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[GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253571] |
Sat, 28 June 2014 19:59 |
Len Novak
Messages: 676 Registered: February 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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I plugged the coach into the same outlet as always for shore power. The GFI
in the outlet pops. I reset it, it pops again. Never happened before.
I flipped all the circuit breakers to "off" in the coach and then turned
them on one by one.
When I turned on the water heater and main, the GFI popped. I manually
turned off the switch for the water heater, all is well, turn it on.the GFI
pops.
I turned on the fridge using ac, the GFI pops.
Anything plugged into the three outlets below the water heater switch will
pop the GFI such as..
The 12 vdc converter (boondocker), plug it in the GFI pops.....but, if I
plug in the microwave to any of those three outlets it powers up just fine.
I plugged in a different converter, with no load on it, the GFI pops.
I plugged the boondocker directly to the same outlet I use for shore power
and it runs just fine powering the coach. I run an extension from any
outlet in the coach to the boondocker when the coach is connected to the
outlet used for shore power, the GFI pops.
While this is going on not once did any of the circuit breakers or fuses in
the coach pop.
I pulled everything apart, check all the connections, tightened all the
screw post on the water heater switch, outlet, and circuit breaker box.
Just for grind I tried all of the above with a different shore power outlet,
same results.
I'm baffled
Len and Pat
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253572 is a reply to message #253571] |
Sat, 28 June 2014 20:04 |
lotsofspareparts
Messages: 726 Registered: May 2014 Location: Arlington, WA
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Could be a bad GFCI outlet.
Can't handle a big load.
Plug a vacuum cleaner into it, turn the vacuum on and see if it pops.
Jared
I am only offering my suggestion on this because I used to wire new houses and do remodels.
GFCI outlets can fail.
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253573 is a reply to message #253572] |
Sat, 28 June 2014 20:09 |
Len Novak
Messages: 676 Registered: February 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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I tried it on two different GFI outlets, same results. The boondocker is now running off the same GFI outlet that popped. Rather that plug the boondocker into the outlets in the elect closet I ran an extension direct to the boondocker to power the coach. This one really confuses me.
Len and Pat
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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Could be a bad GFCI outlet.
Can't handle a big load.
Plug a vacuum cleaner into it, turn the vacuum on and see if it pops.
Jared
I am only offering my suggestion on this because I used to wire new houses and do remodels.
GFCI outlets can fail.
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Daughter: Alina Lazaron 7yrs old
77 Eleganza II "Recherché"
GO SEAHAWKS!!
Arlington, WA 98223
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253574 is a reply to message #253571] |
Sat, 28 June 2014 20:08 |
James Hupy
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Change out the GFI. They fail quite often.
Jim Hupy
On Jun 28, 2014 5:59 PM, "Len Novak" wrote:
> I plugged the coach into the same outlet as always for shore power. The
> GFI
> in the outlet pops. I reset it, it pops again. Never happened before.
>
> I flipped all the circuit breakers to "off" in the coach and then turned
> them on one by one.
>
> When I turned on the water heater and main, the GFI popped. I manually
> turned off the switch for the water heater, all is well, turn it on.the GFI
> pops.
>
> I turned on the fridge using ac, the GFI pops.
>
> Anything plugged into the three outlets below the water heater switch will
> pop the GFI such as..
>
> The 12 vdc converter (boondocker), plug it in the GFI pops.....but, if I
> plug in the microwave to any of those three outlets it powers up just fine.
>
> I plugged in a different converter, with no load on it, the GFI pops.
>
> I plugged the boondocker directly to the same outlet I use for shore power
> and it runs just fine powering the coach. I run an extension from any
> outlet in the coach to the boondocker when the coach is connected to the
> outlet used for shore power, the GFI pops.
>
> While this is going on not once did any of the circuit breakers or fuses in
> the coach pop.
>
> I pulled everything apart, check all the connections, tightened all the
> screw post on the water heater switch, outlet, and circuit breaker box.
>
> Just for grind I tried all of the above with a different shore power
> outlet,
> same results.
>
> I'm baffled
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Len and Pat
> 1978 GMC Kingsley
> The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
> Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>
> www.bdub.net/novak/
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253575 is a reply to message #253571] |
Sat, 28 June 2014 20:14 |
lotsofspareparts
Messages: 726 Registered: May 2014 Location: Arlington, WA
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By chance, has it been raining recently?
