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Wed, 03 September 2014 09:45  |
lqqkatjon
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OK, sometimes a simple fix, ends up being a bit more complicated.
I decided the rubber hose that goes from a fitting on the floor of my propane tank compartment, up to the regulator, should be replaced. it shows signs of age.
so I took the hose off, brought it to my local gas service company... first guy told me to go try RV place... so I went over there, and they sent me back.
they tried special ordering it, and are now telling me their hose guys (they tried two) who make hoses up, cannot replicate that hose. Particular problem seems to be the female flare fitting that goes to the fitting that is mounted to the floor of the compartment, I believe they are telling me, it is a 5/8" female flare. and they cannot get to a 1/2 NPT that would go to the regulator.
I have a 75 palm beach. and my propane compartment hose is the same as what is in this picture:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/storage-ideas/p1956.html
are they missing something here?
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: Propane hose from floor to regulator [message #260817 is a reply to message #260802] |
Wed, 03 September 2014 11:35  |
Keith V
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lqqkatjon wrote on Wed, 03 September 2014 09:45OK, sometimes a simple fix, ends up being a bit more complicated.
I decided the rubber hose that goes from a fitting on the floor of my propane tank compartment, up to the regulator, should be replaced. it shows signs of age.
so I took the hose off, brought it to my local gas service company... first guy told me to go try RV place... so I went over there, and they sent me back.
they tried special ordering it, and are now telling me their hose guys (they tried two) who make hoses up, cannot replicate that hose. Particular problem seems to be the female flare fitting that goes to the fitting that is mounted to the floor of the compartment, I believe they are telling me, it is a 5/8" female flare. and they cannot get to a 1/2 NPT that would go to the regulator.
I have a 75 palm beach. and my propane compartment hose is the same as what is in this picture:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/storage-ideas/p1956.html
are they missing something here?
Just use soft copper maybe?
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Mounds View. MN
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| Re: Propane hose from floor to regulator [message #260818 is a reply to message #260802] |
Wed, 03 September 2014 11:40 |
lqqkatjon
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needs to be pretty flexible. I am able to take it off of the main tank, bend it down, and hook it up to a 20 pound tank.
That option is important to me... I usually fill the tank before the snow flies, and burn it up with the furnace mid winter, then use 20 pound tanks for the remainder of the winter, until roads clear up.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: Propane hose from floor to regulator [message #260825 is a reply to message #260802] |
Wed, 03 September 2014 12:59 |
Carl S.
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Jon,
Do you have a hose specialty company nearby? If so, you should be able to take the hose to them and have them just replace the rubber hose, reusing the metal fittings. They do that with AC, PS, brake, and hydraulic hoses all the time. As long as you take the hose to them, they can crimp the new hose on and get the clocking the same.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: Propane hose from floor to regulator [message #260840 is a reply to message #260802] |
Wed, 03 September 2014 20:22 |
lqqkatjon
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specialty hose place might be my only answer.
I did dive into it a little more, and went to the coach, and wrenched out that 90 fitting. Looks like hardline copper propane line is on bottom of floor fitting. so that must be a male flare sticking down... going up into the compartment looks to be a NPT female now. the 90 I removed looks to be a male threaded NPT, to a 5/8" male flare. but the male NPT is smaller the the flare threads. so it looks like it is smaller NPT female at the floor. so maybe i can go to a different 90 fitting, and then get a more standard hose up to the regulator? back to the gas store tomorrow.
another pain in the butt problem just trying to deal with mon-friday 9 to 5 shops. This place is usually best around, and have helped me in the past with my gas valve and such. but their main hose guy I dealt with last week, who was going to special order that hose, is on vacation today when I was in.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: Propane hose from floor to regulator [message #260875 is a reply to message #260802] |
Thu, 04 September 2014 12:04 |
lqqkatjon
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Looks like that is the trick. change out that 90 fitting to one with a smaller flare, and the hose can easily be made.
Should have it tomorrow, I will post pictures.
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane hose from floor to regulator [message #260930 is a reply to message #260921] |
Thu, 04 September 2014 21:40 |
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I guess I am somewhat lucky! I have a propane filling place just three miles away. When I got the GMC, I drove it over there, had the tank and all inspected, and filled the tank at a reasonable price.
