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Re: Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256434 is a reply to message #256433] Thu, 24 July 2014 21:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have a 77 Royale, (Same color), but I have a plastic black holding tank. Its the rear most tank, then the grey water, then fuel up a bit more. Just as you describe.

Have never seen an aluminum one. I cant say for sure if its original or not, but for whats its worth, that seems to be a whole lot better than plastic. You can weld aluminum if needed, and it would probably afford much more protection from road debris, or the occasional drag on something.

The PO on mine must have run over something pretty serious because the rear most end of it is basically blown off. (Im going to be replacing my black tank in the very near future). The only options I have found are plastic.

The only down side I can see is if "material" sticks better to aluminum than to plastic. Possibly too some of the chemicals used in the tank would not interact well with aluminum?


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Re: Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256436 is a reply to message #256434] Thu, 24 July 2014 21:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256441 is a reply to message #256433] Thu, 24 July 2014 22:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Joe,

I have a Birchaven (also by Coachmen) and it has a metal black tank in the same place as yours. The install was rather rough looking and the routing of the drain lines was suspect, so I always wondered if it was stock...I guess not. I guess the plastic proved to be not up to the task.

I'd Imagine there was a spell before the interwebs where folks had to homebrew repairs without much support..


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Re: Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256442 is a reply to message #256436] Thu, 24 July 2014 22:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JoeC wrote on Thu, 24 July 2014 21:56
Thanks Wayne. I certainly agree that aluminum is not the best choice for a holding tank - especially a black one. Based on the fact that this tank has taken a beating I would suspect a PO got tired of the plastic one being ripped out. The drain system was an abberation also and had been ripped off by a tow company when my previous owner had to be towed. All the broken pieces were just thrown in the coach when I got it - but the aluminun tank was intact. I have actually replumbed the drain system since I took the photo showing the tank installed. I figured out a way to use 3 inch pipe rather than the 4 and 5 inch stuff that was on it. I added a macerator and installed a flexible elbow with the thought that it would provide a little flex and maybe keep me from tearing the drain system off.

Is it possible for you to give me the capacity and dimensions of the tank on your coach? A photo would help also, if you have one. That information would help me determine which tank I need to search for. I talked to a couple of the companies that provide GMC tanks but could not really determine which size tank to get since my only point of reference was the aluminum tank. It is only about a 16 gallon tank and I want a larger one.

Thanks again for your response.
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Re: Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256443 is a reply to message #256436] Thu, 24 July 2014 22:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have a pair of 1977 rear bath Royale's and both have plastic tanks. I recently changed the gray tank with a slightly larger tank from Applied. I have a GMC-2 and a GMC-3 tank with both outlets facing each other with a macerator between them.Also have the capability to dump separatly if the pump takes a 'crap' Laughing Should be about 54 gallons total.
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Re: Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256445 is a reply to message #256441] Thu, 24 July 2014 22:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: [GMCnet] Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256446 is a reply to message #256436] Thu, 24 July 2014 22:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Royal was done by Coachman, they all had 2 tanks.
We can supply you a sketch as to how to get maximum capacity.
The late Duane Simmons came up with a fairly good one that uses the GMC 2
and GMC 3 tanks facing each.
Other, difference would be the rear bath or the side bath.
Most people call us and we give them answers. Why are you afraid to call.
We supply the toll free line as can answer almost all your questions or
concern or refer you to any on of the GMC shop people.
I do speak English so you can understand me.
If you start rattling off, I will tell you to shut up and listen.



On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Joe Crutchfield <
joe.crutchfield@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Wayne. I certainly agree that aluminum is not the best choice for
> a holding tank - especially a black one. Based on the fact that this tank
> has taken a beating I would suspect a PO got tired of the plastic one
> being ripped out. The drain system was an abberation also and had been
> ripped
> off by a tow company when my previous owner had to be towed. All the
> broken pieces were just thrown in the coach when I got it - but the aluminun
> tank was intact. I have actually replumbed the drain system since I took
> the photo showing the tank installed. I figured out a way to use 3 inch
> pipe rather than the 4 and 5 inch stuff that was on it. I added a
> macerator and installed a flexible elbow with the thought that it would
> provide a
> little flex and maybe keep me from tearing the drain system off.
>
> Is it possible for you to give me the capacity and dimensions of the tank
> on your coach? A photo would help also, if you have one. That information
> would help me determine which tank I need to search for. I talked to a
> couple of the companies that provide GMC tanks but could not really
> determine
> which size tank to get since my only point of reference was the aluminum
> tank. It is only about a 16 gallon tank and I want a larger one.
>
> Thanks again for your response.
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> Middle Tennessee
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Re: [GMCnet] Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256447 is a reply to message #256446] Thu, 24 July 2014 22:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The late Clarence Buskirk use to fabricate the tanks out of aluminum, they
tend to oxidize rpidly as a black tank acid reacts with aluminum. .



