing mask
> like automotive painters use.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> USAussie - Downunder
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:
> gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Pinkerton
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 4:25 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal
>
> Aaah, I'd be careful with a pressure washer on the aluminum panels.
> You're putting a lot of PSI into an aluminum panel and it would
> not take much to
> stretch it. Sandblasters do it all the time, primarily because of the
> heat generated but metal acts just like pizza dough under
> pressure, it
> stretches. I haven't TRIED to verify it can stretch the metal but I
> suspect it can. Certainly avoid DIRECT 90 degree spraying.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>
> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny also a 76
> Eleganza to be re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #261030 is a reply to message #261029] |
Fri, 05 September 2014 21:27 |
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Goats??
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
> On Sep 5, 2014, at 9:24 PM, Kingsley Coach wrote:
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> Dare I ask how you clean up the 50 million scattered bits of of
> insulation? Perhaps not!
>
> Mike in NS
>
>
>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
>>
>> Kerry,
>>
>> I finished that panel in the door with the turbo nozzle at 90° and it did
>> not effect the aluminum at all. I agree that 2800 psi is a
>> lot, however, keep in mind that the jet stream is small. Also if you look
>> at the GMC frame the aluminum is epoxyed to it and the
>> area of "free panel" is not very large.
>>
>> Actually I am FAR more concerned with damaging the fiberglass below the
>> beltline or the SEM front and rear panels. I have used a
>> turbo nozzle a lot before and if you're not careful you can erode the
>> cement out around stones in concrete!
>>
>> If you notice the video started with a section of foam removed; that was
>> me "experimental" area. I started about 8 inches away and
>> slowly brought the nozzle closer until it began chopping up the foam and
>> "blasting" it off. I'll do the same with the fiberglass and
>> SEM.
>>
>> Also I think I'll get a couple of the suits that asbestos removal workers
>> wear along with a good pair of goggles and breathing mask
>> like automotive painters use.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>> USAussie - Downunder
>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:
>> gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Pinkerton
>> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 4:25 PM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal
>>
>> Aaah, I'd be careful with a pressure washer on the aluminum panels.
>> You're putting a lot of PSI into an aluminum panel and it would
>> not take much to
>> stretch it. Sandblasters do it all the time, primarily because of the
>> heat generated but metal acts just like pizza dough under
>> pressure, it
>> stretches. I haven't TRIED to verify it can stretch the metal but I
>> suspect it can. Certainly avoid DIRECT 90 degree spraying.
>> --
>> Kerry Pinkerton
>>
>> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>>
>> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny also a 76
>> Eleganza to be re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> --
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> 1977 Kingsley 26-11
> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #261033 is a reply to message #261023] |
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I could be and likely am wrong but isn't the gauge of aluminum on the door heavier than the walls? And the door has more closely spaced studs with bonding surfaces. Maybe try the removal on the parts coach first?
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle.
> On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:52 PM, "Rob Mueller" wrote:
>
> Kerry,
>
> I finished that panel in the door with the turbo nozzle at 90° and it did not effect the aluminum at all. I agree that 2800 psi is a
> lot, however, keep in mind that the jet stream is small. Also if you look at the GMC frame the aluminum is epoxyed to it and the
> area of "free panel" is not very large.
>
> Actually I am FAR more concerned with damaging the fiberglass below the beltline or the SEM front and rear panels. I have used a
> turbo nozzle a lot before and if you're not careful you can erode the cement out around stones in concrete!
>
> If you notice the video started with a section of foam removed; that was me "experimental" area. I started about 8 inches away and
> slowly brought the nozzle closer until it began chopping up the foam and "blasting" it off. I'll do the same with the fiberglass and
> SEM.
>
> Also I think I'll get a couple of the suits that asbestos removal workers wear along with a good pair of goggles and breathing mask
> like automotive painters use.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> USAussie - Downunder
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Pinkerton
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 4:25 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal
>
> Aaah, I'd be careful with a pressure washer on the aluminum panels. You're putting a lot of PSI into an aluminum panel and it would
> not take much to
> stretch it. Sandblasters do it all the time, primarily because of the heat generated but metal acts just like pizza dough under
> pressure, it
> stretches. I haven't TRIED to verify it can stretch the metal but I suspect it can. Certainly avoid DIRECT 90 degree spraying.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #261036 is a reply to message #261033] |
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Todd,
When I left the USA to retire in Australia in 2002 one of the tools I brought with me was a Karcher 2400 psi gas powered pressure
washer. It came with one of the turbo nozzles. I have used it MANY times over the past 12 years and as noted below you can blast the
cement out between stones in concrete. THAT lesson was learned early on and subsequent to that I've NEVER damaged anything else.
I reiterate; I am more concerned with damaging the fiberglass below the beltline and the SEM front and rear caps.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Sullivan
I could be and likely am wrong but isn't the gauge of aluminum on the door heavier than the walls? And the door has more closely
spaced studs with bonding surfaces. Maybe try the removal on the parts coach first?
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle.
