| I am in tears [message #251251] |
Sun, 01 June 2014 23:52  |
appie
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As you all know Olga was going to get new Paterson motor this he motor arrived from Canada and I had hired a higky recommended Scania mecanic to do the job with me as his assistent
From the beginning I did not feel confident
We had decided to take the clip to make it easy to do breaklines and cooler as well and new gearoillines
I could not get him to do it the usual way with the coach standing, pooling the clip forwards and then lifting the house of. No the way to do it wast the lift the whole front on the siderails and pulling the clip out with the forktruck. I felt this would put unnessesary strain on the whole frame.
Well pullig out the clip was not easy ( i guess it never is) but if you forget the exaust connection that is on the torsionbar crossmember and have to pul that to pieces it only gets worse
Oh well the engine went in and out without mayor problems and the giy was good at solving problems that would have let me strandet- like the new front motormount that has threads where the old one has bolts and inch bolts are not readely available here. It was no problem to cut new thread so we could use mm bolts
But he is the kind of mechanic that throws all parts around him on the floor resulting in 1 missing nut the holds the house to the frame one missing large nut that holds the as compressor ( is that the ugly noise I hear when the engine is running ?) 1 missing shroud bracket and 2brackets we do not know where belong
Oh well in the end the engine was running, a bit fast in idle as he did not want to adjust the new Paterson Qjet ( witch is fine , better leave it if you do not feel confident)
The steering wheel was of after he changed the boots( telling me it was easier if I took of the wheel and adjusted that)
he also gave me the broken exhaust mount to fix and the 2 brackets we do know where go
I asked him to testdrive it, witch he reclined I should do that- so I took it around the block and it seemed to ride ok a strange sound, but it is a different, motor and a differnt carb What do I know.
Any way I drive the 30 Mls home and am not happy I do not like the noise, it does not pull right and I feel it s a bit on the hot side over 90C
As I get along she does not change to 3th and I think well maybe we did lose some oil when we changed the lines ( mechanic said before I left that was not possible , and mu logic said he was right)
Then just before I came home I lost 2 as well slowly lugging in to my driveway So I checked the oil and found the stick dry The connection between the new oilline and the new cooler was leaking !
It might all work again when we add oil, but we never know what that has done to my nearly new manny trans ?
The strange noise may go away when I ad the missing nut on the compressor and add the 2 left over brackets the missing schroud bracket
The window wipers will work eventualy when all the air gets out
I can fix the exhaust bracket
I know somebody who can adjust the carb
But right now I feel like walking away from it
Anybody knows where the leftover bracket go, please let me know
 
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
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| Re: [GMCnet] I am in tears [message #251256 is a reply to message #251251] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 00:44  |
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Appie. I'm sorry for your day. Sometimes it's better to set it aside and not think about it for a little while. I had a similar experience when I bought The Pig. It looked like a decent deal with Alcoa hot shots, six wheel disc, newer appliances and a "rebuilt" engine. Not being a gear head I did not pursue a noise I heard in the motor at certain rpm and loads. I even paid the lying as$hole who sold it to me to perform other work on the motor( intake block off, instal tbi fuel injection, assist me with exhaust installation etc )only to find out later what he already knew. The engine had a bad rod bearing and that meant pulling it and a rebuild. I was pretty much kicked in the nuts a that point an wanted out. I had worked hard for a couple of years on this thing completely restoring the exterior and going through the rest of the vital systems with the comfort of knowing that well, at least I know the guts are solid. I parked The Pig in my shop and put the cover over it. The co
ver stayed on for two months and not only did I not work on it I refused to even let it distract my thoughts. I shopped for another rv. I saw the same thing which I saw prior to my purchase of The Pig- newer model motorhomes with no character and untrustworthy power trains. Or really nice huge ones with the appropriate price tag. Then I went full circle back to the GMC but I was going to buy a "finished" one. Then I saw the same thing I saw during my initial GMC search again- coaches which looked good and had rebuilt and replaced this and that but I knew I could not trust them or I would have to climb in and re fix stuff that had been "fixed". That revelation made me think of the ground I had covered and how there was a light near the end. I have the livin space fully functional and 90% finished. Some trim finishing left and the custom cockpit interior to finish and I'm 100% done. The coach is functional and we have been using it.
I've been keeping up with your odyssey and I can see you have gotten as deep as I. Maybe take a little break an re charge. It's what I had to do.
Todd Sullivan
Sully
77 royale
Seattle
> On Jun 1, 2014, at 9:52 PM, lenze middelberg wrote:
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> As you all know Olga was going to get new Paterson motor this he motor arrived from Canada and I had hired a higky recommended Scania mecanic to do
> the job with me as his assistent
> From the beginning I did not feel confident
> We had decided to take the clip to make it easy to do breaklines and cooler as well and new gearoillines
> I could not get him to do it the usual way with the coach standing, pooling the clip forwards and then lifting the house of. No the way to do it wast
> the lift the whole front on the siderails and pulling the clip out with the forktruck. I felt this would put unnessesary strain on the whole frame.