On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Jim Kanomata wrote:

> The Royal was done by Coachman, they all had 2 tanks.
> We can supply you a sketch as to how to get maximum capacity.
> The late Duane Simmons came up with a fairly good one that uses the GMC 2
> and GMC 3 tanks facing each.
> Other, difference would be the rear bath or the side bath.
> Most people call us and we give them answers. Why are you afraid to call.
> We supply the toll free line as can answer almost all your questions or
> concern or refer you to any on of the GMC shop people.
> I do speak English so you can understand me.
> If you start rattling off, I will tell you to shut up and listen.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Joe Crutchfield joe.crutchfield@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Wayne. I certainly agree that aluminum is not the best choice for
>> a holding tank - especially a black one. Based on the fact that this tank
>> has taken a beating I would suspect a PO got tired of the plastic one
>> being ripped out. The drain system was an abberation also and had been
>> ripped
>> off by a tow company when my previous owner had to be towed. All the
>> broken pieces were just thrown in the coach when I got it - but the aluminun
>> tank was intact. I have actually replumbed the drain system since I took
>> the photo showing the tank installed. I figured out a way to use 3 inch
>> pipe rather than the 4 and 5 inch stuff that was on it. I added a
>> macerator and installed a flexible elbow with the thought that it would
>> provide a
>> little flex and maybe keep me from tearing the drain system off.
>>
>> Is it possible for you to give me the capacity and dimensions of the tank
>> on your coach? A photo would help also, if you have one. That information
>> would help me determine which tank I need to search for. I talked to a
>> couple of the companies that provide GMC tanks but could not really
>> determine
>> which size tank to get since my only point of reference was the aluminum
>> tank. It is only about a 16 gallon tank and I want a larger one.
>>
>> Thanks again for your response.
>> --
>> Joe Crutchfield
>> Middle Tennessee
>> 1977 Royale Rear Bath - 455 CI
>>
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> Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
>



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Re: Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256448 is a reply to message #256442] Thu, 24 July 2014 22:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256449 is a reply to message #256448] Thu, 24 July 2014 22:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JoeC wrote on Thu, 24 July 2014 22:31
Thanks Mr. Hamilton. Do you know if this is the same size tank and configuration as the original tank? I guess I need to call Jim K. and discuss this tank as a replacement for mine. It doesn't really have the capacity I was looking for but there is not a lot of room in that bay for anything much larger.
The Gray water tank Jim K has on the web says 35 gallons. Description has dimensions.

http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/903

You are right about Calling Jim K. He will help even if it doesn't make a sale.
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Re: Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256457 is a reply to message #256451] Thu, 24 July 2014 23:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry Joe, I haven't any pictures now. I know I need to learn how to post them but I haven't got there yet. I'm sure Jim's offer of a diagram would be what you need as I think it's probably the same as I did (with the addition of the pump).
Hal


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Re: [GMCnet] Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256459 is a reply to message #256446] Thu, 24 July 2014 23:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: [GMCnet] Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256460 is a reply to message #256449] Thu, 24 July 2014 23:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The tank Coachman used had a flange on the top perimeter.
They fastend it to the wood floor. TheGMC1-4 does not have the flanfe, so
we use a flat galvanized steel straps that we take rom our air filter
housing side.
I have spent time looking for sstandrd RV tanks, and started to realie that
the SOB units are deeeper and will not clear the ground.
These tanks come with a level sensors that utilze rubber that is expanded
by a screw.



On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 8:34 PM, A. wrote:

> JoeC wrote on Thu, 24 July 2014 22:31
>> Thanks Mr. Hamilton. Do you know if this is the same size tank and
> configuration as the original tank? I guess I need to call Jim K. and
> discuss
>> this tank as a replacement for mine. It doesn't really have the
> capacity I was looking for but there is not a lot of room in that bay for
> anything
>> much larger.
> The Gray water tank Jim K has on the web says 35 gallons. Description has
> dimensions.
>
> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/903
>
> You are right about Calling Jim K. He will help even if it doesn't make a
> sale.
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256464 is a reply to message #256459] Fri, 25 July 2014 00:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JoeC wrote on Thu, 24 July 2014 23:23
Wow! I don't know what I did to get a message like this from you Mr. Kanomata - especially on a public forum. It seems you are trying to make some sort of point at my expense. It would have been more appropriate for you to call me since you have my phone number. I just spoke to you this week on the phone and ordered a Dino board and oil filter seal for my Onan so I know you speak English.