Jared
edit, and only because I am OCD I felt the need to include this...
They are actually referred to as GFCI outlets. Ground Fault Circuit Interruption Outlet.
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253576 is a reply to message #253574] |
Sat, 28 June 2014 20:13 |
Len Novak
Messages: 676 Registered: February 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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First thing in the am, can't hurt but the odds of two GFI's going belly up
are slim.
Len and Pat
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James Hupy
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 6:09 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem
Change out the GFI. They fail quite often.
Jim Hupy
On Jun 28, 2014 5:59 PM, "Len Novak" wrote:
> I plugged the coach into the same outlet as always for shore power.
> The GFI in the outlet pops. I reset it, it pops again. Never
> happened before.
>
> I flipped all the circuit breakers to "off" in the coach and then
> turned them on one by one.
>
> When I turned on the water heater and main, the GFI popped. I
> manually turned off the switch for the water heater, all is well, turn
> it on.the GFI pops.
>
> I turned on the fridge using ac, the GFI pops.
>
> Anything plugged into the three outlets below the water heater switch
> will pop the GFI such as..
>
> The 12 vdc converter (boondocker), plug it in the GFI pops.....but, if
> I plug in the microwave to any of those three outlets it powers up just
fine.
>
> I plugged in a different converter, with no load on it, the GFI pops.
>
> I plugged the boondocker directly to the same outlet I use for shore
> power and it runs just fine powering the coach. I run an extension
> from any outlet in the coach to the boondocker when the coach is
> connected to the outlet used for shore power, the GFI pops.
>
> While this is going on not once did any of the circuit breakers or
> fuses in the coach pop.
>
> I pulled everything apart, check all the connections, tightened all
> the screw post on the water heater switch, outlet, and circuit breaker
box.
>
> Just for grind I tried all of the above with a different shore power
> outlet, same results.
>
> I'm baffled
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Len and Pat
> 1978 GMC Kingsley
> The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
> Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>
> www.bdub.net/novak/
>
>
>
>
>
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1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253578 is a reply to message #253575] |
Sat, 28 June 2014 20:23 |
Otterwan
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Check your grounds. If I recall correctly a GFI will not work properly if there is no ground. On both my coaches the 110 ground(s) are solid copper wire run to clamps on the frame. One looked pretty good, the other was quite corroded but cleaned up nicely. One was on the passenger side directly below the breaker panel, the other was on the driver side just ahead of the Onan.
1977 Birchaven, Lynnwood WA - "We may not be able to stop all evil in the world, but I know that how we treat one another is entirely up to us."
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253583 is a reply to message #253571] |
Sat, 28 June 2014 20:39 |
glenn2726
Messages: 234 Registered: June 2014 Location: Topeka, Kansas
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Have you changed anything electrical in the coach lately? Any damage to your electrical cord from the coach to the house? Check your ground on the electrical cord to make sure it is good. If you're using an adapter to go from 50 amps to lesser amperage check to make sure it is good. What amp size is the house outlet wired to? It could be you have a floating ground issue in the camper and need to look at the grounds. Also if your water heater does not have water in it then the heater element could be burnt our and shorting..that would cause this problem...you said when you turned the water heater off it didn't kick the breaker so I would look there..Glenn
Glenn W
Topeka, KS
1974 GMC 26 ft. Color:Camel Interior:Canyon Land
Side Bath, Rear Sitting Area
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253584 is a reply to message #253578] |
Sat, 28 June 2014 20:41 |
lotsofspareparts
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Otterwan wrote on Sat, 28 June 2014 18:23Check your grounds. If I recall correctly a GFI will not work properly if there is no ground. On both my coaches the 110 ground(s) are solid copper wire run to clamps on the frame. One looked pretty good, the other was quite corroded but cleaned up nicely. One was on the passenger side directly below the breaker panel, the other was on the driver side just ahead of the Onan.
