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| [GMCnet] MANTECA RALLY -- The question is not if , but when you need it [message #260717] |
Tue, 02 September 2014 15:18  |
Mr ERFisher
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The question is not if ,(because you all will)
but when you need this information
THIS IS "*THE"*, RALLY FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS
do not miss this
http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com/
- ONE TON
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only Manny makes this new part
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TBI INJECTION - HOWELL, or MSD, - both at rally
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DISK BRAKES - JIM K or MANNY
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EVERY PART FOR A GMC - JIM K
- APC and "THE TAP"- preventive maintenance
- UPDATE YOUR ELECTRICAL -
- UP DATE YOUR STEERING COLUMN
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"ALTERNATIVE ENGINES" - MANNY
- NEW AND BEST INTERIORS - JIM B
- AUTO FIRE SYSTEMS - JIM B
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ONAN - FOR THE FUTURE - BOVEE
- WINDOWS, PAINT, AND ALL - MINI
- HOW TO GET-ER-DONE - JIM H, JIM K, JIM B
- ANY MUCH MUCH MORE
all the answers you need
read here how to go
http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com/
and when you are too tired to spit
go to the TI rally (sign up for that also
get signed up
erf
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| Re: [GMCnet] MANTECA RALLY -- The question is not if , but when you need it [message #260740 is a reply to message #260717] |
Tue, 02 September 2014 17:41  |
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Sounds like good stuff, I'm so glad Manny made me come! Can't be anything
but a good time. Green meanies are not welcome. "I gotta get outa this
place...."!
Jim Bounds
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On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 4:18 PM, gene Fisher wrote:
> The question is not if ,(because you all will)
> but when you need this information
>
> THIS IS "*THE"*, RALLY FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS
>
> do not miss this
>
> http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com/
>
>
> - ONE TON
> --
> only Manny makes this new part
> -
> TBI INJECTION - HOWELL, or MSD, - both at rally
> -
> DISK BRAKES - JIM K or MANNY
>
> -
> EVERY PART FOR A GMC - JIM K
> - APC and "THE TAP"- preventive maintenance
> - UPDATE YOUR ELECTRICAL -
> - UP DATE YOUR STEERING COLUMN
>
> -
> "ALTERNATIVE ENGINES" - MANNY
> - NEW AND BEST INTERIORS - JIM B
> - AUTO FIRE SYSTEMS - JIM B
> -
> ONAN - FOR THE FUTURE - BOVEE
> - WINDOWS, PAINT, AND ALL - MINI
> - HOW TO GET-ER-DONE - JIM H, JIM K, JIM B
> - ANY MUCH MUCH MORE
>
>
> all the answers you need
> read here how to go
> http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com/
>
> and when you are too tired to spit
> go to the TI rally (sign up for that also
>
> get signed up
> erf
>
> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
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| Re: [GMCnet] MANTECA RALLY -- The question is not if , but when you need it [message #260745 is a reply to message #260741] |
Tue, 02 September 2014 18:38 |
Mr ERFisher
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I wonder if he is still out there??
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:47 PM, Gary Berry wrote:
> Does this mean that Cal (the Pool Man) is going to be there also???
> --
> Gary and Diana Berry
> 73 CL Stretch in Wa.
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> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Jim Bounds
> wrote:
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>> Sounds like good stuff, I'm so glad Manny made me come! Can't be
> anything
>> but a good time. Green meanies are not welcome. "I gotta get outa this
>> place...."!
>>
>> Jim Bounds
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| Re: [GMCnet] MANTECA RALLY -- The question is not if , but when you need it [message #260773 is a reply to message #260751] |
Tue, 02 September 2014 21:16 |
Mr ERFisher
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It is in here
Ken is going to be in trouble for letting the cat out of the bag so to speak. Hmmm....
Gary Bovee
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> On Aug 16, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Ken Henderson wrote:
>
> Neil,
>
> I don't claim to be an expert at this, but I have done it several times,
> and I've watched our current guru, Alex Ferrara, do it several times.
> Since he doesn't seem to be online, I'll try to give you accurate
> instructions:
>
> It's not bolts to which you're trying to align; it's the flat which is
> perpendicular to the extension of the steering shaft. That is, look at the
> farthest thing from the steering wheel. That's a cover which is bolted to
> the flat of interest. Now Alex made a little tool which consists of two
> 3"-4" long pieces of 3/4" x 1/8" bar stock (approximately). One of them
> has two magnets to attach to the top two bolts of that cover, giving an
> easily visible target parallel to that surface. The second bar has a
> single magnet at its center.
>
> The first step in his procedure is to lock the steering wheel in the
> straight ahead position. He does it by ty-wrapping a rigid pole to the
> wheel with its ends lodged on the side window sill and the dash.
