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USAussie
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G'day,
Here's a SUPER brake booster Aux Vacuum Pump for our GMC's
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Continental-Electric-Vacuum-Pump-12VDC-Ford-A426C-/370691272503
I purchased two of them and they really SUCK! ;-)
At $115 with free shipping they are a bargain compared to anything else out there. If you read the blurb you will note that they
were meant to go in an electric vehicle sold in Europe that has been discontinued (Ford Azure). That means they were the ONLY vacuum
source for the brake booster so they had to be designed to be ultra reliable. I took one of these suckers apart and found that the
internals are very simple and crank / connecting rods run on bearings!
Because they have dual diaphragms they suck a lot more than any other pump on the market.
Unfortunately you will have to come up with a mounting bracket as none are available commercially.
If you buy one you will note that the plastic 3/8" barb fitting has a little tab that fits in a slot on the pump that keeps it from
rotating, with a small Dremel tool you can remove the barb and the fitting will rotate 360 degrees.
More photos:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6633-brake-booster-vacuum-pump.html
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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| Re: [GMCnet] SUPER Brake Booster Aux Vacuum Pump [message #255458 is a reply to message #255434] |
Tue, 15 July 2014 14:02  |
Ken Henderson
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Rob,
Thanks for the link. I'm tinkering with brakes a bit again so I ordered
one.
Just a few days ago I was redoing vacuum lines and decided to disconnect
the OLD Delco pump I've had on, but probably inoperative, for years. I
mounted the JC4 (which I've had for about 5 years) on the electric wiper
base, but haven't yet gotten around to connecting it -- partially because
I'm not enthusiastic about the 18-19 in-hg it produces. This sounds like a
better choice.
Have you yet designed a mounting bracket?
Ken H.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Rob Mueller
wrote:
> G'day,
>
> Here's a SUPER brake booster Aux Vacuum Pump for our GMC's
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Continental-Electric-Vacuum-Pump-12VDC-Ford-A426C-/370691272503
>
> I purchased two of them and they really SUCK! ;-)
>
> At $115 with free shipping they are a bargain compared to anything else
> out there. If you read the blurb you will note that they
> were meant to go in an electric vehicle sold in Europe that has been
> discontinued (Ford Azure). That means they were the ONLY vacuum
> source for the brake booster so they had to be designed to be ultra
> reliable. I took one of these suckers apart and found that the
> internals are very simple and crank / connecting rods run on bearings!
>
> Because they have dual diaphragms they suck a lot more than any other
> pump on the market.
>
> Unfortunately you will have to come up with a mounting bracket as none
> are available commercially.
>
> If you buy one you will note that the plastic 3/8" barb fitting has a
> little tab that fits in a slot on the pump that keeps it from
> rotating, with a small Dremel tool you can remove the barb and the
> fitting will rotate 360 degrees.
>
> More photos:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6633-brake-booster-vacuum-pump.html
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] SUPER Brake Booster Aux Vacuum Pump [message #255461 is a reply to message #255458] |
Tue, 15 July 2014 14:32 |
emerystora
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This is identical to the one I purchased from Dave Lenzi at the Montgomery convention.
He also sell a nicely machined adapter that fits into the booster that has a check valve and a pressure regulator and a vacuum gauge. I'll take a picture and post it to the photos site. I didn't find it necessary to rotate the fitting. A simple bracket was made from two steel "l" brackets with 6" legs. I cut on leg to about 5" and drilled holes and attached it to the pump with metric bolts and secured the other leg to the firewall beneath the steering column. It works well.
Emery Stora
> On Jul 15, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Ken Henderson wrote:
>
> Rob,
>
> Thanks for the link. I'm tinkering with brakes a bit again so I ordered
> one.
>
> Just a few days ago I was redoing vacuum lines and decided to disconnect
> the OLD Delco pump I've had on, but probably inoperative, for years. I
> mounted the JC4 (which I've had for about 5 years) on the electric wiper
> base, but haven't yet gotten around to connecting it -- partially because
> I'm not enthusiastic about the 18-19 in-hg it produces. This sounds like a
> better choice.
>
> Have you yet designed a mounting bracket?
