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Fri, 22 August 2014 00:17  |
Bob Wright
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Well there I was showing up at a 'cascaders' club event in Victoria in a
motorhome I only just picked up and drove from Washington to Victoria 6
days ago. The group welcomed me and showed me each of the 11 coaches in
attendance (there should be more arriving tomorrow). Low and behold, I
could not start my coach, the first of my issues, when I wanted to head out
but between us we were able to jump start it even though i had a few
batteries and cables with me. Turns out apparently that I have a bad
connection somewhere before the switch for the house batteries. Jumper
cable more direct on the cable to the starter did the trick. Then it was
off on the highway to head home before it got too dark (and not just our
mood after the electrical failure). Sailing along feeling good about the
new friends and sputter...sputter...sputter. No fuel. Flipping to
auxiliary made no difference so it seems my troubles are compounded. Weak
connections to the otherwise strong battery and a blockage in the auxiliary
tank. Now I knew I was taking a chance with the new acquisition but that
is what these short trips are for. Iron out the bugs. A few gallons of
gas and another jump start from our faithful tin top and we were 'home
free' so to speak. Thanks to several GMC owners (Gordon, Rob) for helping
to get my Jeep and gas.
On a good note I discovered while going over systems yesterday that my
original central vac works just fine. So now I can say the coach sucks in
more ways than one! One for the better. :)
Thanks to the Cascaders for their hospitality and coming to the rescue.
This is what clubs do so well and for that, we all benefit.
Cheers from a newbie '76 Palm Beach owner. Bob
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| Re: [GMCnet] Saved by the club...... [message #259707 is a reply to message #259705] |
Fri, 22 August 2014 01:02  |
jimk
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Bob,
I encourage all the new owners to get associated with local clubs.
There is strength in numbers.
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Bob Wright wrote:
> Well there I was showing up at a 'cascaders' club event in Victoria in a
> motorhome I only just picked up and drove from Washington to Victoria 6
> days ago. The group welcomed me and showed me each of the 11 coaches in
> attendance (there should be more arriving tomorrow). Low and behold, I
> could not start my coach, the first of my issues, when I wanted to head out
> but between us we were able to jump start it even though i had a few
> batteries and cables with me. Turns out apparently that I have a bad
> connection somewhere before the switch for the house batteries. Jumper
> cable more direct on the cable to the starter did the trick. Then it was
> off on the highway to head home before it got too dark (and not just our
> mood after the electrical failure). Sailing along feeling good about the
> new friends and sputter...sputter...sputter. No fuel. Flipping to
> auxiliary made no difference so it seems my troubles are compounded. Weak
> connections to the otherwise strong battery and a blockage in the auxiliary
> tank. Now I knew I was taking a chance with the new acquisition but that
> is what these short trips are for. Iron out the bugs. A few gallons of
> gas and another jump start from our faithful tin top and we were 'home
> free' so to speak. Thanks to several GMC owners (Gordon, Rob) for helping
> to get my Jeep and gas.
> On a good note I discovered while going over systems yesterday that my
> original central vac works just fine. So now I can say the coach sucks in
> more ways than one! One for the better. :)
> Thanks to the Cascaders for their hospitality and coming to the rescue.
> This is what clubs do so well and for that, we all benefit.
> Cheers from a newbie '76 Palm Beach owner. Bob
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| Re: [GMCnet] Saved by the club...... [message #259962 is a reply to message #259705] |
Sun, 24 August 2014 20:59 |
Rob
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I was glad that I found you on the highway! I was seconds from giving up and heading home, when I saw you coming to a stop, down the on-ramp! The new (soon to be GMC bumper mounted) Yamaha BWS scooter came in handy that night - and it had no problems hitting highways speeds!
So the episode actually helped me figure a few things out as well - it may have been weeks before I realized how quick that little scooter was...
Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
On 2014-08-21, at 10:17 PM, Bob Wright wrote:
> Well there I was showing up at a 'cascaders' club event in Victoria in a
> motorhome I only just picked up and drove from Washington to Victoria 6
> days ago. The group welcomed me and showed me each of the 11 coaches in
> attendance (there should be more arriving tomorrow). Low and behold, I
> could not start my coach, the first of my issues, when I wanted to head out
> but between us we were able to jump start it even though i had a few
> batteries and cables with me. Turns out apparently that I have a bad
> connection somewhere before the switch for the house batteries. Jumper
> cable more direct on the cable to the starter did the trick. Then it was
> off on the highway to head home before it got too dark (and not just our
> mood after the electrical failure). Sailing along feeling good about the
> new friends and sputter...sputter...sputter. No fuel. Flipping to
> auxiliary made no difference so it seems my troubles are compounded. Weak
> connections to the otherwise strong battery and a blockage in the auxiliary
> tank. Now I knew I was taking a chance with the new acquisition but that
> is what these short trips are for. Iron out the bugs. A few gallons of
> gas and another jump start from our faithful tin top and we were 'home
> free' so to speak. Thanks to several GMC owners (Gordon, Rob) for helping
> to get my Jeep and gas.
> On a good note I discovered while going over systems yesterday that my
> original central vac works just fine. So now I can say the coach sucks in
> more ways than one! One for the better. :)
> Thanks to the Cascaders for their hospitality and coming to the rescue.
> This is what clubs do so well and for that, we all benefit.