Dave is correct, They are designed to trip if there is "Ground Fault"
Jared
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253619 is a reply to message #253572] |
Sun, 29 June 2014 01:19 |
Ken Burton
Messages: 10030 Registered: January 2004 Location: Hebron, Indiana
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Physically disconnect the water heater element, both the white and the black leads. You probably have a heating element shorting through the water in the tank to the grounded case of the water heater. You can easily disconnect these in the AC breaker box. Make sure you disconnect BOTH the white and black leads, then try the other electrical things again.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253626 is a reply to message #253619] |
Sun, 29 June 2014 07:40 |
rjw
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Ken Burton wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 02:19Physically disconnect the water heater element, both the white and the black leads. You probably have a heating element shorting through the water in the tank to the grounded case of the water heater. You can easily disconnect these in the AC breaker box. Make sure you disconnect BOTH the white and black leads, then try the other electrical things again.
Ken, I think you hit the nail on the head, at least in my case. I had a similar problem early this year. It turned out the water heater element was burned out. I changed it and all worked again normally. It was annoying because we were in a hurry to leave below zero weather in Michigan for Florida and we only had a day to get ready in order to avoid a winter storm. Somehow I had neglected to turn the water heater off when I was winterizing the previous fall.
Richard
76 Palm Beach
SE Michigan
www.PalmBeachGMC.com
Roller Cam 455, TBI+EBL, 3.42 FD, 4 Bag, Macerator, Lenzi (brakes, vacuum system, front end stuff), Manny Tranny, vacuum step, Tankless + OEM water heaters.
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253648 is a reply to message #253626] |
Sun, 29 June 2014 12:03 |
Len Novak
Messages: 676 Registered: February 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Just for grins I plugged into an outlet in the house, non GFI. Everything
works.
Suspect a bad GFI
Len and Pat
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 5:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem
Ken Burton wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 02:19
> Physically disconnect the water heater element, both the white and the
> black leads. You probably have a heating element shorting through the
> water in the tank to the grounded case of the water heater. You can
easily disconnect these in the AC breaker box. Make sure you disconnect
BOTH the white and black leads, then try the other electrical things again.
Ken, I think you hit the nail on the head, at least in my case. I had a
similar problem early this year. It turned out the water heater element was
burned out. I changed it and all worked again normally. It was annoying
because we were in a hurry to leave below zero weather in Michigan for
Florida and we only had a day to get ready in order to avoid a winter storm.
Somehow I had neglected to turn the water heater off when I was winterizing
the previous fall.
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Richard
76 Palm Beach
SE Michigan
www.PalmBeachGMC.com
Coop Roller Cam 455, Howell TBI + EBL, 3.42 FD, Quadra Bag, Macerator, Manny
Tranny etc.
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http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253654 is a reply to message #253571] |
Sun, 29 June 2014 13:36 |
glenn2726
Messages: 234 Registered: June 2014 Location: Topeka, Kansas
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As I said earlier the water heater is suspect due to the fact that when you had it powered off at the circuit breaker then everything was ok, soon as you powered it back up it kicked the GFI, so to me it still seems like the water heater is causing the ground fault. Connecting it to a circuit without a GFI could lead to getting a shock in the coach as there could be enough voltage leakage but not enough to kick a standard breaker..so to be safe check out the water heater. Glenn
Glenn W
Topeka, KS
1974 GMC 26 ft. Color:Camel Interior:Canyon Land
Side Bath, Rear Sitting Area
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253655 is a reply to message #253654] |
Sun, 29 June 2014 13:53 |
Len Novak
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Yep, next step, as the new GFI popped when I plugged in the coach.
Len and Pat
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Whitt
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem
As I said earlier the water heater is suspect due to the fact that when you
had it powered off at the circuit breaker then everything was ok, soon as
you powered it back up it kicked the GFI, so to me it still seems like the
water heater is causing the ground fault. Connecting it to a circuit
without a GFI could lead to getting a shock in the coach as there could be
enough voltage leakage but not enough to kick a standard breaker..so to be
safe check out the water heater. Glenn
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Glenn W
Topeka, KS
1974 GMC 26 ft. Desert Sand
Side Bath
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Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253669 is a reply to message #253655] |
Sun, 29 June 2014 16:45 |
midlf
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On a GFCI the current going out has to equal the current coming back. If you have some type of leakage from a white (neutral) wire to ground some of the current will leak back and not go back through the GFCI and it will trip. If you have a connection between the white wire and ground everything will work correctly when not plugged into a GFCI. However if you do not have the coach properly grounded you could get quite a poke when touching the GMC and standing on the ground. Think grabbing the handle to get in.