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Rob Mueller
> wrote:
>
>> G'day,
>>
>> Here's a SUPER brake booster Aux Vacuum Pump for our GMC's
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Continental-Electric-Vacuum-Pump-12VDC-Ford-A426C-/370691272503
>>
>> I purchased two of them and they really SUCK! ;-)
>>
>> At $115 with free shipping they are a bargain compared to anything else
>> out there. If you read the blurb you will note that they
>> were meant to go in an electric vehicle sold in Europe that has been
>> discontinued (Ford Azure). That means they were the ONLY vacuum
>> source for the brake booster so they had to be designed to be ultra
>> reliable. I took one of these suckers apart and found that the
>> internals are very simple and crank / connecting rods run on bearings!
>>
>> Because they have dual diaphragms they suck a lot more than any other
>> pump on the market.
>>
>> Unfortunately you will have to come up with a mounting bracket as none
>> are available commercially.
>>
>> If you buy one you will note that the plastic 3/8" barb fitting has a
>> little tab that fits in a slot on the pump that keeps it from
>> rotating, with a small Dremel tool you can remove the barb and the
>> fitting will rotate 360 degrees.
>>
>> More photos:
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6633-brake-booster-vacuum-pump.html
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| Re: [GMCnet] SUPER Brake Booster Aux Vacuum Pump [message #255463 is a reply to message #255461] |
Tue, 15 July 2014 15:04 |
Ken Henderson
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Emery,
I take it it's quiet enough, or runs so seldom, that you found no need for
isolators?
Ken H.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
> This is identical to the one I purchased from Dave Lenzi at the Montgomery
> convention.
> He also sell a nicely machined adapter that fits into the booster that
> has a check valve and a pressure regulator and a vacuum gauge. I'll take a
> picture and post it to the photos site. I didn't find it necessary to
> rotate the fitting. A simple bracket was made from two steel "l" brackets
> with 6" legs. I cut on leg to about 5" and drilled holes and attached it
> to the pump with metric bolts and secured the other leg to the firewall
> beneath the steering column. It works well.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] SUPER Brake Booster Aux Vacuum Pump [message #255475 is a reply to message #255463] |
Tue, 15 July 2014 16:59 |
Bob de Kruyff
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Ken Henderson wrote on Tue, 15 July 2014 14:04Emery,
I take it it's quiet enough, or runs so seldom, that you found no need for
isolators?
Ken H.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
> This is identical to the one I purchased from Dave Lenzi at the Montgomery
> convention.
> He also sell a nicely machined adapter that fits into the booster that
> has a check valve and a pressure regulator and a vacuum gauge. I'll take a
> picture and post it to the photos site. I didn't find it necessary to
> rotate the fitting. A simple bracket was made from two steel "l" brackets
> with 6" legs. I cut on leg to about 5" and drilled holes and attached it
> to the pump with metric bolts and secured the other leg to the firewall
> beneath the steering column. It works well.
>
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I've been a strong proponent of a reserve tank rather than a pump, but that is such a nice looking unit that I had to buy one 
Bob de Kruyff
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| Re: [GMCnet] SUPER Brake Booster Aux Vacuum Pump [message #255483 is a reply to message #255458] |
Tue, 15 July 2014 17:42 |
powerjon
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I also bought one today to replace the JC4 which I have mounted up front. I will look forward to seeing the pictures of your unit Emory.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion
Michigan
On Jul 15, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Ken Henderson wrote:
> Rob,
>
> Thanks for the link. I'm tinkering with brakes a bit again so I ordered
> one.
>
> Just a few days ago I was redoing vacuum lines and decided to disconnect
> the OLD Delco pump I've had on, but probably inoperative, for years. I
> mounted the JC4 (which I've had for about 5 years) on the electric wiper
> base, but haven't yet gotten around to connecting it -- partially because
> I'm not enthusiastic about the 18-19 in-hg it produces. This sounds like a
> better choice.
>
> Have you yet designed a mounting bracket?
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Rob Mueller
> wrote:
>
>> G'day,
>>
>> Here's a SUPER brake booster Aux Vacuum Pump for our GMC's
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Continental-Electric-Vacuum-Pump-12VDC-Ford-A426C-/370691272503
>>
>> I purchased two of them and they really SUCK! ;-)
>>
>> At $115 with free shipping they are a bargain compared to anything else
>> out there. If you read the blurb you will note that they
>> were meant to go in an electric vehicle sold in Europe that has been
>> discontinued (Ford Azure). That means they were the ONLY vacuum
>> source for the brake booster so they had to be designed to be ultra
>> reliable. I took one of these suckers apart and found that the
>> internals are very simple and crank / connecting rods run on bearings!