>
> Next, remove the lower steering shaft from the steering box input and the
> steering column shaft.
>
> Now install the two magnetized bars, or just try to align the shaft flat
> and the cover flat by eye -- a short straight edge on the input flat helps.
> Rotate the steering box input shaft to align the two bars. KEEP THAT
> POSITION 'cause it SHOULD be the "high spot".
>
> Now, reinstall the lower shaft without turning either the steering column
> shaft or the input shaft.
> Align the lower coupling to the input shaft by inserting the shank of a
> 27/32" (someone correct that for me!) drill bit through the bolt hole. If
> the bit won't fit, you must quit -- to select another spline alignment.
>
> Once you've got that one in place, fit the upper one, making sure that the
> ridge around the inside of the clamp is seated ON the CV joint. To make
> the bolt notch in the steering shaft align with the bolt hole in the CV
> joint may require disassembly and reassembly of the upper CV joint if
> someone has previously done it wrong -- it's EASY to do. There are at
> least 6 ways (maybe more) to put it together, all but one of them wrong.
>
> Make sure the steering wheel's still centered. Now tighten the dickens out
> of both clamp bolts. If you manage to break one, buy a stronger bolt.
> They MUST be TIGHT -- especially the lower one -- like 70 ft-lb.
>
> Your steering wheel, column and box should now be aligned. If the coach
> doesn't go straight with the steering wheel centered, correct it with the
> adjustable drag link you should have. Or with the tie rods if you don't.
> Do not tamper again with what you just got right -- there is no other
> correct position for those parts. And don't bother to pull the pitman arm
> -- it only fits on 1 way anyhow.
>
> Feel free to correct this if I've scrambled something.
>
> Best of all, come to GMCMI Chippewa Falls, where Alex is scheduled to give
> a seminar on this!
>
> Ken H.
>
>> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Neil Martin wrote:
>>
>> I have read in detail the posts on the proper alignment of the flat on the
>> steering box input shaft and how it should be parallel to the mounting
>> bolts. I am still not quite getting it (and for the benefit of Rob - yes
>> I did look at the manual)
>>
>> I have never taken these parts apart before - I confess to using a mechanic
>> although I am fairly handy and this is "easy" compared to Alfa Romeos.
>>
>> Looks to me that my box isn't in the "proper" position, even with my
>> steering wheel - as centered using adjustable drag link - horizontal. The
>> coach
>> is other wise properly aligned. It drives straight but after having
>> everything replaced including the box, now handles to me in an evil and
>> unacceptable manner. (Before it handled fine but just had some play I
>> wanted to get ride of)
>>
>> Is the relationship of the flat to the bolts fixed by removing the pitman
>> arm and re-centering? By taking out the intermediate shaft of the steering
>> column and re-centering? Doing both? I know the steering box flat
>> dictates one side of the intermediate shaft connection. I don't know if the
>> top
>> part with the CV is keyed or just has splines.
>>
>> I didn't want to go there on this hot day taking things apart without some
>> advice.
>>
>> Thanks
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On Sep 2, 2014, at 5:28 PM, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
> Eugene, what is the "TAP"?
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] MANTECA RALLY -- The question is not if , but when you need it [message #260775 is a reply to message #260751] |
Tue, 02 September 2014 21:58 |
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On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Kerry Pinkerton
wrote:
> Eugene, what is the "TAP"?
>
> this is a way to be protected from a nsss, or a start switch failure.
you do not have to use it, but if you get stuck, it will save your bacon
as described here
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6460/start_switch_talk.pdf
erf
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
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> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
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> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny also a 76
> Eleganza to be re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| [GMCnet] MANTECA RALLY -- The question is not if , but when you need it [message #260860 is a reply to message #260751] |
Thu, 04 September 2014 04:49 |
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I AM BACK. :)
Sorry it took so long-- stuff--
I am talking about this at the Manteca rally
http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com
I am real big on having tools that do not modify the design and function of
the GMC
Does not come into operation, unless you have a problem ---
But
Will keep you on the road ( like the APC )
The TAP is a
- simple,
- cheap,
- clip-on
- every owner can install - them selves-
But can provide all of the services shown here ,
for NSSS, and START SWITCH mal-functions
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/data/6460/start_switch_talk.pdf
And here
http://minniebiz.com/gmcmotorhome/2011/05/22/how-to-jumper-the-park-neutral-safety-switch/
There are considerations that I will cover at the rally,,
But I have been running this way for a year, while I fix the problems
Erf
On Tuesday, September 2, 2014, Kerry Pinkerton wrote:
> Eugene, what is the "TAP"?