> Cheers from a newbie '76 Palm Beach owner. Bob
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| Re: [GMCnet] Saved by the club...... [message #259988 is a reply to message #259976] |
Mon, 25 August 2014 05:54 |
Ken Burton
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I carry a 350 pound 250 cc scooter and a 450 pound 400 CC motorcycle (not at the same time) on my 2" trailer hitch receiver.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Saved by the club...... [message #260019 is a reply to message #259988] |
Mon, 25 August 2014 11:07 |
Rob
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Wow! Do you notice any/much difference with handling of the GMC when the 450 pound is on there?
Mine is a little scooter (but with a bunch of mods that really changed it!) - about 200 pounds. Still waiting on the hitch mount. I'm hoping it's here before the next outing!
We just wanted it for simple outings - beach/beer runs etc...
Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
On 2014-08-25, at 3:55 AM, Ken Burton wrote:
> I carry a 350 pound 250 cc scooter and a 450 pound 400 CC motorcycle (not at the same time) on my 2" trailer hitch receiver.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Saved by the club...... [message #260025 is a reply to message #260019] |
Mon, 25 August 2014 11:51 |
James Hupy
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I just finished working on a coach last week that had an extended hitch
carry rack. It had a generator, and fuel tank storage, a Honda Trail 70,
and a pod sized carry box mounted on it with lots of stuff in it. In
addition, the coach had tool boxes between the bumper and the body that
were full of "stuff" as well. Probably tipped the scale at 600 - 700
pounds. I did not weigh it, so my guess may be off a bit. He was
complaining of poor handling. So I corrected the ride height as much as was
possible. It took 130 psi in the quad bags to get it to ride height in the
back. Normal is 85 or so. The right front was 2 " low, so I unloaded the
torsion bar and removed the adjustment bolt and nut. The bolt was stripped
out, and I replaced the nut. As I did not have a new bolt in stock, I
replaced his with an old bolt that I had chased the threads on and was good
enough for a standby part. I was able to get the coach to within 1/4" of
correct ride height, but did not trust the old bolt to any more tension
than that. On secondary two lane high crown lanes near my place, the coach
was much improved over the way that it was when it came in. After the owner
drove to the bay area in California, he communicated back that it was much
improved, but that he still noticed a bit of wander on asphalt freeway
lanes but not on concrete ones. I checked the front camber, both were
within .3 of a degree from "0" and caster was as much as we can get with
offset bushings on the upper control arm rearmost bushings. Toe was very
close to "0" as well. Does rear weight behind the bumper affect handling?
Yes it does and not in a positive way. Keep that weight as close to the
bumper as possible, and as light as possible. If it goes much heavier or
further out than the example I have described here, my advice is to use a
small trailer instead of the carry rack. I have towed a small trailer
behind my Royale many thousands of miles, with some heavy loads and it does
not detract from handling very much. It does effect fuel economy, and takes
some skill in turns and backing up, but you never have to fight the
steering wheel like my customer commented. Your experience may vary.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Rob wrote:
> Wow! Do you notice any/much difference with handling of the GMC when the
> 450 pound is on there?
>
> Mine is a little scooter (but with a bunch of mods that really changed
> it!) - about 200 pounds. Still waiting on the hitch mount. I'm hoping it's
> here before the next outing!
>
> We just wanted it for simple outings - beach/beer runs etc...
>
> Rob
> Victoria, BC
> 76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
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> On 2014-08-25, at 3:55 AM, Ken Burton wrote:
>
>> I carry a 350 pound 250 cc scooter and a 450 pound 400 CC motorcycle
> (not at the same time) on my 2" trailer hitch receiver.
>> --
>> Ken Burton - N9KB
>> 76 Palm Beach
>> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Saved by the club...... [message #260029 is a reply to message #260027] |
Mon, 25 August 2014 12:46 |
James Hupy
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Pretty sure that the amount of weight that I was talking about that far
behind the rear bumper has a larger effect than the weight alone does.
Archimedies principle and all that. But the all up weight of this
particular coach exceeds 13, 000 pounds, and it is an earlier coach with
the GVW rating of 10,800 pounds on the TZE plate. Weight and balance as
would apply to a normally laden coach is out the window here. The front is
heavy, heavy here as well as the rear. Probably very difficult to determine
the exact fulcrum point as a result. I would not even try to. Just need to
get it to handle well under the set of conditions that exist "real world"
instead of slide rule or textbook conditions. That much weight hung off the
back ain't a good thing in any event. If you want to take a stab at
convincing the owner and/or his wife that they should lighten their load,
be my guest. I advised them, and that is where I'm going to depart from
this conversation.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Aug 25, 2014 10:13 AM, "A." wrote:
> James Hupy wrote on Mon, 25 August 2014 11:51
>> I just finished working on a coach last week that had an extended hitch
> carry rack. ... Probably tipped the scale at 600 - 700 pounds.
>> ...I unloaded the torsion bar and removed the adjustment bolt and nut.
> The bolt was stripped out, and I replaced the nut. As I did not have a new
>> bolt in stock, I replaced his with an old bolt that I had chased the
> threads on and was good enough for a standby part. I was able to get the
> coach
>> to within 1/4" of correct ride height, but did not trust the old bolt to
> any more tension than that. ...
> Stuff on the back takes weight off the front. You probably could have
> adjusted it to correct ride height as the bumper was loaded, but not sure
> what
> would happen if the hitch rack was unloaded.
>
> 700 pounds on the back bumper takes about 400 pounds off the front axle.
>
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