> On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:52 PM, "Rob Mueller" wrote:
>
> Kerry,
>
> I finished that panel in the door with the turbo nozzle at 90° and it did not effect the aluminum at all. I agree that 2800 psi is
a
> lot, however, keep in mind that the jet stream is small. Also if you look at the GMC frame the aluminum is epoxyed to it and the
> area of "free panel" is not very large.
>
> Actually I am FAR more concerned with damaging the fiberglass below the beltline or the SEM front and rear panels. I have used a
> turbo nozzle a lot before and if you're not careful you can erode the cement out around stones in concrete!
>
> If you notice the video started with a section of foam removed; that was me "experimental" area. I started about 8 inches away and
> slowly brought the nozzle closer until it began chopping up the foam and "blasting" it off. I'll do the same with the fiberglass
and
> SEM.
>
> Also I think I'll get a couple of the suits that asbestos removal workers wear along with a good pair of goggles and breathing
mask
> like automotive painters use.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> USAussie - Downunder
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Pinkerton
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 4:25 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal
>
> Aaah, I'd be careful with a pressure washer on the aluminum panels. You're putting a lot of PSI into an aluminum panel and it
would
> not take much to stretch it. Sandblasters do it all the time, primarily because of the heat generated but metal acts just like
pizza dough under pressure, it stretches. I haven't TRIED to verify it can stretch the metal but I suspect it can. Certainly avoid
DIRECT 90 degree spraying.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny also a 76 Eleganza to be re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #261039 is a reply to message #261029] |
Fri, 05 September 2014 22:32 |
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Mike,
Today I took a leaf rake and piled up the foam bits and bagged them up in a small bedroom sized garbage bag. It was a PITA! The
problem was that the door was resting on the ground. Had I taken a moment and put down some plastic I could have swept it up easily.
When I do The Blue Streak it will be on a nice HOT summer day with the GMC parked out front of my workshop on concrete. I will put a
large plastic box just under the door so anything that washes out while I'm blasting will get caught. I do not anticipate doing the
entire interior in on shot I'll remove an area, stop, clean it up, then start again. The volume of removed foam will have to be
bagged and disposed of; probably at the tip.
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Kingsley Coach
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 8:24 PM
To: Gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal
Dare I ask how you clean up the 50 million scattered bits of of
insulation? Perhaps not!
Mike in NS
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #261050 is a reply to message #261047] |
Sat, 06 September 2014 06:01 |
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Rob
I think Todd may have solved the problem.
When I was a kid out on fishing boats and trash was created, it was thrown
overboard. I once asked where it went.
The response was, "away". In those days I really don't think anyone ever
thought about it. So for simplicity, I'd be tempted to go with Peter's
solution.
Mike in NS
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 6:13 AM, Peter Bailey
wrote:
> Rob,
> Where I am I could blast out the foam and then let the wind take care of
> the foam, eventually it would be gone albeit probably share it with other
> people in the area.
> Peter Bailey
> from Ozy (Aussie)
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #261051 is a reply to message #261050] |
Sat, 06 September 2014 06:25 |
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Mike,
> [..]
> I think Todd may have solved the problem.
>
> When I was a kid out on fishing boats and trash was created, it was thrown
> overboard. I once asked where it went.
> The response was, "away". In those days I really don't think anyone ever
> thought about it. So for simplicity, I'd be tempted to go with Peter's
> solution.
>
I don't
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #261053 is a reply to message #261036] |
Sat, 06 September 2014 06:55 |
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I think the SMC panels will hold up fine but if the adhesion of the oem paint to the smc ion your coach is similar to the paint on The Pig you might end up with bare white areas if you use it on the outside.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
> On Sep 5, 2014, at 11:23 PM, "Rob Mueller" wrote:
>
> Todd,
>
> When I left the USA to retire in Australia in 2002 one of the tools I brought with me was a Karcher 2400 psi gas powered pressure
> washer. It came with one of the turbo nozzles. I have used it MANY times over the past 12 years and as noted below you can blast the
> cement out between stones in concrete. THAT lesson was learned early on and subsequent to that I've NEVER damaged anything else.
>
> I reiterate; I am more concerned with damaging the fiberglass below the beltline and the SEM front and rear caps.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> USAussie - Downunder
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Sullivan
>
> I could be and likely am wrong but isn't the gauge of aluminum on the door heavier than the walls? And the door has more closely
> spaced studs with bonding surfaces. Maybe try the removal on the parts coach first?
>
> Todd Sullivan
>
> Sully
> 77 royale
> Seattle.
>
>> On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:52 PM, "Rob Mueller" wrote:
>>
>> Kerry,
>>
>> I finished that panel in the door with the turbo nozzle at 90° and it did not effect the aluminum at all. I agree that 2800 psi is
> a
>> lot, however, keep in mind that the jet stream is small. Also if you look at the GMC frame the aluminum is epoxyed to it and the
>> area of "free panel" is not very large.
>>
>> Actually I am FAR more concerned with damaging the fiberglass below the beltline or the SEM front and rear panels. I have used a
>> turbo nozzle a lot before and if you're not careful you can erode the cement out around stones in concrete!
