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[GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium [message #258896]

Fri, 15 August 2014 10:49

Olly Schmidt

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From Lenze:

Olga now in Belgium
As you know I was still not happy with the redone transmission. And it is still a mess

Firsth I lost the adjustment. I thought it was the nut slipping, but now I am not sure. I adjustet as per manual and as per manny
There is no positiv stop between D and N nor between R and N
Driving on the motorway with a quite steep rise: going 2100 rpm 60 M/h. Keeping the rpm Olga slowz down to 30 and then slips. Heavy trucks passing us by
2. And 1. Seems fine. Engine strong

Except that the new compressor does not make any pressure anymore

Ready to throw the towel

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium [message #258908 is a reply to message #258896]

Fri, 15 August 2014 11:23

Mr ERFisher

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On Aug 15, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Peer Oliver Schmidt GMC wrote:

> From Lenze:
>
> Olga now in Belgium
> As you know I was still not happy with the redone transmission. And it is still a mess
>
> Firsth I lost the adjustment. I thought it was the nut slipping, but now I am not sure. I adjustet as per manual and as per manny
> There is no positiv stop between D and N nor between R and N
> Driving on the motorway with a quite steep rise: going 2100 rpm 60 M/h. Keeping the rpm Olga slowz down to 30 and then slips. Heavy trucks passing us by
> 2. And 1. Seems fine. Engine strong
>
> Except that the new compressor does not make any pressure anymore
>
> Ready to throw the towel
>
> --
> Best regards
>
> Peer Oliver Schmidt
> PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA
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> '76a Eleganza II, VA
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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium [message #258911 is a reply to message #258896]

Fri, 15 August 2014 11:37

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Peer Oliver Schmidt wrote on Fri, 15 August 2014 08:49

From Lenze:

Olga now in Belgium
As you know I was still not happy with the redone transmission. And it is still a mess

Firsth I lost the adjustment. I thought it was the nut slipping, but now I am not sure. I adjustet as per manual and as per Manny
There is no positive stop between D and N nor between R and N
Driving on the motorway with a quite steep rise: going 2100 rpm 60 M/h. Keeping the rpm Olga slowz down to 30 and then slips. Heavy trucks passing us by
2. And 1. Seems fine. Engine strong

Except that the new compressor does not make any pressure anymore

Ready to throw the towel

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Peer Oliver Schmidt
PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA

'76a Eleganza II, VA

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My thoughts on that would be if you are sure its the air compressor and not a leak get another air compressor and run with the air bag valves turned off or replacement schraders installed till you replace the pump. As far as the tyranny is concerned have Manny ship another one or get an OK from Manny to have that one torn down and fixed if there any competent trans shops that know the 425 out there.

Roy Keen Minden,NV 76 X Glenbrook

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium [message #258917 is a reply to message #258896]

Fri, 15 August 2014 11:54

appie

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Thanks to peer for relaing my message. Just found out I can login from my Iphone. So I am on again
The observant reader will remember that I just had the tranny and convertor redone after losing oil
It must be possible to make a transmission run right !
But we are pretty worn by now
It has been 3 months wirt engine and tranny

Appie eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold 6 wheel discbrake Quadrabags Springfield stage 2 462 olds Manny tranny ( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016 Denmark

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium [message #258947 is a reply to message #258917]

Fri, 15 August 2014 17:28

Loffen

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Your spring loaded roller is loose or broken, usually an easy repair, but it is located inside the the oil pan so you would have to drain the transmission.

What worry me is your slipping, did the shop find anything wrong with it ?

1973 23' # 1848 Sky Blue Glacier called Baby Blue and a 1973 26'-3 # 1460 Parrot green Seqouia Known as the Big Green, And sold my 1973 26'-2 # 581 White Canyon lands under the name Dobbelt trøbbel in Norway

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium [message #258958 is a reply to message #258917]

Fri, 15 August 2014 19:14

Bob de Kruyff

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appie wrote on Fri, 15 August 2014 10:54

Thanks to peer for relaing my message. Just found out I can login from my Iphone. So I am on again
The observant reader will remember that I just had the tranny and convertor redone after losing oil
It must be possible to make a transmission run right !
But we are pretty worn by now
It has been 3 months wirt engine and tranny

Is it possible that the transmission is not slipping at all? Many people confuse the sound of the fan roaring (when the fan clutch engages) as the engine speeding up. Do you have a tach to make sure that the vehicle is slowing but the engine RPM is up? If your transmission is slipping that badly, it would barely make one hill.

