| [GMCnet] Up date about ZDDP in oil [message #250793] |
Tue, 27 May 2014 22:41  |
BobDunahugh
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I called Shell Motor Oil today about their Rotala engine oil. As of now. That oil still contains 1200 PPM of ZDDP. I was told that some new Federal government standards are expected in 2016. I got the same story from Northland Oil. I have also found out that some oils now that are classified as SL. Don't contain 1200 PPM of ZDDP anymore. So we're good till 2016 in regards to ZDDP.Bob Dunahugh
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| Re: [GMCnet] Up date about ZDDP in oil. E-mail from Shell Oil conferming [message #250821 is a reply to message #250816] |
Wed, 28 May 2014 11:49  |
powerjon
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It should be noted that this level of ZDDP ( 1200 PPM ) is a lower level of what used to be in the oil before the EPA mandated the reduction and elimination. Before the reduction was mandated the oils had anywhere between 1550 to 1675 PPM of ZDDP. I use a Rislone additive. The packaging has changed to a smaller bottle which is now 16 OZ. but the same amount of ZDDP. Just my choice, your may vary.
JR Wright
78 Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion
Michigan
On May 28, 2014, at 11:48 AM, Ken Burton wrote:
> Sure. Send what ever you receive from Shell to me and I'll post it in this thread.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Up date about ZDDP in oil [message #250843 is a reply to message #250837] |
Wed, 28 May 2014 18:19 |
Ken Burton
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BobDunahugh wrote on Wed, 28 May 2014 17:29
I sent the Shell Oil E-mail to Ken to post. Thank you Ken.All types of oils should be change once a year to get the contaminants drained out. Synthetic are great for lots of miles. As that's what they're great at. For me personally. I put about 3,000 a year on our GMC. So synthetics just don't have any advantage for me because I still have to change the oil due to time mostly. With Rotala, and other equivalent oils. They just fit MY schedule great. And no expense of ZDDP additives Thus I'm getting a good job done for $12.50 an oil change. You need to do what fits your driving habits. And I like the idea of getting the garbage out every fall. Bob Dunahugh
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Subject: Up date about ZDDP in oil
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 22:41:52 -0500
I called Shell Motor Oil today about their Rotala engine oil. As of now. That oil still contains 1200 PPM of ZDDP. I was told that some new Federal government standards are expected in 2016. I got the same story from Northland Oil. I have also found out that some oils now that are classified as SL. Don't contain 1200 PPM of ZDDP anymore. So we're good till 2016 in regards to ZDDP.Bob Dunahugh
Is there someone that I can forward this note to for posting to GMCnet. I just came back from the eye doctors and can not read anything right now.
Ken B.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Up date about ZDDP in oil [message #250846 is a reply to message #250843] |
Wed, 28 May 2014 18:30 |
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USAussie
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Ken,
Send it to me!
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Burton
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Up date about ZDDP in oil
BobDunahugh wrote on Wed, 28 May 2014 17:29
> I sent the Shell Oil E-mail to Ken to post. Thank you Ken.All types of oils should be change once a year to get the contaminants
drained out.
> Synthetic are great for lots of miles. As that's what they're great at. For me personally. I put about 3,000 a year on our GMC. So
synthetics just
> don't have any advantage for me because I still have to change the oil due to time mostly. With Rotala, and other equivalent oils.
They just fit MY
> schedule great. And no expense of ZDDP additives Thus I'm getting a good job done for $12.50 an oil change. You need to do what
fits your driving
> habits. And I like the idea of getting the garbage out every fall. Bob Dunahugh
>
> From: yenko108@hotmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Up date about ZDDP in oil
> Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 22:41:52 -0500
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> I called Shell Motor Oil today about their Rotala engine oil. As of now. That oil still contains 1200 PPM of ZDDP. I was told that
some new
> Federal government standards are expected in 2016. I got the same story from Northland Oil. I have also found out that some oils
now that are
> classified as SL. Don't contain 1200 PPM of ZDDP anymore. So we're good till 2016 in regards to ZDDP.Bob Dunahugh
Is there someone that I can forward this note to for posting to GMCnet. I just came back from the eye doctors and can not read
anything right now.
Ken B.
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76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Up date about ZDDP in oil [message #250848 is a reply to message #250846] |
Wed, 28 May 2014 18:59 |
Ken Burton
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USAussie wrote on Wed, 28 May 2014 18:30Ken,
Send it to me!
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
Will DO Rob. Right now I have to enlarge your posting just to read your reply. It is just some medicine and will wear off is a day or so.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Up date about ZDDP in oil [message #250866 is a reply to message #250849] |
Wed, 28 May 2014 22:12 |
Bob de Kruyff
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Ken Burton wrote on Wed, 28 May 2014 18:01Also Rob, I have no idea what is in the attached .pdf file. I can not read it at the moment.
I think it says "don't worry about ZDDP unless you are breaking in a new cam " 
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Up date about ZDDP in oil [message #250882 is a reply to message #250793] |
Wed, 28 May 2014 23:54 |
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WildBill
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We have about 30 gas flat tappet engines left at work. Most are 300/6 fords. We have not had a problem with cams going flat. They get either diesel 15/40 or gas 5/30 oil depending on seasonal temperatures, hours on engines, leakers. These engines would have between 5000 hours with the majority around 14000 hours.
That being said I will drop $6 to $12 worth of additive depending on oil pan capacity in my flat tappet engines every oil change. All my oil that is not burnt goes into the recycling process so not really concerned about the environmental impact being less than probably 1% of the people that add zddp
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| Re: [GMCnet] Up date about ZDDP in oil [message #250900 is a reply to message #250866] |
Thu, 29 May 2014 09:01 |
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USAussie
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Nah,
It says that Rotella T is the slickest oil on the planet; your fuel mileage will go up so much you'll think your engine has turned
into a perpetual motion machine PLUS it will NEVER wear out!
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
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From: Bob de Kruyff
I think it says "don't worry about ZDDP unless you are breaking in a new cam " :roll:
Bob
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Ken Burton wrote on Wed, 28 May 2014 18:01
Also Rob, I have no idea what is in the attached .pdf file. I can not read it at the moment.
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'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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