> Well pullig out the clip was not easy ( i guess it never is) but if you forget the exaust connection that is on the torsionbar crossmember and have to
> pul that to pieces it only gets worse
> Oh well the engine went in and out without mayor problems and the giy was good at solving problems that would have let me strandet- like the new front
> motormount that has threads where the old one has bolts and inch bolts are not readely available here. It was no problem to cut new thread so we
> could use mm bolts
> But he is the kind of mechanic that throws all parts around him on the floor resulting in 1 missing nut the holds the house to the frame one missing
> large nut that holds the as compressor ( is that the ugly noise I hear when the engine is running ?) 1 missing shroud bracket and 2brackets we do not
> know where belong
>
> Oh well in the end the engine was running, a bit fast in idle as he did not want to adjust the new Paterson Qjet ( witch is fine , better leave it if
> you do not feel confident)
> The steering wheel was of after he changed the boots( telling me it was easier if I took of the wheel and adjusted that)
> he also gave me the broken exhaust mount to fix and the 2 brackets we do know where go
> I asked him to testdrive it, witch he reclined I should do that- so I took it around the block and it seemed to ride ok a strange sound, but it is a
> different, motor and a differnt carb What do I know.
> Any way I drive the 30 Mls home and am not happy I do not like the noise, it does not pull right and I feel it s a bit on the hot side over 90C
> As I get along she does not change to 3th and I think well maybe we did lose some oil when we changed the lines ( mechanic said before I left that
> was not possible , and mu logic said he was right)
> Then just before I came home I lost 2 as well slowly lugging in to my driveway So I checked the oil and found the stick dry The connection between
> the new oilline and the new cooler was leaking !
> It might all work again when we add oil, but we never know what that has done to my nearly new manny trans ?
> The strange noise may go away when I ad the missing nut on the compressor and add the 2 left over brackets the missing schroud bracket
> The window wipers will work eventualy when all the air gets out
> I can fix the exhaust bracket
> I know somebody who can adjust the carb
>
> But right now I feel like walking away from it
> --
> Appie
> eleganza 76 "Olga" ( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
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> Denmark
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| Re: I am in tears [message #251257 is a reply to message #251251] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 01:00 |
spiffycar
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Appie,
I'm petty sure ( 98% ) that the one on the left is the rear support bracket for the alternator. Not sure on the left one yet but my first guess would be it may be a bracket that was used to stabilize the trans cooler lines. I'll have to look through my old pics from when i repainted all those pieces parts a while back.
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| Re: I am in tears [message #251258 is a reply to message #251257] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 01:45 |
appie
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Rear generator bracket is there and nicely shimmed for that Oh well Just placed my 12" ruler along the beltwheel (word?) and it hits the belt !
Right I found it it is the rear bottom gen bracket part 13 on page 59 of the partsbook Thanks
Yes taking a deep breath would be the thing to do right now, but I have to contact the guy and confront him with at least the gearbox trouble and have him fix the bad oilline connection and hope the tranny still works
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: I am in tears [message #251259 is a reply to message #251258] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 03:02 |
Ken Burton
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I believe the flat bracket goes on front the AC compressor to the front of the engine. My coach is not here for me to run out and look. The other one I have seen but I do not remember where it goes. Someone will hop in here in the morning and know for sure.
If you need inch bolts and nuts, tell me exactly what you need and I'll put them in a first class (air mail) envelope and mail them out to you.
Note: The AC compressor is very close to a body bracket and if the belt is too long it the compressor clutch will hit the body bracket. Also with that AC compressor bracket missing it might be hitting. Look a the clearance on the front of the compressor pulley/clutch to that bracket that runs right next to it.
Ken Burton - N9KB
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| Re: I am in tears [message #251260 is a reply to message #251259] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 03:16 |
Ken Burton
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I'll look for pictures of where the idle adjustment screw is. Describing it's location in words is difficult. In the mean time you might call Dick Paterson in the morning and maybe he can describe it to you. It is 4AM his time right now so maybe call him in about 5 hours or so while I look for pictures. Also when you adjust that screw you have to make sure that the choke is full off. The choke not being fully open keeps the coach in high idle.
Good luck on the trans. Obviously Manny is the one to call on it, but Dick Paterson also does rebuilt GMC transmissions so you might ask him. He will talk to you even if the trans did come from him.
Ken Burton - N9KB
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| Re: I am in tears [message #251261 is a reply to message #251259] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 03:27 |
appie
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Thanks Ken you are absolutely right
Flat bracket ac compressor
3 pointbracket generator
maybe this strange sound goes away when these brackets and the large nut on the ac are fitted?
But wont start the engine before I have gearoil again
And thanks Ken for your offer and I might get back to you if I cant find anything in my boxes
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
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| Re: I am in tears [message #251262 is a reply to message #251251] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 03:29 |
appie
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I know where the idle adjustments are ( bought a qjet book)
Btw Dick says call me any time night or day ! I wont call him in the night time
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
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| Re: I am in tears [message #251263 is a reply to message #251261] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 03:38 |
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I just found the bracket picture on the AC compressor and was going to post where it is in the manual but I see you already found it on your own.