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> From: powerjon@chartermi.net
> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 19:51:15 -0400
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Propane hose from floor to regulator
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> This is how I have set mine up and have used it this way for a number of years. It is far cheaper to take your tank and go to a filling station than having a truck deliver LP to you.
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6671-external-propane-tank-hookup.html
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> JR Wright
> 78 Buskirk Stretch
> 75 Avion
> Michigan
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> On Sep 4, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Jon Roche wrote:
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>> Looks like that is the trick. change out that 90 fitting to one with a smaller flare, and the hose can easily be made.
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>> Should have it tomorrow, I will post pictures.
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>> St. Cloud, MN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane hose from floor to regulator [message #260938 is a reply to message #260930] |
Thu, 04 September 2014 23:01 |
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Not really my point, I too have a propane filling facilities just a couple of miles from the shop. What I am doing is when you're staying at a winter destination for several months, in our case Tucson you can run thru a fair amount of LP when the weather is cooler in January and February. The park that we stay at has over 1100 sites ( http://www.rinconcountry.com ) and LP is delivered 2 times a week in the park, but you’re talking at paying a premium for that service. They get more than a $1.00 more per gallon plus a delivery charge of $10 which pushes the cost per gallon to almost $4.00 a gallon whereas I can take my 30# cylinder and have it filled for less than $2.69 per gallon. You can get a little over 7 gallons in the 30# cylinder, almost the same as the large LP tank in the coach. So the cost is a little over $19 dollars (2014 prices, previous years were in the $2.29 a gallon ) for the fill it yourself verses $38.80 which is almost double. Just what I do, you can do what you want! By the way, electric is NOT an option, because you pay by the KWH and two 1500 W heaters chew up a bunch of KW a month as well as your regular usage for HW and lights.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion
Michigan
On Sep 4, 2014, at 10:40 PM, D C _Mac_ Macdonald wrote:
> I guess I am somewhat lucky! I have a propane filling place just three miles away. When I got the GMC, I drove it over there, had the tank and all inspected, and filled the tank at a reasonable price.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane hose from floor to regulator [message #260956 is a reply to message #260945] |
Fri, 05 September 2014 06:52 |
powerjon
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In RV parks you pay considerable more than you do at you home. We Pay 17.9 cents per KWH and that includes a number of park fees added taxes and it is non negotiable. Most park that you short term in the electrical is included in your lot fee, but long term you pay the metered.electrical as a separate cost.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion
Michigan
On Sep 5, 2014, at 1:14 AM, A. wrote:
> powerjon wrote on Thu, 04 September 2014 23:01
>> ...The park that we stay at has over 1100 sites ( http://www.rinconcountry.com ) and LP is delivered 2 times a week in the park, but you're
>> talking at paying a premium for that service. They get more than a $1.00 more per gallon plus a delivery charge of $10 which pushes the cost per
>> gallon to almost $4.00 a gallon whereas I can take my 30# cylinder and have it filled for less than $2.69 per gallon. ...
> FWIW, where I live electricity runs about $0.125 per kWh. That works out to $3.35 for the electricity to produce the same amount of heat that would
> be produced by a gallon of propane.
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> When you consider your furnace is maybe 70% efficient, that $2.69 per gallon becomes $3.84 to put as much heat as a gallon would produce at 100%
> efficiency. You would have to be paying 14.33 cents per kWh before it gets cheaper to burn propane than use electricity. Maybe you are paying more
> per kWh than that. You should check.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane hose from floor to regulator [message #260979 is a reply to message #260956] |
Fri, 05 September 2014 12:33 |
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powerjon wrote on Fri, 05 September 2014 06:52...We Pay 17.9 cents per KWH and that includes a number of park fees added taxes and it is non negotiable. ... That'd be $4.84 for as much heat as a gallon of propane, if your furnace is 100% efficient.
A gallon of propane will produce about 91,500 BTUs at 100% efficiency. That'd be 64,050 BTUs from a heater at 70% efficiency. An electric heater is 100% efficient. It'd cost $3.39 to get 64,050 BTUs from electricity at 17.9 cents per kWh. It'd cost $3.84 for the same amount of heat from a propane heater that is 70% efficient if fuel is $2.69 per gallon.
The amount of electricity can come into play if it is real cold. Your propane furnace can produce 60,000 BTUs. It would take about 11 1500W electric heaters to do the same thing. At best, you could only run 6 of those on the two 40A breakers in a GMC.