So what is most likely happening to your GMC. Many have suggested the water heater element. If the element has gone bad internally near the white wire end it will work, but leak current enough to trip the GFCI. If the failure point was near the black lead (hot) it would blow the fuse. As was stated, if you disconnect both the white and the black leads at the water heater element and now it does not blow the fuse it is the element.
GFCI's protect you against bad wiring or devices that can cause a shock. The problem does not have to be on the hot side of the system.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253677 is a reply to message #253669] |
Sun, 29 June 2014 17:00 |
Len Novak
Messages: 676 Registered: February 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Next step is to disconnect both wires at the element for the hot water
heater.
Len and Pat
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Southworth
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:46 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem
On a GFCI the current going out has to equal the current coming back. If
you have some type of leakage from a white (neutral) wire to ground some of
the current will leak back and not go back through the GFCI and it will
trip. If you have a connection between the white wire and ground everything
will work correctly when not plugged into a GFCI. However if you do not
have the coach properly grounded you could get quite a poke when touching
the GMC and standing on the ground. Think grabbing the handle to get in.
So what is most likely happening to your GMC. Many have suggested the water
heater element. If the element has gone bad internally near the white wire
end it will work, but leak current enough to trip the GFCI. If the failure
point was near the black lead (hot) it would blow the fuse. As was stated,
if you disconnect both the white and the black leads at the water heater
element and now it does not blow the fuse it is the element.
GFCI's protect you against bad wiring or devices that can cause a shock.
The problem does not have to be on the hot side of the system.
--
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares) Palmyra WI
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Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253695 is a reply to message #253669] |
Sun, 29 June 2014 18:40 |
lotsofspareparts
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midlf wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 14:45On a GFCI the current going out has to equal the current coming back. If you have some type of leakage from a white (neutral) wire to ground some of the current will leak back and not go back through the GFCI and it will trip. If you have a connection between the white wire and ground everything will work correctly when not plugged into a GFCI. However if you do not have the coach properly grounded you could get quite a poke when touching the GMC and standing on the ground. Think grabbing the handle to get in.
So what is most likely happening to your GMC. Many have suggested the water heater element. If the element has gone bad internally near the white wire end it will work, but leak current enough to trip the GFCI. If the failure point was near the black lead (hot) it would blow the fuse. As was stated, if you disconnect both the white and the black leads at the water heater element and now it does not blow the fuse it is the element.
GFCI's protect you against bad wiring or devices that can cause a shock. The problem does not have to be on the hot side of the system.
Well said Steve, an exact description of how the GFCI works.
I can remember working on a previous employers 30+ something foot travel trailer and got a nice little tingle when I touched the frame or any unpainted metal on the exterior. I Didn't work for them much longer after that as I was being hired to build boats so never actually got to diagnose the issue further.
Does sound like the water heater element should be the first step.
Jared
Jared & Tina Lazaron + 14yr old Daughter.....
77 Eleganza II "Recherché".....
73 Canyon Lands 230 "Elephant"
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Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem [message #253700 is a reply to message #253669] |
Sun, 29 June 2014 19:20 |
Len Novak
Messages: 676 Registered: February 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Disconnected the wires to the water heater element at the element itself.
Everything works as advertised.
Thanks to all that chipped it.
Now I have to replace the element as well as the fridge.
Thanks,
Len and Pat
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Southworth
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:46 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Puzziling electrical problem
On a GFCI the current going out has to equal the current coming back. If
you have some type of leakage from a white (neutral) wire to ground some of
the current will leak back and not go back through the GFCI and it will
trip. If you have a connection between the white wire and ground everything
will work correctly when not plugged into a GFCI. However if you do not
have the coach properly grounded you could get quite a poke when touching
the GMC and standing on the ground. Think grabbing the handle to get in.
So what is most likely happening to your GMC. Many have suggested the water
heater element. If the element has gone bad internally near the white wire
end it will work, but leak current enough to trip the GFCI. If the failure
point was near the black lead (hot) it would blow the fuse. As was stated,
if you disconnect both the white and the black leads at the water heater
element and now it does not blow the fuse it is the element.
GFCI's protect you against bad wiring or devices that can cause a shock.
The problem does not have to be on the hot side of the system.
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Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares) Palmyra WI
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1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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