>>
>> Because they have dual diaphragms they suck a lot more than any other
>> pump on the market.
>>
>> Unfortunately you will have to come up with a mounting bracket as none
>> are available commercially.
>>
>> If you buy one you will note that the plastic 3/8" barb fitting has a
>> little tab that fits in a slot on the pump that keeps it from
>> rotating, with a small Dremel tool you can remove the barb and the
>> fitting will rotate 360 degrees.
>>
>> More photos:
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6633-brake-booster-vacuum-pump.html
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] SUPER Brake Booster Aux Vacuum Pump [message #255484 is a reply to message #255434] |
Tue, 15 July 2014 18:08 |
Guy Lopes
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Wow, he's selling these like hotcakes! I just bought one as well. I also
bought an Oldsmobile emblem from him ($5.00) that I think will look good
cemented to my air cleaner. Lol
Guy Lopes
76 Birchaven "Orion"
Sacramento, CA
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Subject: [GMCnet] SUPER Brake Booster Aux Vacuum Pump
G'day,
Here's a SUPER brake booster Aux Vacuum Pump for our GMC's
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Continental-Electric-Vacuum-Pump-12VDC-Ford-A42
6C-/370691272503
I purchased two of them and they really SUCK! ;-)
At $115 with free shipping they are a bargain compared to anything else out
there. If you read the blurb you will note that they were meant to go in an
electric vehicle sold in Europe that has been discontinued (Ford Azure).
That means they were the ONLY vacuum source for the brake booster so they
had to be designed to be ultra reliable. I took one of these suckers apart
and found that the internals are very simple and crank / connecting rods run
on bearings!
Because they have dual diaphragms they suck a lot more than any other pump
on the market.
Unfortunately you will have to come up with a mounting bracket as none are
available commercially.
If you buy one you will note that the plastic 3/8" barb fitting has a little
tab that fits in a slot on the pump that keeps it from rotating, with a
small Dremel tool you can remove the barb and the fitting will rotate 360
degrees.
More photos:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6633-brake-booster-vacuum-pump.html
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426 AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak
TZE365V100428
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| Re: [GMCnet] SUPER Brake Booster Aux Vacuum Pump [message #255492 is a reply to message #255463] |
Tue, 15 July 2014 18:49 |
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It can be heard when it runs but
Emery
> On Jul 15, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Ken Henderson wrote:
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> Emery,
>
> I take it it's quiet enough, or runs so seldom, that you found no need for
> isolators?
>
> Ken H.
>
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
>>
>> This is identical to the one I purchased from Dave Lenzi at the Montgomery
>> convention.
>> He also sell a nicely machined adapter that fits into the booster that
>> has a check valve and a pressure regulator and a vacuum gauge. I'll take a
>> picture and post it to the photos site. I didn't find it necessary to
>> rotate the fitting. A simple bracket was made from two steel "l" brackets
>> with 6" legs. I cut on leg to about 5" and drilled holes and attached it
>> to the pump with metric bolts and secured the other leg to the firewall
>> beneath the steering column. It works well.
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| Re: [GMCnet] SUPER Brake Booster Aux Vacuum Pump [message #255495 is a reply to message #255475] |
Tue, 15 July 2014 19:03 |
Ken Henderson
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Bob,
The PVC reserve tank I've had installed for the past 12-13 years is the
reason I haven't worried about the status of the Delco pump. This new
pump, like that one, will be redundant with the tank. But I plan to
monitor it more closely. And if it's as good as Rob says, it will probably
provide more vacuum than the tank usually holds.
Ken H.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Bob de Kruyff wrote:
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> I've been a strong proponent of a reserve tank rather than a pump, but
> that is such a nice looking unit that I had to buy one :)
> --
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| Re: [GMCnet] SUPER Brake Booster Aux Vacuum Pump [message #255510 is a reply to message #255434] |
Tue, 15 July 2014 20:17 |
kerry pinkerton
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Yes, this appears to be the same the unit that Dave Lenzi used in his test rig at Montgomery. As Rob said, it really sucks. It goes from nothing to full vacuum in a second or two. So quiet you can't hear it running inside the coach. I can hear my JC4 with the engine on and it leaks down so it runs from time to time.