I tried to participate in this forum once before, and just started posting again a few days ago, but it looks like that was a mistake. I thought the forum was established to provide information and help to ALL GMC owners. I admit that I am not very knowledgeable about the GMC and can't contribute much to help anyone at this time but had hoped, as time went by, I would be able to help someone along the way.

With all due respect to your knowledge of the GMC, and the service you provide, it sounds like you think we just "rattle off" and we are to just "listen" to you and do everything you say. I would think that most customers would just hang up - I know I would - if you told them to "shut up".

By the way, you didn't send me an e-mail regarding my order as you promised you would.
Jim K meant no offense. And he was not trying to make a point at your expense. Text without tones and facial expressions and body language is easily misinterpreted, and Jim K's posts can be pretty abstract. Look for the useful information in Jim K's post (and everyone else's) and ignore everything that does not contribute to solving a problem.
Re: [GMCnet] Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256468 is a reply to message #256464] Fri, 25 July 2014 05:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi all:

We have a 1976 Royale Rear Bath that doesn't try to tear it's black tank off when leaving gas stations.
It has a Jim Kanomata/ Nick Guttierrez set up with a mascerator and manual drain between the tanks. The big problem is that the 19 gallon Black Tank fills up pretty quickly when dry camping. Next time I'd opt for a one tank set up. BTW ours is unique in that we have a Marine Toilet with a built-in mascerator supplying the the Black Tank.

Jack Kincaid, Castro Valley, CA



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JoeC wrote on Thu, 24 July 2014 23:23
> Wow! I don't know what I did to get a message like this from you Mr. Kanomata - especially on a public forum. It seems you are trying to make
> some sort of point at my expense. It would have been more appropriate for you to call me since you have my phone number. I just spoke to you this
> week on the phone and ordered a Dino board and oil filter seal for my Onan so I know you speak English.
>
> I tried to participate in this forum once before, and just started posting again a few days ago, but it looks like that was a mistake. I thought
> the forum was established to provide information and help to ALL GMC owners. I admit that I am not very knowledgeable about the GMC and can't
> contribute much to help anyone at this time but had hoped, as time went by, I would be able to help someone along the way.
>
> With all due respect to your knowledge of the GMC, and the service you provide, it sounds like you think we just "rattle off" and we are to just
> "listen" to you and do everything you say. I would think that most customers would just hang up - I know I would - if you told them to "shut up".
>
>
> By the way, you didn't send me an e-mail regarding my order as you promised you would.
Jim K meant no offense. And he was not trying to make a point at your expense. Text without tones and facial expressions and body language is easily
misinterpreted, and Jim K's posts can be pretty abstract. Look for the useful information in Jim K's post (and everyone else's) and ignore everything
that does not contribute to solving a problem.
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Re: Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256472 is a reply to message #256433] Fri, 25 July 2014 07:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Pretty sure the black tank I have is 19 gallons.

Looks just like this.
Since half is missing (literally) measurements probably wouldnt help.

FWIW, there are separate dump valves set up so one tank can be dumped and the other not dumped if needed.

This is what it looks like though, I think the Applied writeup indicated fitment for most Coachmans, which ours would qualify.

http://www.golbymotorcorp.com/gmc-parts/63/22/body/water-holding-tanks/tank-black-water-detail.html


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Re: [GMCnet] Do you have a 1977 Royale? [message #256473 is a reply to message #256459] Fri, 25 July 2014 07:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Joe,

I must have missed something! All I've read are the usual helpful comments
from JimK, all stated in Kanomatese (which some may have a little trouble
interpreting, it not being a widely spoken one). Certainly I saw nothing
demeaning, insulting, nor belittling. I've known JimK for 12+ years and
have never known him to do that.

Generally, you won't be treated discourteously here because those who would
do so soon find themselves unwelcome.

JMHO,

Ken H.


On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Joe Crutchfield <
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> Wow! I don't know what I did to get a message like this from you Mr.
> Kanomata - especially on a public forum.

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For what it's worth I would never go from a two tank holding system to one. Especially if you dry camp. It's was to collect more water when you run out and if you shower too much the grey tank can usually be purged where parked. Would not try that with only one tank.

Todd Sullivan

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Seattle

> On Jul 25, 2014, at 5:01 AM, Wayne Rogewski wrote:
>
> Pretty sure the black tank I have is 19 gallons.
>
> Looks just like this.
> Since half is missing (literally) measurements probably wouldnt help.
>
> FWIW, there are separate dump valves set up so one tank can be dumped and the other not dumped if needed.
>
> This is what it looks like though, I think the Applied writeup indicated fitment for most Coachmans, which ours would qualify.
>
> http://www.golbymotorcorp.com/gmc-parts/63/22/body/water-holding-tanks/tank-black-water-detail.html
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