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium [message #258990 is a reply to message #258958]

Fri, 15 August 2014 23:11

appie

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Thanks Espen. That sounds like it
Yes the slipping worrys me too
As I wrote earlier I did not like it from when she was done. Slipping on the flat road in the netherlands. But the mechanic said it was like it should be. What do I know ?
I will drive the 300 miles back to the shop and have them have a other look at it

And yes I have a large tacho. And I have rhe valves on rhe airbags so I can drive

Lord give me patience

Appie eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold 6 wheel discbrake Quadrabags Springfield stage 2 462 olds Manny tranny ( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016 Denmark

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium [message #259004 is a reply to message #258990]

Sat, 16 August 2014 02:20

Loffen

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at 2100 rpms you go down to 30 (Mph or kmh ?) and it slips.. No down shift to second ? and what would happen if you tried to rise the rpm ?

Now I would really like to come down to you in belgium and take a look at, it is kind of like haveing a itch on the back that you can not reach..

1973 23' # 1848 Sky Blue Glacier called Baby Blue and a 1973 26'-3 # 1460 Parrot green Seqouia Known as the Big Green, And sold my 1973 26'-2 # 581 White Canyon lands under the name Dobbelt trøbbel in Norway

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium [message #259005 is a reply to message #259004]

Sat, 16 August 2014 03:04

Ken Burton

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I am not a transmission person. I rely on Manny or Dick Paterson for that. I can pull and replace them but not fix them. When my trans went out, it exhibited your symptoms but I could shift down using the shift lever on the column to "S" or second gear and it would pull OK. Third gear finally quit pulling all together and I had to drive it home in "S" or second gear. One other symptom that happened when 3rd was slipping, was "Reverse" was also slipping. When 3rd went out completely so did reverse. Manny told me it was a specific clutch. I do not know which clutch it was.

I'm asking you if you have reverse slipping also?

I'm also still asking if you are positive that you are really in 3rd gear. When it fails (slipping), what happens if you pull the gear shift lever down into "S"? Does it shift down to second? If it does not down shift, then you are already in Second gear and that is your problem.

HTH

Ken B.

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium [message #259008 is a reply to message #259005]

Sat, 16 August 2014 03:33

appie

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ESpen. You would be welcom

I will try to be more speciffic
In driving on flat road I encouter (converter)slippage in all gears wich I understand as normal to a certain extend
Now in begium on the motorway going uphill 60miles 2100 rpm ( max torque) 3th she looses speed cant rise the rpm . down to 30 miles then slips completly ( trans or convertor?) giving less gass she picks up again, slowing down. Shift to seccond she picks up and climbs the hill 30-40 miles

Also she was not holding in P and crawling in N

Appie eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold 6 wheel discbrake Quadrabags Springfield stage 2 462 olds Manny tranny ( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016 Denmark

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium [message #259009 is a reply to message #258896]

Sat, 16 August 2014 03:36

appie

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That was me shifting down manually. Should she do that auto ?
Reversing so rarely seems ok

Appie eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold 6 wheel discbrake Quadrabags Springfield stage 2 462 olds Manny tranny ( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016 Denmark

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium [message #259010 is a reply to message #259009]

Sat, 16 August 2014 03:55

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How far are you from schipol ?

And yes your transmission should downshift either by speed/torque/vacuum or kickdown as long as someone has not mounted a shift kit or messed around with your valvebody.

And this troubles me a little, if your roller that hold the your gear shift rod in the selected gear is loose it is usually the bolt that holds it that is not thigthen, that bolt goes through your valvebody that is the transmission's brain, then the question is if the other bolts going through the valvebody are loose to.. if so you will for sure have problems.

1973 23' # 1848 Sky Blue Glacier called Baby Blue and a 1973 26'-3 # 1460 Parrot green Seqouia Known as the Big Green, And sold my 1973 26'-2 # 581 White Canyon lands under the name Dobbelt trøbbel in Norway

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium [message #259011 is a reply to message #259010]

Sat, 16 August 2014 03:58

Loffen

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And I really need an answer to this question.

What did the transmission shop find that was wrong when they rebuilt the transmission ?