Dave also has some super duper check valves. I have yet to install mine. I'll make up an aluminum bracket and probably put some rubber isolators on it just to protect it from bumps and jars.
As far as size goes, it's about 5" long and 4 tall and 4 wide...or thereabouts. Doesn't weight much.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] SUPER Brake Booster Aux Vacuum Pump [message #255518 is a reply to message #255483] |
Tue, 15 July 2014 21:57 |
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powerjon wrote on Tue, 15 July 2014 15:42I also bought one today to replace the JC4 which I have mounted up front. I will look forward to seeing the pictures of your unit Emory.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion
Michigan
This is just what I love about this forum. I just installed a JC-4 last year and now I find that it has been replaced as the forum favorite. 
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] SUPER Brake Booster Aux Vacuum Pump [message #255522 is a reply to message #255519] |
Tue, 15 July 2014 22:39 |
Carl S.
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SteveW wrote on Tue, 15 July 2014 20:09Carl -
I know EXACTLY what you mean...
Kind of related to the recent thread about unfinished projects - my JC4 is still waiting to be installed and I purchased one of these too !!
There'll be a new JC4 in the classifieds pretty soon. I think I even have the mounting bracket...
Steve W
1973 23'
Southern California
Go for it Steve. I'm going to stick with the JC-4. I'm sure it is adequate.
Another thing I love about this forum is that even though I have never had a major problem with the coach in six years and 22,000 miles, I am getting nervous about the week long trip we have planned beginning this Saturday. I read about all this gloom and doom and can't help but wonder what horrible thing is going to happen to me. I should probably take a hiatus from the net for a few weeks before a trip. I suspect this trip will come off without a hitch like all the other ones, but I can't help but feel uneasy.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] SUPER Brake Booster Aux Vacuum Pump [message #255529 is a reply to message #255522] |
Tue, 15 July 2014 23:00 |
Mr ERFisher
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And
And
Let's see how the install is
And
And
Are they still available
I will stick with the JC4
But like options
Erf
On Tuesday, July 15, 2014, Carl Stouffer wrote:
> SteveW wrote on Tue, 15 July 2014 20:09
>> Carl -
>>
>> I know EXACTLY what you mean...
>>
>> Kind of related to the recent thread about unfinished projects - my JC4
> is still waiting to be installed and I purchased one of these too !!
>>
>> There'll be a new JC4 in the classifieds pretty soon. I think I even
> have the mounting bracket...
>>
>> Steve W
>> 1973 23'
>> Southern California
>
>
>
> Go for it Steve. I'm going to stick with the JC-4. I'm sure it is
> adequate.
>
> Another thing I love about this forum is that even though I have never had
> a major problem with the coach in six years and 22,000 miles, I am getting
> nervous about the week long trip we have planned beginning this Saturday.
> I read about all this gloom and doom and can't help but wonder what
> horrible thing is going to happen to me. I should probably take a hiatus
> from the net for a few weeks before a trip. I suspect this trip will come
> off without a hitch like all the other ones, but I can't help but feel
> uneasy.
>
>
>
> --
> Carl Stouffer
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] SUPER Brake Booster Aux Vacuum Pump [message #255552 is a reply to message #255434] |
Wed, 16 July 2014 05:55 |
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That same guy has been selling those for a couple of years on ebay. He must have bought a couple of pallets of them. Obviously Ford did not use them after they bought them. I wonder why.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] SUPER Brake Booster Aux Vacuum Pump [message #255558 is a reply to message #255552] |
Wed, 16 July 2014 06:47 |
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Ken Burton wrote on Wed, 16 July 2014 05:55... Obviously Ford did not use them after they bought them. I wonder why.
Dave said the car never went into production.
Kerry Pinkerton - North Alabama
Had 5 over the years. Currently have a '06 Fleetwood Discovery 39L
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| Re: [GMCnet] SUPER Brake Booster Aux Vacuum Pump [message #255560 is a reply to message #255533] |
Wed, 16 July 2014 07:25 |
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""Bob,
As a former GM executive buying a pump for a FORD must have been painful!
VVVVBG!
Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
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It is one of the bigger regrets in my life
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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