>
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
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> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny also a 76
> Eleganza to be re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] MANTECA RALLY -- The question is not if , but when you need it [message #260861 is a reply to message #260789] |
Thu, 04 September 2014 06:32 |
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Eugene, I've seen those slides before but you are not answering my question.
Kerry Pinkerton wrote on Wed, 03 September 2014 06:27Sorry to be dense Eugene but the slides leave a question. I understand the separate start switch and the reasons. What I don't understand is the photo (slide 8)where a hand is holding SOMETHING in it's fingers and there is a red line pointing to a purple wire. It is labeled "THE TAP"....
What is the thing in the fingers?
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
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| Re: [GMCnet] MANTECA RALLY -- The question is not if , but when you need it [message #260863 is a reply to message #260789] |
Thu, 04 September 2014 07:34 |
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Yea, Cal is coming in for a couple of days. Will be good to see everyone,
the WS rallies are a highlight for me. Janie isn't coming with me this
time-- she's too busy being off with her Mom and family. I retired her as
my CFO, it's much better living with the social director she sighned up to
be.
Jim Bounds
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Kerry Pinkerton
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> Sorry to be dense Eugene but the slides leave a question. I understand
> the separate start switch and the reasons. What I don't understand is the
> photo (slide 8)where a hand is holding SOMETHING in it's fingers and there
> is a red line pointing to a purple wire. It is labeled "THE TAP".
>
> I'm sure this is a neat idea and was a great presentation when it was
> given but without some additional supporting text it's just not very clear
> to
> me. Of course, I'm just a non-engineer from Alabama. :lol:
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>
> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny also a 76
> Eleganza to be re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] MANTECA RALLY -- The question is not if , but when you need it [message #260870 is a reply to message #260861] |
Thu, 04 September 2014 09:10 |
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sorry
did you look on the blog ?
http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com/
i am not ready to select "the one"
but will have them at the rally
does this help?
erf
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:32 AM, Kerry Pinkerton
wrote:
> Eugene, I've seen those slides before but you are not answering my
> question.
>
> Kerry Pinkerton wrote on Wed, 03 September 2014 06:27
>> Sorry to be dense Eugene but the slides leave a question. I understand
> the separate start switch and the reasons. What I don't understand is the
>> photo (slide 8)where a hand is holding SOMETHING in it's fingers and
> there is a red line pointing to a purple wire. It is labeled "THE TAP"....
>
>
> What is the thing in the fingers?
>
>
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>
> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny also a 76
> Eleganza to be re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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| Re: [GMCnet] MANTECA RALLY -- The question is not if , but when you need it [message #260871 is a reply to message #260870] |
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Mr ERFisher wrote on Thu, 04 September 2014 09:10sorry
did you look on the blog ?
http://gmc49ers.blogspot.com/
i am not ready to select "the one"
but will have them at the rally
does this help?
erf
Yes Eugene, I looked at the blog and look at it regularly. I don't see anything that explains my fairly simple question. I understand that start switches and neutral safety switches can fail and a start button can get you going.
And no, I won't be at the west coast rally any more than you will be in Wisconsin so that won't help me much.
These cryptic posts you make don't always convey the information you may think they do. You beat up GMCMI regularly about them holding presentations hostage (which they do) and promote open access to information (which I support). However, what you may be missing is that a slide set by itself is only a portion of the information discussed at a seminar. Without supporting text or explanation, it's only part of the story.
I have no idea what "ONE" you are talking about and I read every post you make.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
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| Re: [GMCnet] MANTECA RALLY -- The question is not if , but when you need it [message #260906 is a reply to message #260717] |
Thu, 04 September 2014 17:21 |
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Hells Bells Eugene, why didn't you just say it was a line splice that goes HERE? Jeez Now things make sense.
Did you update the slide. I don't recall seeing that hidden slide before. It did not occur to me that I needed to look for drill down clicks.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
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| Re: [GMCnet] MANTECA RALLY -- The question is not if , but when you need it [message #261009 is a reply to message #260906] |
Fri, 05 September 2014 16:06 |
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On Thursday, September 4, 2014, Kerry Pinkerton
wrote:
> Hells Bells Eugene, why didn't you just say it was a line splice that goes
> HERE? Jeez Now things make sense.
Could not figure why the pix did not help
But
No problem, we had 230 hit on the blog that day,
So tanks for the interest
Erf
>
> Did you update the slide. I don't recall seeing that hidden slide
> before. It did not occur to me that I needed to look for drill down clicks.
> --
> Kerry Pinkerton
>
> North Alabama, near Huntsville,
>
> 77 Eleganza II, "The Lady", 403CI, Manny Brakes, 1 ton, tranny also a 76
> Eleganza to be re-bodied as an Art Deco car hauler
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