If you do not know please ask them

1973 23' # 1848 Sky Blue Glacier called Baby Blue and a 1973 26'-3 # 1460 Parrot green Seqouia Known as the Big Green, And sold my 1973 26'-2 # 581 White Canyon lands under the name Dobbelt trøbbel in Norway

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium [message #259013 is a reply to message #259011]

Sat, 16 August 2014 05:37

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And I sent you a PM

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium [message #259097 is a reply to message #259013]

Sun, 17 August 2014 09:17

appie

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Now back at campste neat workshop
Got the adjustment right, doing opposite manny recommandation. The manual says adjust at N Manny said at P Only way I could make it work is at 1 th

So thats good

Everything else stinks Slipping got worse and worse, can onlu accalerat by putting my foot down, revs going up 800-1000 with Olga slowly lugging behind Sure cant use much of the 700 Nm Dick Paterson gave me
Now she also starts shaking when I push her.

Wonder what they'll say at the workshop tomrrow

Appie eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold 6 wheel discbrake Quadrabags Springfield stage 2 462 olds Manny tranny ( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016 Denmark

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium( back in the Netherlands) [message #259220 is a reply to message #259097]

Mon, 18 August 2014 07:54

appie

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Been to the workshop

They regonized the problem and are very nice about it The verdict at the moment is the ( no idear what its called) one way clutch in the converter stator It is still the original converter that was cleanded.
Wenedsday she goes in the workshop and hopefully we will be driving again Thursday evening

ofcourse everything on warranty and a free rentalcar

Appie eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold 6 wheel discbrake Quadrabags Springfield stage 2 462 olds Manny tranny ( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016 Denmark

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium( back in the Netherlands) [message #259231 is a reply to message #259220]

Mon, 18 August 2014 09:38

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The one way clutch/roller is called a sprag (well here in norway it is) the good thing is that they have to take the transmission apart to change it and they will for sure inspect the other parts while they are working on it.

And if they take the differential out make sure that they replace the driveshaft bolts, they can only be torqued down once, if they do not change then they will fall off and make problems later.

And maybe this time you could also have them to check your kick down and that it does shift up and down as it should ?

Warrenty and a rental is great Smile

Smile

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium( back in the Netherlands) [message #259235 is a reply to message #259231]

Mon, 18 August 2014 11:39

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Yes, the person that rebuilt the transmission can put the sprag in backwards. This happened to Glen Herzberger who brought his transmission to a fellow recommended by Bob Drewes. He drove it a couple of hundred miles each way in his car and then found that he had to return it again to have it redone.
At the time I called Manny and described the symptoms and he correctly diagnosed it over the phone as a incorrectly placed sprag.

Emery Stora

On Aug 18, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Espen Heitmann wrote:

> The one way clutch/roller is called a sprag (well here in norway it is) the good thing is that they have to take the transmission apart to change it
> and they will for sure inspect the other parts while they are working on it.
>
> And if they take the differential out make sure that they replace the driveshaft bolts, they can only be torqued down once, if they do not change then
> they will fall off and make problems later.
>
> And maybe this time you could also have them to check your kick down and that it does shift up and down as it should ?
>
> Warrenty and a rental is great :)
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> And just sold my 1973 26'-2 # 581 White Canyon lands under the name Dobbelt trøbbel
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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium( back in the Netherlands) [message #259237 is a reply to message #259235]

Mon, 18 August 2014 11:44

Loffen

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Hmm... makes my wonder if the TH400 has the sprag mounted the other way than a TH425 ? that could explain it as most guys are not used to work on the TH425.

1973 23' # 1848 Sky Blue Glacier called Baby Blue and a 1973 26'-3 # 1460 Parrot green Seqouia Known as the Big Green, And sold my 1973 26'-2 # 581 White Canyon lands under the name Dobbelt trøbbel in Norway

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Re: [GMCnet] Olga now in Belgium( back in the Netherlands) [message #259244 is a reply to message #259237]

Mon, 18 August 2014 12:39

appie

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That is a interesting thought Espen Somebody knows about that ?
Anyway I will take it up with them tomorrow

They told me that the all but 1 bolts on the drive axels were loose ! I will order new ones and change them afterwards Keeping a eye on them meanwhile

Appie eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold 6 wheel discbrake Quadrabags Springfield stage 2 462 olds Manny tranny ( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016 Denmark

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