Also there is a spacer that goes under the rear alternator bracket where it mounts to the engine. I'll see if I can find it in the parts book. If you mount the bracket without the spacer,the bracket will pull the alternator out of alignment. Then it will throw the belt off. I'll see if I can find it in the parts manual.
Ken Burton - N9KB
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Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] I am in tears [message #251264 is a reply to message #251262] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 03:35 |
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Am 02.06.2014 10:29, schrieb lenze middelberg:
> I know where the idle adjustments are ( bought a qjet book)
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> Btw Dick says call me any time night or day ! I wont call him in the night time
Yours or his - SCNR
I feel your pain, and hope everything will work out for you.
If you want to stop by at the west coast in Germany on your way south,
you are more than welcome to. Would give my SWMBO a chance to see what
she did not get.Parking lot should be big enough to get you in and out,
and 230V and water is 10m away... FREE INTERNET w/o McD :D
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| Re: I am in tears [message #251265 is a reply to message #251263] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 04:05 |
Ken Burton
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I can not find that alternator bracket in the parts book.
Here is what I remember about the rear alternator bracket. Where the bracket mounts to the engine head there is a stud sticking up and the bracket slips over it. Between the head and the bracket there is suppose to be a 1/2" spacer. If the bracket is missing, there is a good chance the spacer is still on the old engine or lost by now. You can make one out of a stack of washers.
I sure hope that we are talking about the same bracket. I am beginning to think I am talking about the wrong bracket.
Ken B.
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| Re: [GMCnet] I am in tears [message #251266 is a reply to message #251264] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 04:23 |
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Thanks Peer
IFF we get everything working we will be heading firsth to Groningen NL if you are at the Germany Westcoast that would be right on the way Can you be more speciffic ?
Ken We are talking about the LOWER rear bracket I will get to it tomorrow ( do not feel like it at all today ) and get it line up
Does anybody have a picture of the top right shroud bracket? as mine is missing så I know what to look for
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
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| Re: [GMCnet] I am in tears [message #251267 is a reply to message #251266] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 04:28 |
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Appie,
> IFF we get everything working we will be heading firsth to Groningen NL if you are at the Germany Westcoast that would be right on the way Can you be more speciffic ?
We are located 25 minutes off of A23, exit Heide Süd, in a little town
called Sankt Michaelisdonn.
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| Re: [GMCnet] I am in tears [message #251268 is a reply to message #251267] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 04:34 |
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Thanks Peer we´ll decide on that when and iff we leave But that is right on the way to the glückstadt ferry
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
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| Re: [GMCnet] I am in tears [message #251269 is a reply to message #251268] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 04:41 |
Olly Schmidt
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Appie,
> that is right on the way to the glückstadt ferry
Just checked.
Miles wise it is even closer to go through us, than following the
(Google Maps) suggested route over Itzehoe, it seems. Anyway, you've got
my email address. Ping me when you do come.
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| Re: I am in tears [message #251273 is a reply to message #251251] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 07:12 |
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That bottom bracket is the radiator shroud bracket. Without in in place the fan will hit the shroud and make a miserable noise. It bolts on the first bolt of the exhaust manifold, the shroud and the water pump. There is one on both sides of the top of the engine but it looks to be the on on the drivers side
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| Re: I am in tears [message #251283 is a reply to message #251282] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 10:19 |
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Matt Colie wrote on Mon, 02 June 2014 17:12Appie,
In 1959 my parents brought a 190Db home from a visit. It was mu job to keep it running for the next 15 years.
I can only imagine what you are going through.
First - it sounds like you need to find a real mechanic.
Second - If he took things apart and put them back together with the steering wheel off center, you are in for a lot of bad driving. Do not reposition the steering wheel. If it does not agree with the steering box that has got to be fixed.
Third - There is nothing in the engine and transmission that will be hurt by running at 90°C.
Last - It is unclear which cooler line was leaking. If it was the transmission, you are lucky. It has been my experience (I was an automotive test engineer for a long time), that if the transmission looses its fluid, it will typically stop working before parts are actually damaged.
Hope this all works out well for you.
Matt
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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| Re: I am in tears [message #251284 is a reply to message #251283] |
Mon, 02 June 2014 10:24 |
appie
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Thanks Matt
As long as the tranny is ok I can fix everything else It was the lower transline that is leaking at the radiator Both are new
Still confused about the 3 point bracket but I think something got changed about Well that is just bolts and nuts
Tomorrow I will trie to get the oilline tight and refill the tranny, lift the front and see what it does
My feelling is that even if it runs, you never know what dammage is done to my 5000 miles manny trans
With only 30 days til deadline I hoped to finnish of the interior and all the loose ends
Appie
eleganza 76 "Olga" now sadly sold
6 wheel discbrake
Quadrabags
Springfield stage 2 462 olds
Manny tranny
( pictures at http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6489-olga.html
Fulltiming in Europe july 2014 til july 2016
Denmark
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