I thought propane would be less expensive to heat my house when I moved in 5 years ago. I had the gas company set a tank and put 200 gallons of propane in it at (surprise) $2.69 per gallon. I had a ventless gas log set (100% efficiency). Before the weather got really cold, I was burning a gallon a day, and the house was getting down into the 50s (F) at night. I switched over to the heat pump, and paid less for the additional electricity than I was spending in propane, even when the weather got colder and the resistance heat kicked in most of the time. And the house was a lot warmer.
Always do the math.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane hose from floor to regulator [message #261000 is a reply to message #260979] |
Fri, 05 September 2014 15:09 |
powerjon
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Yes, you can run the numbers all you want but in reality things are somewhat different.
First year in Tucson months of January and February the electric cost was a little over $100 a month. 2 cube heaters and two AC heat strips
Second year same months electric plus gas cost were at $80 a month. Furnace only
Real life and figuring are sometimes different.
JR Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMC Eastern States
GMCMHI
78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
On Sep 5, 2014, at 1:33 PM, A. wrote:
> powerjon wrote on Fri, 05 September 2014 06:52
>> ...We Pay 17.9 cents per KWH and that includes a number of park fees added taxes and it is non negotiable. ...
> That'd be $4.84 for as much heat as a gallon of propane, if your furnace is 100% efficient.
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> A gallon of propane will produce about 91,500 BTUs at 100% efficiency. That'd be 64,050 BTUs from a heater at 70% efficiency. An electric heater is
> 100% efficient. It'd cost $3.39 to get 64,050 BTUs from electricity at 17.9 cents per kWh. It'd cost $3.84 for the same amount of heat from a
> propane heater that is 70% efficient if fuel is $2.69 per gallon.
>
> The amount of electricity can come into play if it is real cold. Your propane furnace can produce 60,000 BTUs. It would take about 11 1500W electric
> heaters to do the same thing. At best, you could only run 6 of those on the two 40A breakers in a GMC.
>
> I thought propane would be less expensive to heat my house when I moved in 5 years ago. I had the gas company set a tank and put 200 gallons of
> propane in it at (surprise) $2.69 per gallon. I had a ventless gas log set (100% efficiency). Before the weather got really cold, I was burning a
> gallon a day, and the house was getting down into the 50s (F) at night. I switched over to the heat pump, and paid less for the additional electricity
> than I was spending in propane, even when the weather got colder and the resistance heat kicked in most of the time. And the house was a lot warmer.
>
> Always do the math.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Propane hose from floor to regulator [message #261013 is a reply to message #261008] |
Fri, 05 September 2014 16:28 |
powerjon
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It wasn’t 2013 or 2014 that we are talking about. You guess.
JR Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMC Eastern States
GMCMHI
78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan
On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:03 PM, A. wrote:
> A Hamilto wrote on Fri, 05 September 2014 15:36
>> powerjon wrote on Fri, 05 September 2014 15:09
>>> Yes, you can run the numbers all you want but in reality things are somewhat different.
>>> First year in Tucson months of January and February the electric cost was a little over $100 a month. 2 cube heaters and two AC heat strips
>>> Second year same months electric plus gas cost were at $80 a month. Furnace only
>>> Real life and figuring are sometimes different.
>>>
>>> JR Wright
>>> GMC Great Laker MHC
>>> GMC Eastern States
>>> GMCMHI
>>> 78 GMC Buskirk 30' Stretch
>>> 1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
>>> Michigan
>> True. The furnace mixes the air, baseboard and cube heaters let all the hot air go to the ceiling. If the heat is at the ceiling and your feet are
>> cold, the heat gets turned up and costs more.
>>
>> Other factors are involved too. The average temperature and how much sunlight from one January/February and the next, accuracy of the power meter
>> and gas fill equipment, yada yada yada.
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>> In a "perfectly" controlled environment, numbers work. Uncontrolled variables mess up everything.
> And according to Weather Underground (wunderground.com) the mean temperature for the month in January 2013 was 49F. In January 2014 it was 56F.
> That's 7F higher in 2014. February 2013 mean temp was 50F. February 2014 mean temp was 59F. That's 7F warmer in January this year and 9F warmer in
> February. That easily accounts for more than $20 per month for heat.
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