>>
>> If you notice the video started with a section of foam removed; that was me "experimental" area. I started about 8 inches away and
>> slowly brought the nozzle closer until it began chopping up the foam and "blasting" it off. I'll do the same with the fiberglass
> and
>> SEM.
>>
>> Also I think I'll get a couple of the suits that asbestos removal workers wear along with a good pair of goggles and breathing
> mask
>> like automotive painters use.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>> USAussie - Downunder
>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Pinkerton
>> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 4:25 PM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal
>>
>> Aaah, I'd be careful with a pressure washer on the aluminum panels. You're putting a lot of PSI into an aluminum panel and it
> would
>> not take much to stretch it. Sandblasters do it all the time, primarily because of the heat generated but metal acts just like
> pizza dough under pressure, it stretches. I haven't TRIED to verify it can stretch the metal but I suspect it can. Certainly avoid
> DIRECT 90 degree spraying.
>> --
>> Kerry Pinkerton
>> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny also a 76 Eleganza to be re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal [message #261056 is a reply to message #261053] |
Sat, 06 September 2014 09:09 |
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Todd,
Funny you should mention this, when I was done I turned the door around and used the nozzle to blast the stripes off the door and it
worked OK, NOT as fast as the foam inside but it took them off. It did not APPEAR to hurt the paint ON THE ALUMINUM. Obviously I
have NO idea what it would do to the paint on the SMC (where the hell did I get SEM?).
Keep in mind that this is an AVION and I have NO idea if the stripes on a GMC or any other aftermarket coach are the same material
and applied the same way. If you intend to try this method BE CAREFUL!!!!!! If you screw up your paint job DON'T BLAME ME! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 6:55 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal
I think the SMC panels will hold up fine but if the adhesion of the oem paint to the smc ion your coach is similar to the paint on
The Pig you might end up with bare white areas if you use it on the outside.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
> On Sep 5, 2014, at 11:23 PM, "Rob Mueller" wrote:
>
> Todd,
>
> When I left the USA to retire in Australia in 2002 one of the tools I brought with me was a Karcher 2400 psi gas powered pressure
> washer. It came with one of the turbo nozzles. I have used it MANY times over the past 12 years and as noted below you can blast
the
> cement out between stones in concrete. THAT lesson was learned early on and subsequent to that I've NEVER damaged anything else.
>
> I reiterate; I am more concerned with damaging the fiberglass below the beltline and the SEM front and rear caps.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> USAussie - Downunder
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Sullivan
>
> I could be and likely am wrong but isn't the gauge of aluminum on the door heavier than the walls? And the door has more closely
> spaced studs with bonding surfaces. Maybe try the removal on the parts coach first?
>
> Todd Sullivan
>
> Sully
> 77 royale
> Seattle.
>
>> On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:52 PM, "Rob Mueller" wrote:
>>
>> Kerry,
>>
>> I finished that panel in the door with the turbo nozzle at 90° and it did not effect the aluminum at all. I agree that 2800 psi
is
> a
>> lot, however, keep in mind that the jet stream is small. Also if you look at the GMC frame the aluminum is epoxyed to it and the
>> area of "free panel" is not very large.
>>
>> Actually I am FAR more concerned with damaging the fiberglass below the beltline or the SEM front and rear panels. I have used a
>> turbo nozzle a lot before and if you're not careful you can erode the cement out around stones in concrete!
>>
>> If you notice the video started with a section of foam removed; that was me "experimental" area. I started about 8 inches away
and
>> slowly brought the nozzle closer until it began chopping up the foam and "blasting" it off. I'll do the same with the fiberglass
> and
>> SEM.
>>
>> Also I think I'll get a couple of the suits that asbestos removal workers wear along with a good pair of goggles and breathing
> mask
>> like automotive painters use.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob M.
>> The Pedantic Mechanic
>> USAussie - Downunder
>> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Pinkerton
>> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 4:25 PM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC Foam Insulation Removal
>>
>> Aaah, I'd be careful with a pressure washer on the aluminum panels. You're putting a lot of PSI into an aluminum panel and it
> would
>> not take much to stretch it. Sandblasters do it all the time, primarily because of the heat generated but metal acts just like
> pizza dough under pressure, it stretches. I haven't TRIED to verify it can stretch the metal but I suspect it can. Certainly
avoid
> DIRECT 90 degree spraying.
>> --
>> Kerry Pinkerton
>> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny also a 76 Eleganza to be re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
>
>
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Peer,
I am sure Peter, Todd, and Mike are "havin' you on, Mate!
Or
Die drei machen Spaß!
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
-----Original Message-----
From: Peer Oliver Schmidt GMC
Mike,
> [..]
> I think Todd may have solved the problem.
>
> When I was a kid out on fishing boats and trash was created, it was thrown
> overboard. I once asked where it went.
> The response was, "away". In those days I really don't think anyone ever
> thought about it. So for simplicity, I'd be tempted to go with Peter's
> solution.
>
I don't
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch
--
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